Hey… Still using that faulty NAND, are you Google? There's a reason this is $100 less.
The NAND in the Nexus 7 is not, and never was, faulty. Try actually reading up on a subject, rather than repeating the same incorrect information over and over again. Anyway, since you no doubt will not bother - the issue is a driver one which meant that TRIM commands were not properly being issued to clear unused sectors in the NAND. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple use virtually the same NAND chips in the iPad.
Most of the price differential is likely explained by the *very* different profit margins of the two devices.
What are the other specs of this screen? Is it a pentile resolution? OLED? Again Google wants to take one aspect of a screen and make it sound like it is better than an iPad because it has more pixels. More isn't always better!! What is the supposed battery life on this turd of a tablet?
Apples and oranges. I bought my iPad and my iPhone but at certain times you might let someone use it for a very brief time, even for a few minutes. Sometimes with your permission and sometimes without. For anyone with wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends, or other snooping people that you would prefer not to have full access to your iPhone or iPad I am sure you will understand where I am coming from.
Not to mention the ability to prevent kids from racking up big bills on in-app or other types of purchases by being able to limit that secondary account.
By your logic every family member should have their own Mac and they should disable multiple accounts in OS X.
You realize that you are trying to heap layers of complexity on a tablet and make it into a PC right? Tablets are supposed to be mobile single user devices to avoid the complexity of being a PC!!!
What are the other specs of this screen? Is it a pentile resolution? OLED? Again Google wants to take one aspect of a screen and make it sound like it is better than an iPad because it has more pixels. More isn't always better!! What is the supposed battery life on this turd of a tablet?
"Google also showed off the newest build of its Android operating system, version 4.3. Still under the Jelly Bean moniker, version 4.3 brings multi-user restricted profiles, allowing users to set parental controls governing how other profiles can access in-app purchases. It also brings Bluetooth Smart integration, allowing devices running 4.3 to interface with low-energy, wearable devices."
This I think is the most interesting point of the article. For families that share an iPad or even if you occasionally let a friend borrow it for a few minutes this would be an awesome feature to include in iOS 7 and I am surprised it wasn't announced. Even on the iPhone it would be nice to have an admin account and a guest account that doesn't show texts, emails, call history.
I think a "Guest Mode" would be nice (with access to Web and select apps), but Apple won't add multiple users. They want an iPad for everyone.
My son and daughter both have first gen Nexus 7's. They get a lot of use every day and are still going strong a year later. It's not a bad tablet for the price.
You realize that you are trying to heap layers of complexity on a tablet and make it into a PC right? Tablets are supposed to be mobile single user devices to avoid the complexity of being a PC!!!
What complexity? How hard would it to have an app or setting to allow you to switch to another account? That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock. In fact it could be on the passcode lock screen. SImply place an icon for 2 accounts on that screen and choose the account you want to access and enter your passcode. Does that sound complex to you?
It's funny that their 16:10 ratio is normally aesthetically pleasing (very close to the golden rectangle), yet as a tablet seems very odd and narrow. The 4:3 on the iPad just works so much better.
A few months ago, I wanted to buy a Nexus 7, but then I read a couple of stories about the tablet slowing down after a few months of use -- expecially after installing a specific Android update. A searched some more, and it now seems widespread. Strange that this doesn't get any attention.
Is it Android that causes the slowdowns, or is it bad memory that is used, or maybe no garbage collection?
Nexus 7 and the new one seem like a dream on paper, in specs and price, but if it is shoddy down the road, is it worth it?
Not yet. But I don't think it will be far off, Android 4.3 is really optimized, that is why Moto X and the recently released Droids have such great battery life. I look forward to watching the reviews.
Personally I want a retina mini. But I could consider one of these for my kids. Reasonably priced.
Edit to add: the hours I quoted are from googles presentation.
What complexity? How hard would it to have an app or setting to allow you to switch to another account? That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock. In fact it could be on the passcode lock screen. SImply place an icon for 2 accounts on that screen and choose the account you want to access and enter your passcode. Does that sound complex to you?
So draw a box on the login screen for another user and voila! Done!
Consider how to restrict or grant access to data/apps on the same device between users? Or can you when you switch, do you actually logout and shutdown or suspend programs or keep them running in the background? How do you determine who gets what storage space? It's certainly not a simple thing to do.
Ah ah, my N7, and the N7 of thousands of people are still working perfectly fine
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Is it Android that causes the slowdowns, or is it bad memory that is used, or maybe no garbage collection?
That.
