What's the point of this reply, exactly? I get that you strongly disagree with my strong dislike for iOS7. Replying that nobody cares and claiming that people who disagree with you must have brain damage is just... odd.
That's an excuse in exactly zero ways. Why people think they can talk about a product when they haven't even GONE TO THE WEBSITE ABOUT IT is beyond me.
I could have sworn those are static.
Man, you're just stupid.
They would say that; none of them have used it.
It'll be included in iOS 7, and there's already a dark blue bokeh in shipping iOS'.
Design snobs and the tech press will hate it. The average person who installs it on their phone will love it. And I think developers will love it. They gave it a standing ovation yesterday. Probably because they were more focused on the improved functionality than whether the app icons are ugly or not. :rolleyes:
I think it has potential, at this early beta stage its hard to really come out with any decent judgement as there will be a lot more polish over the next few months.
One thing I hope they come up with is a few more options for widget themes, the light scheme doesn't look as nice on the black iPhone 5 as it did on the white in the keynote, or at a a minimum the opacity could do with coming down a bit more when you have a dark backdrop.
I like a lot of it, I'm a bit "meh" about some of it, and I'm not sure I like the new icons.
Not worth judging it yet though as you know - 1st Beta...
My first observation (and a personal UI pet peeve) is that the design is not consistent about the use of icon labels, and picked the worst place to leave them out. New, casual, or non-computer-savvy users often never use a button because they're not sure what it does.
For example, look below at the control center. What's the crescent moon for? Night display mode? Put the device to sleep? Hard to tell. Is the second icon from the bottom left a timer? That's my first guess, but perhaps it's where you set the display turn-off delay.
Interestingly, they did label the Air Drop and Air Play icons (presumably because most people won't recognize those icons at all). Other windows also have labeled icons. And of course, the icons used on bottom tab menus are labeled. The control center is an aberration.
Okay, I easily identified all the icons in the control centre because I've come across them in the settings. Is it likely that folk will use the control centre shortcut before they have explored the settings of the phone? Secondly, when you press the button, the control centre displays a message to say what just happened. Not sure what it does? Tap it then tap it again. The icons on the bottom are pretty self-explanatory, so why label them? The buttons on the leftmost picture need labelling because the icons won't tell you what the button does.
Design snobs and the tech press will hate it. The average person who installs it on their phone will love it. And I think developers will love it. They gave it a standing ovation yesterday. Probably because they were more focused on the improved functionality than whether the app icons are ugly or not.
Because the icons can be fixed of course. Folk are behaving like this is the golden master or something. If it was then they'd release it now.
Okay, I easily identified all the icons in the control centre because I've come across them in the settings. Is it likely that folk will use the control centre shortcut before they have explored the settings of the phone?
Yep, I know a lot of smartphone owners who haven't looked at each possible setting. Don't you? Plus, as I said, just Google for how many people have asked what the moon icon is.
It's mostly geeks and males who explore their phone in detail, and it takes longer for each new OS version. Heck, I program mobile devices for a living, and I stopped going through each new model's Settings a long time ago. Too many. No time for it any more. Now I Google for what setting I need to change.
It's not just the newbies or the casual users who need labels, either. There are multiple ways in which people recognize something. Everyone is different. Some use position, others the basic shape. Others look for the color or icon or text. A consistent, well designed UI takes every user type into account. Favor none, give affordance to everyone.
Man, the civility level on AppleInsider forums is low even by internet discussion standards. My complaint about the white background wasn't about the home screen but about the apps themselves, such as Mail or Calendar or Messages. I'd be delighted if Apple allows me to customize it to my boring, meaningless life, but somehow I don't think that's forthcoming.
You obviously haven't been on macrumors. This is easily one of the more civil sites.
Even back with iOS 5 I felt the UI Visual was tired. I considered Windows Mobile more modern and applauded the ability to design without copying (one of the few nice things I've ever said about MS). Now I feel that Apple have leap-frogged the competition such that now Apple are again ahead in all areas. My only area of concern relates to contrast/legibility, so hopefully the level of translucency will be user-controllable. I'm very happy feature/functionality wise too
Given the inherent transparecy of the layers legibility, or lack thereof, may be very dependant on what wallpaper is chosen to underlay the screens. Very "busy" images like those bubbles will provide challenges others may not. I've played with that on my current phone with my lockscreen being a complex image I happen to like while the homescreen is underlane with a simpler patterned image.
That's a lot of processor juice to do something you could easily do by looking to the top center of the screen....
Then, we all must believe those parallactic moves --- vital for the iOS operation, I realize --- can happen just because the wall paper is not nailed to the desktop. And our twits will just roll down a slope to make nighttime update "according to user's habits" possible.
