It's hard to believe the googlers are all that bright when they can't do something as simple as not putting a hideous wallpaper image on their product in their marketing materials. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot more substantial issues with it, but even just the pleasant background of iOS 7 is probably enough to make up for a $100 price difference with the iPad mini as these things are sold to the mass market.
Wahaha. Is that all Google can deliver? Pixel copy? Turn around and sleep ...
Clearly the device has some features no iOS device on the market can even support (example: OpenGL ES 3.0), but what I don't understand is why you would choose to be blind in your claims.
So draw a box on the login screen for another user and voila! Done!
Consider how to restrict or grant access to data/apps on the same device between users? Or can you when you switch, do you actually logout and shutdown or suspend programs or keep them running in the background? How do you determine who gets what storage space? It's certainly not a simple thing to do.
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS.... I have no idea how it should be implemented, that was just off the top of my head. But I am sure it could be done. And like other features in iOS that you may not use you would be free to ignore this one as well. It astounds me that people could possibly be against a guest user account. It is like the inmates arguing against changing the jail lunch menu and offer something besides meatloaf on Tuesday since it would cause too much pandemonium.
It's hard to believe the googlers are all that bright when they can't do something as simple as not putting a hideous wallpaper image on their product in their marketing materials. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot more substantial issues with it, but even just the pleasant background of iOS 7 is probably enough to make up for a $100 price difference with the iPad mini as these things are sold to the mass market.
I find iOS 7 hideous. I doubt I'll upgrade my iPads or iPhones to it.
So, only the screen aspect might stand in the way of Apple including a Retina display for the iPad mini. Does the screen aspect have such an impact that it could prevent Apple from making a Retina iPad mini this year?
Hahahah!. I'm writing this post using my superior ipad mini. I couldn't be happier. The fit, finish, performance and support hasn't been matched by any clown in the tech business. Right now Goggly is just spec whoring.
This is one of the reasons why I'm dissatisfied with Apple's management. Google is always constantly trying to undermine Apple's hardware business. Supposedly, Wall Street says that Google is more valuable than Apple because its search engine business is nearly infallible. So, Google already has a decent business that's not affected by much competition. But Google has to be greedy and go after Apple's hardware products. This is the reason why Tim Cook's attitude really pisses me off. Why doesn't Apple ever go directly after Google? Android OS practically ruined Apple's iPhone business' future as far as Wall Street is concerned. Wall Street is always claiming how Android devices and Android OS is just as good as Apple's iPhone, iPad and iOS is. How Wall Street investors are always deeply concerned about Apple's mobile future as Android looms everywhere.
The smartphone market is just glutted with Android smartphones at every point of the price spectrum. Both the smartphone and tablet market is flooded with Android devices which is really hurting Apple's chances of holding market share. I'd like to see Apple go directly after Google's search engine business. I'm sure Apple could readily afford to either acquire a search engine or build its own from scratch. Start sucking the life out of Google's ad revenue and see how much Google likes it. Timid Cook just lets his company get screwed over by Google and Wall Street gives Google a free pass with a P/E ratio of close to 30. Google just doesn't have enough competition and Apple should be able to provide some serious ad revenue competition with all Apple devices combined. Apple devices already control most of the mobile web share so Apple could really take a bite out of Google's revenue. C'mon Timid Cook, take off those white gloves and start kicking the crap out of Google for unleashing Android on the world. Apple should not continue to allow Google to screw them over so easy without putting up a fight.
What are the other specs of this screen? Is it a pentile resolution? OLED? Again Google wants to take one aspect of a screen and make it sound like it is better than an iPad because it has more pixels.
Actually it is an LED backlit IPS LCD panel with Gorilla Glass (says so right on Google's page) So technically yes, it is the same screen tech as in Apple products. It is not Pentile or OLED crap.
Yup. I can see them adding this via the fingerprint scanner. Would be a nice, clean solution.
Fingerprint recognised = iPhone/iPad logs in the respective user. Fingerpringt unknown = guest account activated.
Guest account is totally different than multiple users.
Multiple users requires a much more complicated internal file management system, with multiple databases for each profile. Each app has to have its own data profile. What about documents? Can you share them between users? Music, videos?
A guest account could just be similar to parental controls, where you set which apps can and can't be accessed, including Contacts, etc. By default, it probably would disable everything but Safari (no history a la Private Browsing), Camera (a la the current lock-screen camera), Phone (no contacts) and a few other default apps like Weather and Calculator. Any app could be Enabled/Disabled, similar to Location Services.
All this would do would be to hide personal data, not create whole new profiles. Much easier. Would solve the problem of someone needing to use my phone to make a call, or my iPad to browse the web or play Angry Birds.
