Unless I'm mistaken, the iPhone 5 antennas are external; the piece of aluminium around the top, and the piece around the bottom are the antennas.. The iPod Touch could not use this system without significant engineering, because its chassis is currently a single unibody piece.
Not so sure about that, I think the antennas are located behind those two glass panels on the top and bottom of the iPhone 5's back panel, otherwise why would they be there? The design would be more aesthetically pleasing without them.
Not so sure about that, I think the antennas are located behind those two glass panels on the top and bottom of the iPhone 5's back panel, otherwise why would they be there? The design would be more aesthetically pleasing without them.
Crowley is right. The top and bottom parts of the iPhone 5 casing are cell antennas, and other antennas (Wifi, BT etc.) are found behind the little glass windows.
Note: the image below was a mockup made from leaked parts before the iPhone 5 was unveiled, but they are accurate.
This is just an absolutely nonsense thing to say. Pretty much *all* of Apples products for years have been made for more than "just the USA." Apple is a global company and sells their entire product line around the world. More than half of their sales come from outside the USA and have for a long time.
I also find it pretty offensive the way you phrase it. As if the markets outside the USA are somehow quintessentially different. I mean WTF?
The consumers in the rest of North America and the UK for starters are basically exactly the same kind of consumers as those in the USA. Do you somehow believe that outside of the borders of the USA everyone else is somehow different? Monkeys perhaps? Maybe they need different products because they ride to work on elephants? Take a look at the list of languages Apple supports on their products sometime.
Do you really fucking believe that other than a bit of poverty, the people who live and work in Indonesia are somehow totally different from you? Are you unaware that even though some do live in poverty, millions of people also live in places like Africa, Indonesia, Asia, etc. that drive BMW's to work and live in suburban houses that are indistinguishable from your own? Did it never occur to you that there are a great many poor, dumb hicks in Missouri that have a lower standard of living, education, (and morals) than many people in the "developing" world?
You need to get out more. There is some seriously racist crap flowing between the lines of everything you say here. Up yours.
Hypocrisy, ignorance and personal attacks - are those your favoured tools in any discussion, or should I consider myself special that you were dressed in your Sunday best with me? You know nothing whatsoever about me, you rail against my alleged offences (which were caused by *your* misunderstanding and misinterpreting what I said, assuming something totally wrong and attacking me personally based on those false assumptions) and then proceed to commit offences of your own. But I suppose it's the best way to avoid the question I asked?
Since you misunderstood what was being asked I'll rephrase: when has Apple ever created a product that is aimed primarily at a country that isn't the US? That isn't offensive, it's a question, and from my knowledge of Apple and having been a user of its products for over 30 years, there is no product that they have produced (to my knowledge) that is primarily aimed at markets other than the US. Apple's primary market is the US, the fact they localise (I understand the concept having worked on various localisation projects in my career for both hardware and software companies over 20 years, having worked in multiple countries in said career, having held country, region, continent and globally based responsibilities in that career, having studied more than 1 more than 2 more than 3 languages in my life, the concept isn't foreign to me, but thanks for the patronising lesson).
The rest of your ignorant and utterly offensive rant (which positions you conveniently as the superior non-racist, like the two white men in a room of southern black men where one of the white men yells, "stop calling all these men niggers, you know I hate that term" sort of juvenile tactic employed to get the shit beaten out of me while you silently escape the scene) assumes a lot of negativity I can't even begin to understand how you interpreted from my few words, but you did, and for that I'll give you some credit for having quite an imagination (though why it has to lean that way, instead of assuming I meant none of what you said, is something that is really wrong about life in general). If you really thought I was saying those horrible things, you should have confirmed that's what I meant with my words *first*, but it's always easier to go off half-cocked and rest assured in one's arrogance afterwards that you were right and no questions were required before shooting that unarmed person. Or perhaps you were merely looking for a fight where you could throw a bunch of rhetoric and false accusations around and then claim victory?
On the topic of a cheap iPhone, you and many others here and on other blogs I frequent have all asserted that any new cheaper iPhone will be aimed at "emerging markets" - the Indonesian truck driver, that was *your* fucking example. My point was that I think companies that produce a product merely to extract profit from a market are profit grubbing companies of the worst sort, and that's not what Apple is. Apple produces products that people love. Their primary market is the US, that is not in dispute, is it? Localisation aside, that is not seriously in dispute, is it? I'm not saying they shouldn't produce a product for an Indonesian truck driver (again, your example, though, why you pick that example smacks hugely of baiting a fight), but that's not their history, there is no precedent, but why people think this phone will be targeted to this poor truck driver is nothing that makes any sense whatsoever. I ask why you think this, and your response is nonsense wrapped in offence. Answer the question if you want to discuss, or not, but don't ever attack me again.