Android, just installed, it's fast, works fine. After installed apps and apps and apps, well.. Cache will get bigger, will slow down a bit. Fix is just a bit of cleaning
And chrome for android, until recently, was a resource sucker.
The hardware can easily handle it, the Adreno 320 is faster then Power SGX 543 found in the iPhone 5. The lag is probably in Android itself, Qualcomm chip users found that by modifying the GPU conf to reflect this,"ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70" greatly increases the speed of the games and overall smoothness of the GUI. That being said, which videos have you seen, the ones I've seen so far showed no such lag.
Hmm, I'm not sure I'd be so quick in saying that the hardware can handle it as easily, and at least I am of the opinion of having "seen" otherwise.
Note, that even the rMBP has trouble pushing as many pixels around at this resolution and those have much more powerful chips, especially the dedicated ones.
Certainly you're right in saying that Android in itself might be responsible for a good part of that and that's certainly true. It becomes obvious when seeing that games run so much better than anything running on top of Dalvik, but then again, this is long known and a problem based on poor technological choice noone can reverse now. I am convinced apps won't be a pleasure on this device.
Have a look at the Google presentation video, you'll notice many instances during the presentation where they were trying very hard to scroll as little and as slowly as possible and especially trying to avoid any kind of momentum scrolling, since this would obviously slow things down even more because of the repeated delta calculations resulting in more dropped frames.
Also take a look at early hands on videos, such as at the Verge, where you can see how low the frame rate drops when trying to rotate Google Maps in 3D mode. And note this is running on top of OpenGL. This is especially curious, since Google Maps seems to run much better on top of iOS, than on even highend Android devices. I blame this not only on the underlying system, but also at the combination with constantly increasing resolutions and the push towards 1080p even in Android phones these days.
Who is doing customer support for these 'Google' devices? If it is not Google then Google is just a front for some unknown manufacturers. Just like the Windows PCs that have nothing to do with Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Hey… Still using that faulty NAND, are you Google? There's a reason this is $100 less.
The NAND in the Nexus 7 is not, and never was, faulty. Try actually reading up on a subject, rather than repeating the same incorrect information over and over again. Anyway, since you no doubt will not bother - the issue is a driver one which meant that TRIM commands were not properly being issued to clear unused sectors in the NAND. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple use virtually the same NAND chips in the iPad.
Most of the price differential is likely explained by the *very* different profit margins of the two devices.
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Originally Posted by poksi
Apple wants you to buy device, not borrow. Apple sees those devices as private, not just personal.
Apparently their customers see them differently:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/22/apple-refunds-6131-itunes-bill-for-8-year-olds-unauthorized-in-app-purchases
What are the other specs of this screen? Is it a pentile resolution? OLED? Again Google wants to take one aspect of a screen and make it sound like it is better than an iPad because it has more pixels. More isn't always better!! What is the supposed battery life on this turd of a tablet?
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Originally Posted by gwmac
Apples and oranges. I bought my iPad and my iPhone but at certain times you might let someone use it for a very brief time, even for a few minutes. Sometimes with your permission and sometimes without. For anyone with wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends, or other snooping people that you would prefer not to have full access to your iPhone or iPad I am sure you will understand where I am coming from.
Not to mention the ability to prevent kids from racking up big bills on in-app or other types of purchases by being able to limit that secondary account.
By your logic every family member should have their own Mac and they should disable multiple accounts in OS X.
You realize that you are trying to heap layers of complexity on a tablet and make it into a PC right? Tablets are supposed to be mobile single user devices to avoid the complexity of being a PC!!!
9 hours playback, 10 hours web.
Some turd, huh?
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Originally Posted by gwmac
"Google also showed off the newest build of its Android operating system, version 4.3. Still under the Jelly Bean moniker, version 4.3 brings multi-user restricted profiles, allowing users to set parental controls governing how other profiles can access in-app purchases. It also brings Bluetooth Smart integration, allowing devices running 4.3 to interface with low-energy, wearable devices."
This I think is the most interesting point of the article. For families that share an iPad or even if you occasionally let a friend borrow it for a few minutes this would be an awesome feature to include in iOS 7 and I am surprised it wasn't announced. Even on the iPhone it would be nice to have an admin account and a guest account that doesn't show texts, emails, call history.
I think a "Guest Mode" would be nice (with access to Web and select apps), but Apple won't add multiple users. They want an iPad for everyone.
My son and daughter both have first gen Nexus 7's. They get a lot of use every day and are still going strong a year later. It's not a bad tablet for the price.