I admit, I could care much more to help everyone in a crowd understand my thoughts. Well, sorry, I won't. Don't take it personal.
One more thing...
A guy, which I used to view as a seasoned troll, apes "static". People from everywhere on the Web say "got my hands on, the time on the icon is live". I'm all puzzled.
Well, I'm first in line of believers in the truth that Mr Forstall might have been full of shit and all skeuomorphic evil he did should now be damned and burnt down.
Sadly, I would never know the answer to the question that I've long been asking Apple:
OK, I see what small rounded rectangle icons are to the iPhone. They are just what buttons are to a phone. Got it.
What are small rounded rectangle icons to the iPad?
I know, amusing parallactic moves, which must be turning 3-4 in Android development these days, are much easier to figure out..
Because the icons can be fixed of course. Folk are behaving like this is the golden master or something. If it was then they'd release it now.
I think if people are expecting major redesigns before it ships they'll be disappointed. Apple needs to make sure they ship a product that is as bug free as possible. And with a huge redesign like this there are bound to be a lot of bugs. I take issue with people who haven't used it yet but are already proclaiming it DOA. Or those who did install the beta but only played around with it for a few minutes and saying it sucks. It was risky for Apple to completely redesign something in 6 months but Apple probably felt it was more risky to leave it the same. I look at this as just the beginning and no doubt Jony Ive will learn a lot from this experience and as Apple keeps refining it it will become great. iOS 7 is just the start.
In general, I like the changes. A few of the icons I don't care for, but in general I like all the color and use of white space. Very clean. Very modern. The skeuomorphs in iOS had gotten really old and out-dated, and had essentailly served their purpose. In the beginning it was easy for people to pick up a phone and understand what things were with the skeuomorphisms. But things have changed and the market has matured. Time to move on.
I really do like all the new features, the layers, gestures, the edge-to-edge screen experience, and the enhanced security. In the end, its the total experience (which includes the whole ecosystem) that decides whether or not I'll stick with a product. Apple is giving me plenty of reasons to stay.
It's just so random, every screen is different, no consistency at all. This is bad design pure and simple. And those colors! It's like Vista glass and Android had a weird baby with Windows Phone. It's just shockingly bad.
I really have to disagree with this. Go to the Apple website, iOS 7 intro pages, and 'swipe' through the different collections of screenshots. I found those surprisingly coherent and consistent actually, and with the exception of a few very specialized apps (weather, compass, stocks, et al) they all move within an obvious and specific set of clear design rules.
It's interesting how much the wallpaper effects the look and feel throughout (due to the blur/translucency effect). We'll have a certain amount of control over the end result that way, presumably.
Of course, it will probably come down to taste (and in some cases, depend on how 'reactive' you might be to change in general), but personally until I get hands on with it, I'm withholding final judgement. There's a lot I question, but most of it I find totally acceptable, interesting and even downright likable. Can't wait to get hands on with it, see how it flows with the new changes.
Still no customized home screen. Still no widgets. meh
And if there had been, you'd probably still find something to go "meh" about, no doubt...
I customize my "home screen". Organize it with the apps I want 'up top', folders too, choose my wallpaper… what the hell else would I want to customize? Seriously...
And what's this obsession with widgets anyway? Isn't there 'an app for that'?
Hi Everyone. I was just reading into this criticism of the way iOS7 looks and quite frankly it startles you on a bright background, but on a dark-ish contrast background it does look good. I think the most important subject here to note (like countless friends above me have stated) is that the functionality involved is what matters. Generation long iOS users complained about the simplicity platforms like android brought to their devices why suggestions to Apple fell on deaf ears. Now though, that's different. I think its these vast services and functions that iOS specifically (though late) has finally been straddled with which count for everyday users as a bedrock for decision making. Especially now that "iOS has it", will excite first time buyers and long time users. Hey, this is just an opinion and hope the later Beta versions tone down the colours a tad bit.
Alot of people here are skeptic about it's looks and functions and they have every right to be, especially with Mike Beasley losing his head. Initial pictures looked way to gaudy. But I think with a no. of developer inputs state that it's a pleasant experience we have to get used to. Hope for the best.
I just re-watched the iOS 7 portion of the keynote and I'm really jazzed about the features they added. This is a major feature release. These features are way more important than what an app icon looks like. Too bad people seem to be focusing so much on the app icon designs instead of the great features iOS is finally getting.
Also I'm glad they didn't make a big deal about iTunes radio. I like that they treated it as a nice new feature to the music app rather than some big new service. Again I think Apple is more concerned about users having a great experience than being a pandora killer or whatever.