None of what I said should have been misinterpreted in the way you did - there was nothing that referred to poverty or localisation or the plight of the poor. Again, you know nothing of me, my situation in life, my travels, my income level, my education, my political leanings, but you ran right to the area that allowed you to rant and claim some moral high ground, and you did so in the most offensive ways with personal attacks, which I find hugely ironic and utterly hypocritical. If I "need to get out more" (to quote you), my suggestion and most desirous wish is that people with your attitude should do the exact fucking opposite by staying in more and making even more babies with their sisters and cousins. Up mine? I won't respond in kind because I don't engage in ad hominem attacks - they tend to kill discussion, which for some are useful when you are unable to discuss substantively.
If this product is real (regardless whether the current spate of images are real or not), the new iPhone will not be a cheaper iPhone targeted at off contract markets and segments, it will not be featuring price as its differentiating factor (neither will it be build materials or internal technologies or components), it'll be more fundamental than that, because that's what Apple does, they understand and are experts in product strategy, product positioning and product differentiation. It'll be as different from the iPhone as the Mac Pro is different from the iMac, as different as the iPod nano is from the iPod Classic. Apple understands how to create products and sell them into different markets, they don't do it based on region, and they don't ever do it based on price as the number one factor that differentiates the product from the rest of the family. If you think that's a racist attitude being expressed, I'll leave in place the ignorant label I attached to your earlier offensive rant(s).
I don't care who you are come back; phablets are a nicher device than even the xMac. That can't be argued.
Now I wouldn't buy one, but you're presenting your opinion as indisputable fact, ts.
Samsung has sold north of 10 million Galaxy Notes and 5 million Note IIs, and those numbers are from the back half of 2012.
Since the first generation of the Note came out in late 2011, that means they sold around 15 million Notes of both generations in roughly a year.
That happens to be about the same as the total sales of Macs of all kinds in a year, recently (about 4 million/quarter).
So unless Macs of all kinds are a niche device, the Note's been pretty successful.
And the Note isn't even the only phablet, though it's no doubt the most successful one.
(All the numbers are from Wikipedia, and they all have sources there. If there have been massive writedowns by retailers on Notes, I haven't heard about it.)
Whether this video shows a real iPhone Lite case or not, it's a rather clever marketing ploy for their own Android device. Almost clever enough to make up for the name Basic Bear.
No plastic iPhone Lite/Budget/Cheapo. I think Apple is pretty done with polycarbonate for anything other than some accessories.
iPod touch pricing and features (color options and cameras) remain the same. I think Apple settled on these configs in advance of the iPhone "Lite" rollout:
iPod Touch 16 GB $229 (no iSight camera; limited to 16GB storage; "previous-gen" A series chip)
iPod Touch 32 GB $299 (FaceTime and iSight cameras, and 32 and 64 GB flavors; "previous-gen" A series chip)
iPod Touch 64 GB $399 (FaceTime and iSight cameras, and 32 and 64 GB flavors; "previous-gen" A series chip)
iPhone "Lite" leverages ipod Touch components and chassis, rather that the previous-gen iPhone components and chassis
iPhone Lite 16 GB $399 (iPod touch colors; iPod Touch chassis; iPod Touch's iSight and FaceTime cameras; "previous-gen" A series chip; not available with subsidy, only direct from Apple)
iPhone latest-gen iPhone (5S/6/Whatever) gets a $50 price drop across the board; no color options (only black and white styles) and uses the most advanced hardware:
iPhone 5S 32 GB $599 (the very latest of all components; subsidized or unlocked)
iPhone 5S 64 GB $699 (the very latest of all components; subsidized or unlocked)
iPhone 5S 128 GB $799 (the very latest of all components; subsidized or unlocked)
In this scenario, Apple's economy of scale advantages are maintained by carrying over components from the current generation iPod Touch line rather than the prior iPhone (4/4S/5) line. This also will allow Apple to sell more of their iPhones themselves (from the online or retail stores) and not via carriers and third-party retailers. Lastly, data for the iPhone Lite will be sold exactly the way it is sold for iPads. The exception, of course, is that voice data will continue to be disallowed on iPad.
iOS has never used an iSight camera. The latest 16 GB iPod Touch has a front side FaceTime camera.
iOS has never used an iSight camera. The latest 16 GB iPod Touch has a front side FaceTime camera.
iOS has never used an iSight camera? Damn, someone please alert Phil Schiller. How dare he mention iSight that he introduced iPhone 5 last year! While you're at it, please tell Apple their website is wrong.
Is this due to the fact you're having trouble understanding the specifications listed?
It is due to the fact that I find the obsession with hardware specs really funny. Perhaps you've heard of this thing called humor? Do they have that on Planet Fandroid, or is everyone there just bitter about Apple all the time?
