Well, of course they are. Any decent tech company has dozens of active prototypes that are tested for years before a decision is made to go to market.
NEWS ALERT Sony testing various size TVs NEWS ALERT
Not Samsung. They don't have tons of prototypes before a decision is made, all of the products they make ARE prototypes, they just through products out, regardless. That's whey they have 160+ different models to choose from. They figure some will sell well enough to take up the slack of the ones that don't.
people here are crazy. if apple is following trends by going bigger why can't Samsung be doing the same with touch and bounce back? android was being developed before the iPhone was announced. you guts are like Christians... you only believe what "your" book/leaders say is true. they are phones. sent from my nexus 4.
They simply won't do that unless they can figure out how to solve the current trade off's
What tradeoff can Apple not solve? There is only one tradeoff with a large screen: it's too big for one-handed use. That tradeoff is inherent and cannot be avoided.
So, Apple made a 4:3 ratio 8" iPad Mini, and that's "copying everyone else's 16:9 ratio 7" tablets" just because they made a smaller iPad? What screen sizes are you referring to / comparing exactly? Where has Apple "copied" the screen sizes of someone else's tablet or phone? I'm looking for historical precedent to back up your premise here.
Who said that Apple upsizing the phone screen size would a) in any way match Samsung's screen sizes (I would note that once again Samsung has upsized their tablets from 7" to 8" to "match" Apple), or b) that doing so would label it a "phablet" much less constitute "copying"? And finally, what happened to your old "natural progression of technology" argument in support of Samsung's copying?? Gone when it no longer favors your favorite?
You sure do play loose with the idea of "copying". The industry cranks out "standard" sized 20" LCD screens, so everyone makes 20" monitors, but they each pack it with differentiating features, colors, design aesthetics, etc. YOU call that "copying" in this case because a screen is the same size? And then say that is synonymous with Samsing going from crappy busy handsets bristliong with buttons to a handset Samsung's LAWYERS coudln't differentiate from an iPhone and call that the SAME?
I'm not sure if you are one of the people who repeatedly call Android products (especially Samsungs) copies of Apple products, but that accusation is made literally every day on this website using looser comparisons than iPad mini vs. small Android tablets. On AI the standard for copying is the creation of a product in any category where another product already exists.
Let's be fair and acknowledge the fact that Apply may be (not is) copying Samsung this time with the phablet.
Well, since Apple doesn't produce a device that we can say is copying Samsung in this manner your statement is rather silly. It gets even more silly if you are contending that Samsung made the first 5"+ screen size phone, because it didn't. And finally, the silly meter will be absolutely pegged if you are saying that Samsung pioneered the idea of making a larger screen version of a device that uses a screen.
Ahh well, another phone that I will completely ignore. I'll stick to the 4 inch myself. A six inch phone is like holding a breakfast platter up to your head. Besides, I would be tired of hearing the comments on the bulge in my pants.
people here are crazy. if apple is following trends by going bigger why can't Samsung be doing the same with touch and bounce back? android was being developed before the iPhone was announced. you guts are like Christians... you only believe what "your" book/leaders say is true. they are phones. sent from my nexus 4.
Ahh yes, being developed, and with keyboards and no touch screen.
I'm not sure if you are one of the people who repeatedly call Android products (especially Samsungs) copies of Apple products, but that accusation is made literally every day on this website using looser comparisons than iPad mini vs. small Android tablets. On AI the standard for copying is the creation of a product in any category where another product already exists.
I would say that when the Samsung is so similar to the Apple product that even Samsung's lawyers (who have been working exclusively on that case for months) can't tell the difference, that it's fair to call the Samsung product a copy.
EVEN IF Apple makes a phone with the same screen size as the corresponding Samsung phone, you can't really make that claim unless the same thing is true - that someone intimately familiar with both products can't tell the difference.
I would say that when the Samsung is so similar to the Apple product that even Samsung's lawyers (who have been working exclusively on that case for months) can't tell the difference, that it's fair to call the Samsung product a copy.
EVEN IF Apple makes a phone with the same screen size as the corresponding Samsung phone, you can't really make that claim unless the same thing is true - that someone intimately familiar with both products can't tell the difference.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
Let's be fair and acknowledge the fact that Apply may be (not is) copying Samsung this time with the phablet.
*Waits for Applefans to portray this the wrong way in 3...2...*
Soooooo your actually trying to suggest that Apple copied samsung? lol Clearly your confused. Your saying that Apple is coping the samsung devices which are copies of Apple's original concepts & innovation of their own phones....lol... and because Samsung made a bigger size version of Apple's design & innovation that now, that some how, means Apple can't make a larger version of their own design because someone rushed another out before Apple?
Their road maps are around 5yrs from now. How do you even know this wasn't in their roadmap. But like anything Apple, they won't release something, "until solutions are found for certain "trade-offs,". They don't just jump on band wagons and drop garbage like every other company. Apple waits till it's done right as their customers expect. Making a clone of a Apple product but just larger, isn't innovation. They are not so insecure that they are worried about rushing... Apple has a more narrow sighted target audience, as they have always stated, they don't make products for everyone. You just may not fall into their target audience... so don't feel frustrated for not understanding.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
Right. The lawyer doesn't understand anything about trademarks.