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Originally Posted by AppleTechSpot
You realize that you are trying to heap layers of complexity on a tablet and make it into a PC right? Tablets are supposed to be mobile single user devices to avoid the complexity of being a PC!!!
What complexity? How hard would it to have an app or setting to allow you to switch to another account? That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock. In fact it could be on the passcode lock screen. SImply place an icon for 2 accounts on that screen and choose the account you want to access and enter your passcode. Does that sound complex to you?
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Originally Posted by LAKings33
1920x1200 is 16:10
1920x1080 is 16:9
1280x800 is 16:10
1280x720 is 16:9
It's funny that their 16:10 ratio is normally aesthetically pleasing (very close to the golden rectangle), yet as a tablet seems very odd and narrow. The 4:3 on the iPad just works so much better.
Strange.
The thick bezel doesn't help either.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
I think a "Guest Mode" would be nice (with access to Web and select apps), but Apple won't add multiple users. They want an iPad for everyone.
A guest account on my iPhone would have saved me a lot of fights over the years with some things I would have preferred to remain for my eyes only.
A few months ago, I wanted to buy a Nexus 7, but then I read a couple of stories about the tablet slowing down after a few months of use -- expecially after installing a specific Android update. A searched some more, and it now seems widespread. Strange that this doesn't get any attention.
Is it Android that causes the slowdowns, or is it bad memory that is used, or maybe no garbage collection?
Nexus 7 and the new one seem like a dream on paper, in specs and price, but if it is shoddy down the road, is it worth it?
Not yet. But I don't think it will be far off, Android 4.3 is really optimized, that is why Moto X and the recently released Droids have such great battery life. I look forward to watching the reviews.
Personally I want a retina mini. But I could consider one of these for my kids. Reasonably priced.
Edit to add: the hours I quoted are from googles presentation.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
What complexity? How hard would it to have an app or setting to allow you to switch to another account? That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock. In fact it could be on the passcode lock screen. SImply place an icon for 2 accounts on that screen and choose the account you want to access and enter your passcode. Does that sound complex to you?
So draw a box on the login screen for another user and voila! Done!
Consider how to restrict or grant access to data/apps on the same device between users? Or can you when you switch, do you actually logout and shutdown or suspend programs or keep them running in the background? How do you determine who gets what storage space? It's certainly not a simple thing to do.
Faulty NAND ?
Ah ah, my N7, and the N7 of thousands of people are still working perfectly fine
Quote:
Is it Android that causes the slowdowns, or is it bad memory that is used, or maybe no garbage collection?
That.
Android, just installed, it's fast, works fine. After installed apps and apps and apps, well.. Cache will get bigger, will slow down a bit. Fix is just a bit of cleaning
And chrome for android, until recently, was a resource sucker.
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Originally Posted by Relic
The hardware can easily handle it, the Adreno 320 is faster then Power SGX 543 found in the iPhone 5. The lag is probably in Android itself, Qualcomm chip users found that by modifying the GPU conf to reflect this,"ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70" greatly increases the speed of the games and overall smoothness of the GUI. That being said, which videos have you seen, the ones I've seen so far showed no such lag.
Hmm, I'm not sure I'd be so quick in saying that the hardware can handle it as easily, and at least I am of the opinion of having "seen" otherwise.
Note, that even the rMBP has trouble pushing as many pixels around at this resolution and those have much more powerful chips, especially the dedicated ones.
Certainly you're right in saying that Android in itself might be responsible for a good part of that and that's certainly true. It becomes obvious when seeing that games run so much better than anything running on top of Dalvik, but then again, this is long known and a problem based on poor technological choice noone can reverse now. I am convinced apps won't be a pleasure on this device.
Have a look at the Google presentation video, you'll notice many instances during the presentation where they were trying very hard to scroll as little and as slowly as possible and especially trying to avoid any kind of momentum scrolling, since this would obviously slow things down even more because of the repeated delta calculations resulting in more dropped frames.
Also take a look at early hands on videos, such as at the Verge, where you can see how low the frame rate drops when trying to rotate Google Maps in 3D mode. And note this is running on top of OpenGL. This is especially curious, since Google Maps seems to run much better on top of iOS, than on even highend Android devices. I blame this not only on the underlying system, but also at the combination with constantly increasing resolutions and the push towards 1080p even in Android phones these days.
Who is doing customer support for these 'Google' devices? If it is not Google then Google is just a front for some unknown manufacturers. Just like the Windows PCs that have nothing to do with Microsoft.