I'll be curious to see what they saved for the new iPhone release. There has to be some feature they held back to announce with the new phone. Will be interested to see what that is.
right on. for crissakes, no one chooses phones/tablets because of pretty icons. get real! it's about being really useful and really easy to use. what a bunch of web whiners.
new features they would not show yet could be hardware driven. like the rumored fingerprint sensing Home button. Apple has to save at least one big news new feature for the new iPhone launch this Fall, since all these announced iOS 7 features will work on the iPhone 5S and thus won't provide a reason to choose the newest model. under the hood spec bumps aren't enough.
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I am a huge Apple fan, but…
Shut up and go away.
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Originally Posted by djr12
What's the point of this reply, exactly? I get that you strongly disagree with my strong dislike for iOS7. Replying that nobody cares and claiming that people who disagree with you must have brain damage is just... odd.
See the above link.
I think it has potential, at this early beta stage its hard to really come out with any decent judgement as there will be a lot more polish over the next few months.
One thing I hope they come up with is a few more options for widget themes, the light scheme doesn't look as nice on the black iPhone 5 as it did on the white in the keynote, or at a a minimum the opacity could do with coming down a bit more when you have a dark backdrop.
I like a lot of it, I'm a bit "meh" about some of it, and I'm not sure I like the new icons.
Not worth judging it yet though as you know - 1st Beta...
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Originally Posted by KDarling
My first observation (and a personal UI pet peeve) is that the design is not consistent about the use of icon labels, and picked the worst place to leave them out. New, casual, or non-computer-savvy users often never use a button because they're not sure what it does.
For example, look below at the control center. What's the crescent moon for? Night display mode? Put the device to sleep? Hard to tell. Is the second icon from the bottom left a timer? That's my first guess, but perhaps it's where you set the display turn-off delay.
Interestingly, they did label the Air Drop and Air Play icons (presumably because most people won't recognize those icons at all). Other windows also have labeled icons. And of course, the icons used on bottom tab menus are labeled. The control center is an aberration.
Okay, I easily identified all the icons in the control centre because I've come across them in the settings. Is it likely that folk will use the control centre shortcut before they have explored the settings of the phone? Secondly, when you press the button, the control centre displays a message to say what just happened. Not sure what it does? Tap it then tap it again. The icons on the bottom are pretty self-explanatory, so why label them? The buttons on the leftmost picture need labelling because the icons won't tell you what the button does.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Design snobs and the tech press will hate it. The average person who installs it on their phone will love it. And I think developers will love it. They gave it a standing ovation yesterday. Probably because they were more focused on the improved functionality than whether the app icons are ugly or not.
Because the icons can be fixed of course. Folk are behaving like this is the golden master or something. If it was then they'd release it now.
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Originally Posted by Rayz
Okay, I easily identified all the icons in the control centre because I've come across them in the settings. Is it likely that folk will use the control centre shortcut before they have explored the settings of the phone?
Yep, I know a lot of smartphone owners who haven't looked at each possible setting. Don't you? Plus, as I said, just Google for how many people have asked what the moon icon is.
It's mostly geeks and males who explore their phone in detail, and it takes longer for each new OS version. Heck, I program mobile devices for a living, and I stopped going through each new model's Settings a long time ago. Too many. No time for it any more. Now I Google for what setting I need to change.
It's not just the newbies or the casual users who need labels, either. There are multiple ways in which people recognize something. Everyone is different. Some use position, others the basic shape. Others look for the color or icon or text. A consistent, well designed UI takes every user type into account. Favor none, give affordance to everyone.
You obviously haven't been on macrumors. This is easily one of the more civil sites.
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Originally Posted by aderutter
Even back with iOS 5 I felt the UI Visual was tired. I considered Windows Mobile more modern and applauded the ability to design without copying (one of the few nice things I've ever said about MS). Now I feel that Apple have leap-frogged the competition such that now Apple are again ahead in all areas. My only area of concern relates to contrast/legibility, so hopefully the level of translucency will be user-controllable. I'm very happy feature/functionality wise too
Given the inherent transparecy of the layers legibility, or lack thereof, may be very dependant on what wallpaper is chosen to underlay the screens. Very "busy" images like those bubbles will provide challenges others may not. I've played with that on my current phone with my lockscreen being a complex image I happen to like while the homescreen is underlane with a simpler patterned image.
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Originally Posted by saintstryfe
That's a lot of processor juice to do something you could easily do by looking to the top center of the screen....
Then, we all must believe those parallactic moves --- vital for the iOS operation, I realize --- can happen just because the wall paper is not nailed to the desktop. And our twits will just roll down a slope to make nighttime update "according to user's habits" possible.
I admit, I could care much more to help everyone in a crowd understand my thoughts. Well, sorry, I won't. Don't take it personal.
One more thing...
A guy, which I used to view as a seasoned troll, apes "static". People from everywhere on the Web say "got my hands on, the time on the icon is live". I'm all puzzled.