That's just about as bizarre as Gatorguy's continued insistence that Google has no control over Motorola's legal activities.
If you remember WSJ leaked the Mini before it was official. If anything think of this as a counter to Samsung's offerings or Android phones in general, Apple has the smaller iPads to counter the 7" tablets but no larger screen phones, which seem quite popular to me. So, stop yer fussin' about who is copying who when it comes to screen sizes, do you see people say Sony copied Sharp for such and such TV size? This is about staying relevant, staying on top (or among the top companies). After all its important to not have one's head in the sand for prolonged periods, in other words, its important to not copy Nokia, Blackberry, Microsoft, Kodak.
Right. The lawyer doesn't understand anything about trademarks.
That's just about as bizarre as Gatorguy's continued insistence that Google has no control over Motorola's legal activities.
Strawman much? The lawyers can understand trademarks and still use colloquialized product names in conversation (not in that trial though!). You think lawyers don't call tissues Kleenexes? Bandages Band-Aids? Gelatinous desserts Jell-O? Cotton swabs Q-Tips? The editing of photos "Photoshopping"?
In many people's ignorant minds, iPhone and iPad have become genericized.
Honestly without a proper pressure sensitive stylus, it would be much less useful either way.
Agree with the first part, but what would a stylus be good for? Seeing more of an email, or reading more web pages without pinching and panning... would be more than useful enough. And I admit that as somebody not even wanting a bigger iPhone.
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Plus the iPhone-c. Why come out with a cheap plastic version like Samsung? Apple shouldn't get into the non-profit cheap market at all.
Who said that the 5C will be "non-profit"? Or even "cheap"? There is a lot of room to make a profitable phone below $649. Actually, the 5C might even carry a higher margin than a soon last-gen iPhone 5 (as this one is terribly expensive to produce) sold for $100 less once it becomes a second-tier device.
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Can't believe this "copying" discussion is going on for two pages now. Did anybody talk about copying when different manufacturers had same size monitors or laptop displays? These are stock components and Apple buys from the same suppliers as Samsung (or even Samsung itself).
Once Apple releases an iPhone with a stupid Pentile and/or OLED display where all people in photos and videos have red faces, and start putting a faux-leather back on an iPhone, we can and should have this discussion. Because then they deserve it.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
There was also the packaging and software assets like app icons that mimicked Apple products. It wasn't just about comparing those pictures you posted, don't you think that's oversimplifying? If you think some pictures sum up the whole case, then you are missing a few more pictures at least, certainly not an accurate summation. But this set of photos is the summary you would put together to prove Samsung right, its similar but not identical.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
I dont mean to be smart, but i think that last sentence about your aunt speaks volumes, more than all the rhetoric on many of these threads.
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Well, of course they are. Any decent tech company has dozens of active prototypes that are tested for years before a decision is made to go to market.
NEWS ALERT Sony testing various size TVs NEWS ALERT
Not Samsung. They don't have tons of prototypes before a decision is made, all of the products they make ARE prototypes, they just through products out, regardless. That's whey they have 160+ different models to choose from. They figure some will sell well enough to take up the slack of the ones that don't.
For brand new customers, really don't think there is still a queue of people lining up for a 4 inch phone at a price tag of $600+
They simply won't do that unless they can figure out how to solve the current trade off's
What tradeoff can Apple not solve? There is only one tradeoff with a large screen: it's too big for one-handed use. That tradeoff is inherent and cannot be avoided.
So, Apple made a 4:3 ratio 8" iPad Mini, and that's "copying everyone else's 16:9 ratio 7" tablets" just because they made a smaller iPad? What screen sizes are you referring to / comparing exactly? Where has Apple "copied" the screen sizes of someone else's tablet or phone? I'm looking for historical precedent to back up your premise here.
Who said that Apple upsizing the phone screen size would a) in any way match Samsung's screen sizes (I would note that once again Samsung has upsized their tablets from 7" to 8" to "match" Apple), or b) that doing so would label it a "phablet" much less constitute "copying"? And finally, what happened to your old "natural progression of technology" argument in support of Samsung's copying?? Gone when it no longer favors your favorite?
You sure do play loose with the idea of "copying". The industry cranks out "standard" sized 20" LCD screens, so everyone makes 20" monitors, but they each pack it with differentiating features, colors, design aesthetics, etc. YOU call that "copying" in this case because a screen is the same size? And then say that is synonymous with Samsing going from crappy busy handsets bristliong with buttons to a handset Samsung's LAWYERS coudln't differentiate from an iPhone and call that the SAME?
I'm not sure if you are one of the people who repeatedly call Android products (especially Samsungs) copies of Apple products, but that accusation is made literally every day on this website using looser comparisons than iPad mini vs. small Android tablets. On AI the standard for copying is the creation of a product in any category where another product already exists.
Louder, please.
Let's be fair and acknowledge the fact that Apply may be (not is) copying Samsung this time with the phablet.