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS.... I have no idea how it should be implemented, that was just off the top of my head. But I am sure it could be done. And like other features in iOS that you may not use you would be free to ignore this one as well. It astounds me that people could possibly be against a guest user account. It is like the inmates arguing against changing the jail lunch menu and offer something besides meatloaf on Tuesday since it would cause too much pandemonium.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be done (my guest account is used all the time on my N7) or that they can't figure it out, but it's certainly not "That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock." there are a lot more things to consider and do. You were trivializing it to something simple when it is not. Yes, iOS is a variant of OSX, but you don't necessarily do what desktops do on a mobile platform.
This is one of the reasons why I'm dissatisfied with Apple's management. Google is always constantly trying to undermine Apple's hardware business. Supposedly, Wall Street says that Google is more valuable than Apple because its search engine business is nearly infallible. So, Google already has a decent business that's not affected by much competition. But Google has to be greedy and go after Apple's hardware products. This is the reason why Tim Cook's attitude really pisses me off. Why doesn't Apple ever go directly after Google? Android OS practically ruined Apple's iPhone business' future as far as Wall Street is concerned. Wall Street is always claiming how Android devices and Android OS is just as good as Apple's iPhone, iPad and iOS is. How Wall Street investors are always deeply concerned about Apple's mobile future as Android looms everywhere.
The smartphone market is just glutted with Android smartphones at every point of the price spectrum. Both the smartphone and tablet market is flooded with Android devices which is really hurting Apple's chances of holding market share. I'd like to see Apple go directly after Google's search engine business. I'm sure Apple could readily afford to either acquire a search engine or build its own from scratch. Start sucking the life out of Google's ad revenue and see how much Google likes it. Timid Cook just lets his company get screwed over by Google and Wall Street gives Google a free pass with a P/E ratio of close to 30. Google just doesn't have enough competition and Apple should be able to provide some serious ad revenue competition with all Apple devices combined. Apple devices already control most of the mobile web share so Apple could really take a bite out of Google's revenue. C'mon Timid Cook, take off those white gloves and start kicking the crap out of Google for unleashing Android on the world. Apple should not continue to allow Google to screw them over so easy without putting up a fight.
Why aren't you hiding under your rock?
Apple just blew away iPhone expectations. Certainly not "ruined".
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS.... I have no idea how it should be implemented, that was just off the top of my head. But I am sure it could be done. And like other features in iOS that you may not use you would be free to ignore this one as well. It astounds me that people could possibly be against a guest user account. It is like the inmates arguing against changing the jail lunch menu and offer something besides meatloaf on Tuesday since it would cause too much pandemonium.
Guest Account/Guest Mode =/= Multiple User Accounts
Sadly, I think Android will, in fact, be "good enough" for most people. Not for me, but other people. That's why Apple needs to do a better job in addressing the evolving needs of the iOS users. (think about this: I cannot send e-mail to a group from my iPhone: why?).
Another thing: where are those "big, bold moves" Steve Jobs was talking about, Apple's big pile of cash?
Another thing: I don't think Apple should go after search, just to get back a Google. That's too infantile. There has to be a strong business case for it.
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Originally Posted by MacHarry de
Wahaha. Is that all Google can deliver? Pixel copy? Turn around and sleep ...
Clearly the device has some features no iOS device on the market can even support (example: OpenGL ES 3.0), but what I don't understand is why you would choose to be blind in your claims.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
So draw a box on the login screen for another user and voila! Done!
Consider how to restrict or grant access to data/apps on the same device between users? Or can you when you switch, do you actually logout and shutdown or suspend programs or keep them running in the background? How do you determine who gets what storage space? It's certainly not a simple thing to do.
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS...
I find iOS 7 hideous. I doubt I'll upgrade my iPads or iPhones to it.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I can't believe people are arguing against user accounts on the iPad. All the reasons are nonsense, IMO.
I said it's unlikely from the standpoint of Apple, and what's best for them business-wise.
I'm a business-minded person, so that's how I think.
For me personally? Multiple users would be great. But it won't happen, not while iPad controls so much market share.
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Originally Posted by allenbf
I find iOS 7 hideous. I doubt I'll upgrade my iPads or iPhones to it.
Have fun stuck in the past.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I can't believe people are arguing against user accounts on the iPad. All the reasons are nonsense, IMO.
Yup. I can see them adding this via the fingerprint scanner. Would be a nice, clean solution.
Fingerprint recognised = iPhone/iPad logs in the respective user. Fingerpringt unknown = guest account activated.
I will just jailbreak
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I will just jailbreak
And have fun with that.
Right now Goggly is just spec whoring.