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Originally Posted by Crowley
Unless I'm mistaken, the iPhone 5 antennas are external; the piece of aluminium around the top, and the piece around the bottom are the antennas.. The iPod Touch could not use this system without significant engineering, because its chassis is currently a single unibody piece.
Not so sure about that, I think the antennas are located behind those two glass panels on the top and bottom of the iPhone 5's back panel, otherwise why would they be there? The design would be more aesthetically pleasing without them.
There are ways to hide the antenna.
Take for example the ASUS Padfone Infinity. It uses an aluminium unibody:
As you can see, towards the rear base of the device is a discreet break to allow for the antenna and NFC.
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Originally Posted by 1983
Not so sure about that, I think the antennas are located behind those two glass panels on the top and bottom of the iPhone 5's back panel, otherwise why would they be there? The design would be more aesthetically pleasing without them.
Crowley is right. The top and bottom parts of the iPhone 5 casing are cell antennas, and other antennas (Wifi, BT etc.) are found behind the little glass windows.
Note: the image below was a mockup made from leaked parts before the iPhone 5 was unveiled, but they are accurate.
A stupid name, describing perfectly a stupid device.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This is just an absolutely nonsense thing to say. Pretty much *all* of Apples products for years have been made for more than "just the USA." Apple is a global company and sells their entire product line around the world. More than half of their sales come from outside the USA and have for a long time.
I also find it pretty offensive the way you phrase it. As if the markets outside the USA are somehow quintessentially different. I mean WTF?
The consumers in the rest of North America and the UK for starters are basically exactly the same kind of consumers as those in the USA. Do you somehow believe that outside of the borders of the USA everyone else is somehow different? Monkeys perhaps? Maybe they need different products because they ride to work on elephants? Take a look at the list of languages Apple supports on their products sometime.
Do you really fucking believe that other than a bit of poverty, the people who live and work in Indonesia are somehow totally different from you? Are you unaware that even though some do live in poverty, millions of people also live in places like Africa, Indonesia, Asia, etc. that drive BMW's to work and live in suburban houses that are indistinguishable from your own? Did it never occur to you that there are a great many poor, dumb hicks in Missouri that have a lower standard of living, education, (and morals) than many people in the "developing" world?
You need to get out more. There is some seriously racist crap flowing between the lines of everything you say here. Up yours.
Hypocrisy, ignorance and personal attacks - are those your favoured tools in any discussion, or should I consider myself special that you were dressed in your Sunday best with me? You know nothing whatsoever about me, you rail against my alleged offences (which were caused by *your* misunderstanding and misinterpreting what I said, assuming something totally wrong and attacking me personally based on those false assumptions) and then proceed to commit offences of your own. But I suppose it's the best way to avoid the question I asked?
Since you misunderstood what was being asked I'll rephrase: when has Apple ever created a product that is aimed primarily at a country that isn't the US? That isn't offensive, it's a question, and from my knowledge of Apple and having been a user of its products for over 30 years, there is no product that they have produced (to my knowledge) that is primarily aimed at markets other than the US. Apple's primary market is the US, the fact they localise (I understand the concept having worked on various localisation projects in my career for both hardware and software companies over 20 years, having worked in multiple countries in said career, having held country, region, continent and globally based responsibilities in that career, having studied more than 1 more than 2 more than 3 languages in my life, the concept isn't foreign to me, but thanks for the patronising lesson).
The rest of your ignorant and utterly offensive rant (which positions you conveniently as the superior non-racist, like the two white men in a room of southern black men where one of the white men yells, "stop calling all these men niggers, you know I hate that term" sort of juvenile tactic employed to get the shit beaten out of me while you silently escape the scene) assumes a lot of negativity I can't even begin to understand how you interpreted from my few words, but you did, and for that I'll give you some credit for having quite an imagination (though why it has to lean that way, instead of assuming I meant none of what you said, is something that is really wrong about life in general). If you really thought I was saying those horrible things, you should have confirmed that's what I meant with my words *first*, but it's always easier to go off half-cocked and rest assured in one's arrogance afterwards that you were right and no questions were required before shooting that unarmed person. Or perhaps you were merely looking for a fight where you could throw a bunch of rhetoric and false accusations around and then claim victory?
On the topic of a cheap iPhone, you and many others here and on other blogs I frequent have all asserted that any new cheaper iPhone will be aimed at "emerging markets" - the Indonesian truck driver, that was *your* fucking example. My point was that I think companies that produce a product merely to extract profit from a market are profit grubbing companies of the worst sort, and that's not what Apple is. Apple produces products that people love. Their primary market is the US, that is not in dispute, is it? Localisation aside, that is not seriously in dispute, is it? I'm not saying they shouldn't produce a product for an Indonesian truck driver (again, your example, though, why you pick that example smacks hugely of baiting a fight), but that's not their history, there is no precedent, but why people think this phone will be targeted to this poor truck driver is nothing that makes any sense whatsoever. I ask why you think this, and your response is nonsense wrapped in offence. Answer the question if you want to discuss, or not, but don't ever attack me again.