Well, since Apple doesn't produce a device that we can say is copying Samsung in this manner your statement is rather silly. It gets even more silly if you are contending that Samsung made the first 5"+ screen size phone, because it didn't. And finally, the silly meter will be absolutely pegged if you are saying that Samsung pioneered the idea of making a larger screen version of a device that uses a screen.
-kpluck
What do you call an Android user that posts on an Apple site? All together now....TROLL
people here are crazy. if apple is following trends by going bigger why can't Samsung be doing the same with touch and bounce back? android was being developed before the iPhone was announced. you guts are like Christians... you only believe what "your" book/leaders say is true. they are phones. sent from my nexus 4.
Ahh yes, being developed, and with keyboards and no touch screen.
I would say that when the Samsung is so similar to the Apple product that even Samsung's lawyers (who have been working exclusively on that case for months) can't tell the difference, that it's fair to call the Samsung product a copy.
EVEN IF Apple makes a phone with the same screen size as the corresponding Samsung phone, you can't really make that claim unless the same thing is true - that someone intimately familiar with both products can't tell the difference.
I would say that when the Samsung is so similar to the Apple product that even Samsung's lawyers (who have been working exclusively on that case for months) can't tell the difference, that it's fair to call the Samsung product a copy.
EVEN IF Apple makes a phone with the same screen size as the corresponding Samsung phone, you can't really make that claim unless the same thing is true - that someone intimately familiar with both products can't tell the difference.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
Fact is, the strategy of Samsung is to produce everything they can think of... Apple do not copy this strategy
Let's be fair and acknowledge the fact that Apply may be (not is) copying Samsung this time with the phablet.
*Waits for Applefans to portray this the wrong way in 3...2...*
Soooooo your actually trying to suggest that Apple copied samsung? lol Clearly your confused. Your saying that Apple is coping the samsung devices which are copies of Apple's original concepts & innovation of their own phones....lol... and because Samsung made a bigger size version of Apple's design & innovation that now, that some how, means Apple can't make a larger version of their own design because someone rushed another out before Apple?
Their road maps are around 5yrs from now. How do you even know this wasn't in their roadmap. But like anything Apple, they won't release something, "until solutions are found for certain "trade-offs,". They don't just jump on band wagons and drop garbage like every other company. Apple waits till it's done right as their customers expect. Making a clone of a Apple product but just larger, isn't innovation. They are not so insecure that they are worried about rushing... Apple has a more narrow sighted target audience, as they have always stated, they don't make products for everyone. You just may not fall into their target audience... so don't feel frustrated for not understanding.
Right. The lawyer doesn't understand anything about trademarks.
That's just about as bizarre as Gatorguy's continued insistence that Google has no control over Motorola's legal activities.
Right. The lawyer doesn't understand anything about trademarks.
That's just about as bizarre as Gatorguy's continued insistence that Google has no control over Motorola's legal activities.
Strawman much? The lawyers can understand trademarks and still use colloquialized product names in conversation (not in that trial though!). You think lawyers don't call tissues Kleenexes? Bandages Band-Aids? Gelatinous desserts Jell-O? Cotton swabs Q-Tips? The editing of photos "Photoshopping"?
In many people's ignorant minds, iPhone and iPad have become genericized.
Experimenting != Producing
Honestly without a proper pressure sensitive stylus, it would be much less useful either way.
Agree with the first part, but what would a stylus be good for? Seeing more of an email, or reading more web pages without pinching and panning... would be more than useful enough. And I admit that as somebody not even wanting a bigger iPhone.
Plus the iPhone-c. Why come out with a cheap plastic version like Samsung? Apple shouldn't get into the non-profit cheap market at all.
Who said that the 5C will be "non-profit"? Or even "cheap"? There is a lot of room to make a profitable phone below $649. Actually, the 5C might even carry a higher margin than a soon last-gen iPhone 5 (as this one is terribly expensive to produce) sold for $100 less once it becomes a second-tier device.
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Can't believe this "copying" discussion is going on for two pages now. Did anybody talk about copying when different manufacturers had same size monitors or laptop displays? These are stock components and Apple buys from the same suppliers as Samsung (or even Samsung itself).
Once Apple releases an iPhone with a stupid Pentile and/or OLED display where all people in photos and videos have red faces, and start putting a faux-leather back on an iPhone, we can and should have this discussion. Because then they deserve it.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
There was also the packaging and software assets like app icons that mimicked Apple products. It wasn't just about comparing those pictures you posted, don't you think that's oversimplifying? If you think some pictures sum up the whole case, then you are missing a few more pictures at least, certainly not an accurate summation. But this set of photos is the summary you would put together to prove Samsung right, its similar but not identical.
I think that lawyer was simply ignorant. There is nothing so similar between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad that a person couldn't distinguish them. That lawyer was probably one of those people, like my aunt, who calls all tablets "iPads" and all smartphones "iPhones."
I dont mean to be smart, but i think that last sentence about your aunt speaks volumes, more than all the rhetoric on many of these threads.