The smartphone market is just glutted with Android smartphones at every point of the price spectrum. Both the smartphone and tablet market is flooded with Android devices which is really hurting Apple's chances of holding market share. I'd like to see Apple go directly after Google's search engine business. I'm sure Apple could readily afford to either acquire a search engine or build its own from scratch. Start sucking the life out of Google's ad revenue and see how much Google likes it. Timid Cook just lets his company get screwed over by Google and Wall Street gives Google a free pass with a P/E ratio of close to 30. Google just doesn't have enough competition and Apple should be able to provide some serious ad revenue competition with all Apple devices combined. Apple devices already control most of the mobile web share so Apple could really take a bite out of Google's revenue. C'mon Timid Cook, take off those white gloves and start kicking the crap out of Google for unleashing Android on the world. Apple should not continue to allow Google to screw them over so easy without putting up a fight.
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Originally Posted by AppleTechSpot
What are the other specs of this screen? Is it a pentile resolution? OLED? Again Google wants to take one aspect of a screen and make it sound like it is better than an iPad because it has more pixels.
Actually it is an LED backlit IPS LCD panel with Gorilla Glass (says so right on Google's page) So technically yes, it is the same screen tech as in Apple products. It is not Pentile or OLED crap.
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Originally Posted by alex101
Yup. I can see them adding this via the fingerprint scanner. Would be a nice, clean solution.
Fingerprint recognised = iPhone/iPad logs in the respective user. Fingerpringt unknown = guest account activated.
Guest account is totally different than multiple users.
Multiple users requires a much more complicated internal file management system, with multiple databases for each profile. Each app has to have its own data profile. What about documents? Can you share them between users? Music, videos?
A guest account could just be similar to parental controls, where you set which apps can and can't be accessed, including Contacts, etc. By default, it probably would disable everything but Safari (no history a la Private Browsing), Camera (a la the current lock-screen camera), Phone (no contacts) and a few other default apps like Weather and Calculator. Any app could be Enabled/Disabled, similar to Location Services.
All this would do would be to hide personal data, not create whole new profiles. Much easier. Would solve the problem of someone needing to use my phone to make a call, or my iPad to browse the web or play Angry Birds.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS...
I'm not saying it shouldn't be done (my guest account is used all the time on my N7) or that they can't figure it out, but it's certainly not "That is no more difficult or challenging that setting up the passcode lock." there are a lot more things to consider and do. You were trivializing it to something simple when it is not.
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo
This is one of the reasons why I'm dissatisfied with Apple's management. Google is always constantly trying to undermine Apple's hardware business. Supposedly, Wall Street says that Google is more valuable than Apple because its search engine business is nearly infallible. So, Google already has a decent business that's not affected by much competition. But Google has to be greedy and go after Apple's hardware products. This is the reason why Tim Cook's attitude really pisses me off. Why doesn't Apple ever go directly after Google? Android OS practically ruined Apple's iPhone business' future as far as Wall Street is concerned. Wall Street is always claiming how Android devices and Android OS is just as good as Apple's iPhone, iPad and iOS is. How Wall Street investors are always deeply concerned about Apple's mobile future as Android looms everywhere.
The smartphone market is just glutted with Android smartphones at every point of the price spectrum. Both the smartphone and tablet market is flooded with Android devices which is really hurting Apple's chances of holding market share. I'd like to see Apple go directly after Google's search engine business. I'm sure Apple could readily afford to either acquire a search engine or build its own from scratch. Start sucking the life out of Google's ad revenue and see how much Google likes it. Timid Cook just lets his company get screwed over by Google and Wall Street gives Google a free pass with a P/E ratio of close to 30. Google just doesn't have enough competition and Apple should be able to provide some serious ad revenue competition with all Apple devices combined. Apple devices already control most of the mobile web share so Apple could really take a bite out of Google's revenue. C'mon Timid Cook, take off those white gloves and start kicking the crap out of Google for unleashing Android on the world. Apple should not continue to allow Google to screw them over so easy without putting up a fight.
Why aren't you hiding under your rock?
Apple just blew away iPhone expectations. Certainly not "ruined".
Google is a bubble that will pop.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
So Google figured out these problems on 4.3 and so did Apple on OS X but you think they can't on iOS...
Guest Account/Guest Mode =/= Multiple User Accounts
Sadly, I think Android will, in fact, be "good enough" for most people. Not for me, but other people. That's why Apple needs to do a better job in addressing the evolving needs of the iOS users. (think about this: I cannot send e-mail to a group from my iPhone: why?).
Another thing: where are those "big, bold moves" Steve Jobs was talking about, Apple's big pile of cash?
Another thing: I don't think Apple should go after search, just to get back a Google. That's too infantile. There has to be a strong business case for it.