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Originally Posted by blackbook
The most glaring thing I see is the new "Slide to Unlock" that doesn't include an image of a slider. To new users it doesn't make any sense.
You know, I was thinking about this and wondering if maybe it gives you a little message the first time you start it up, telling you what to do?
Well, I'm first in line of believers in the truth that Mr Forstall might have been full of shit and all skeuomorphic evil he did should now be damned and burnt down.
Sadly, I would never know the answer to the question that I've long been asking Apple:
OK, I see what small rounded rectangle icons are to the iPhone. They are just what buttons are to a phone. Got it.
What are small rounded rectangle icons to the iPad?
I know, amusing parallactic moves, which must be turning 3-4 in Android development these days, are much easier to figure out..
In general, I like the changes. A few of the icons I don't care for, but in general I like all the color and use of white space. Very clean. Very modern. The skeuomorphs in iOS had gotten really old and out-dated, and had essentailly served their purpose. In the beginning it was easy for people to pick up a phone and understand what things were with the skeuomorphisms. But things have changed and the market has matured. Time to move on.
I really do like all the new features, the layers, gestures, the edge-to-edge screen experience, and the enhanced security. In the end, its the total experience (which includes the whole ecosystem) that decides whether or not I'll stick with a product. Apple is giving me plenty of reasons to stay.
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Originally Posted by garbage
It's just so random, every screen is different, no consistency at all. This is bad design pure and simple. And those colors! It's like Vista glass and Android had a weird baby with Windows Phone. It's just shockingly bad.
I really have to disagree with this. Go to the Apple website, iOS 7 intro pages, and 'swipe' through the different collections of screenshots. I found those surprisingly coherent and consistent actually, and with the exception of a few very specialized apps (weather, compass, stocks, et al) they all move within an obvious and specific set of clear design rules.
It's interesting how much the wallpaper effects the look and feel throughout (due to the blur/translucency effect). We'll have a certain amount of control over the end result that way, presumably.
Of course, it will probably come down to taste (and in some cases, depend on how 'reactive' you might be to change in general), but personally until I get hands on with it, I'm withholding final judgement. There's a lot I question, but most of it I find totally acceptable, interesting and even downright likable. Can't wait to get hands on with it, see how it flows with the new changes.
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Originally Posted by Davidgr
Still no customized home screen. Still no widgets. meh
And if there had been, you'd probably still find something to go "meh" about, no doubt...
I customize my "home screen". Organize it with the apps I want 'up top', folders too, choose my wallpaper… what the hell else would I want to customize? Seriously...
And what's this obsession with widgets anyway? Isn't there 'an app for that'?
Perhaps he got his tentacles in a knot.
Hi Everyone. I was just reading into this criticism of the way iOS7 looks and quite frankly it startles you on a bright background, but on a dark-ish contrast background it does look good. I think the most important subject here to note (like countless friends above me have stated) is that the functionality involved is what matters. Generation long iOS users complained about the simplicity platforms like android brought to their devices why suggestions to Apple fell on deaf ears. Now though, that's different. I think its these vast services and functions that iOS specifically (though late) has finally been straddled with which count for everyday users as a bedrock for decision making. Especially now that "iOS has it", will excite first time buyers and long time users. Hey, this is just an opinion and hope the later Beta versions tone down the colours a tad bit.
Alot of people here are skeptic about it's looks and functions and they have every right to be, especially with Mike Beasley losing his head. Initial pictures looked way to gaudy. But I think with a no. of developer inputs state that it's a pleasant experience we have to get used to. Hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I just re-watched the iOS 7 portion of the keynote and I'm really jazzed about the features they added. This is a major feature release. These features are way more important than what an app icon looks like. Too bad people seem to be focusing so much on the app icon designs instead of the great features iOS is finally getting.
Also I'm glad they didn't make a big deal about iTunes radio. I like that they treated it as a nice new feature to the music app rather than some big new service. Again I think Apple is more concerned about users having a great experience than being a pandora killer or whatever.
I'll be curious to see what they saved for the new iPhone release. There has to be some feature they held back to announce with the new phone. Will be interested to see what that is.
right on. for crissakes, no one chooses phones/tablets because of pretty icons. get real! it's about being really useful and really easy to use. what a bunch of web whiners.
new features they would not show yet could be hardware driven. like the rumored fingerprint sensing Home button. Apple has to save at least one big news new feature for the new iPhone launch this Fall, since all these announced iOS 7 features will work on the iPhone 5S and thus won't provide a reason to choose the newest model. under the hood spec bumps aren't enough.
What is this?
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ios/22316/ios-7-awful-not-awesome-its-apples-ugly-baby-itbwcw?source=cwfb