None of what I said should have been misinterpreted in the way you did - there was nothing that referred to poverty or localisation or the plight of the poor. Again, you know nothing of me, my situation in life, my travels, my income level, my education, my political leanings, but you ran right to the area that allowed you to rant and claim some moral high ground, and you did so in the most offensive ways with personal attacks, which I find hugely ironic and utterly hypocritical. If I "need to get out more" (to quote you), my suggestion and most desirous wish is that people with your attitude should do the exact fucking opposite by staying in more and making even more babies with their sisters and cousins. Up mine? I won't respond in kind because I don't engage in ad hominem attacks - they tend to kill discussion, which for some are useful when you are unable to discuss substantively.
If this product is real (regardless whether the current spate of images are real or not), the new iPhone will not be a cheaper iPhone targeted at off contract markets and segments, it will not be featuring price as its differentiating factor (neither will it be build materials or internal technologies or components), it'll be more fundamental than that, because that's what Apple does, they understand and are experts in product strategy, product positioning and product differentiation. It'll be as different from the iPhone as the Mac Pro is different from the iMac, as different as the iPod nano is from the iPod Classic. Apple understands how to create products and sell them into different markets, they don't do it based on region, and they don't ever do it based on price as the number one factor that differentiates the product from the rest of the family. If you think that's a racist attitude being expressed, I'll leave in place the ignorant label I attached to your earlier offensive rant(s).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
A stupid name, describing perfectly a stupid device.
I had a feeling there would be a few 'bad apples', it would appear you're one of them.
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Originally Posted by InsiderUser99
On a side note. For $199 the Basic Bear offers a lot of value. Not to mention the fact it outperforms the iPhone 5.
Snapdragon 600 @1.7GHz (complete OpenGL ES 3.0 support)
2GB RAM
4inch 1136x640 IPS display
Android 4.2 Jelly Bean (stock)
HSPA+ 42
16GB internal storage
etc.
Whenever I see specs posted by Android users, it just translates into:
Flaccid Length: @2.2 inches
Erect Length: 4.5 inches
Girth: 1.78 inches
Android 4.2 KY Jelly (stock)
Touch-sensitive surface area: 30 sq. inches
Max deflection angle: 57 degrees (in 1.0G acceleration field)
etc.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Whenever I see specs posted by Android users, it just translates into:
Flaccid Length: @2.2 inches
Erect Length: 4.5 inches
Girth: 1.78 inches
Android 4.2 KY Jelly (stock)
Touch-sensitive surface area: 30 sq. inches
Max deflection angle: 57 degrees (in 1.0G acceleration field)
etc.
Is this due to the fact you're having trouble understanding the specifications listed?
I don't care who you are come back; phablets are a nicher device than even the xMac. That can't be argued.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I don't care who you are come back; phablets are a nicher device than even the xMac. That can't be argued.
Now I wouldn't buy one, but you're presenting your opinion as indisputable fact, ts.
Samsung has sold north of 10 million Galaxy Notes and 5 million Note IIs, and those numbers are from the back half of 2012.
Since the first generation of the Note came out in late 2011, that means they sold around 15 million Notes of both generations in roughly a year.
That happens to be about the same as the total sales of Macs of all kinds in a year, recently (about 4 million/quarter).
So unless Macs of all kinds are a niche device, the Note's been pretty successful.
And the Note isn't even the only phablet, though it's no doubt the most successful one.
(All the numbers are from Wikipedia, and they all have sources there. If there have been massive writedowns by retailers on Notes, I haven't heard about it.)
If I may add, the ASUS Padfone Infinity is not actually a phablet.
It is a standard 5inch smartphone that happens to have a tablet dock accessory.
Whether this video shows a real iPhone Lite case or not, it's a rather clever marketing ploy for their own Android device. Almost clever enough to make up for the name Basic Bear.
iOS has never used an iSight camera. The latest 16 GB iPod Touch has a front side FaceTime camera.
Different name for the same thing. Come on.
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Originally Posted by beardbuster
iOS has never used an iSight camera. The latest 16 GB iPod Touch has a front side FaceTime camera.
iOS has never used an iSight camera? Damn, someone please alert Phil Schiller. How dare he mention iSight that he introduced iPhone 5 last year! While you're at it, please tell Apple their website is wrong.
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Originally Posted by InsiderUser99
Is this due to the fact you're having trouble understanding the specifications listed?
It is due to the fact that I find the obsession with hardware specs really funny. Perhaps you've heard of this thing called humor? Do they have that on Planet Fandroid, or is everyone there just bitter about Apple all the time?