There was also the packaging and software assets like app icons that mimicked Apple products. It wasn't just about comparing those pictures you posted, don't you think that's oversimplifying? If you think some pictures sum up the whole case, then you are missing a few more pictures at least, certainly not an accurate summation. But this set of photos is the summary you would put together to prove Samsung right, its similar but not identical.
I wasn't speaking to the whole trial, just what jragosta wrote about.
Apple has a more narrow sighted target audience, as they have always stated, they don't make products for everyone.
If the rumors of the iPhone 5C are accurate then Apple will be shifting this way of thinking very soon and will indeed be trying to make products for the masses.
If the rumors of the iPhone 5C are accurate then Apple will be shifting this way of thinking very soon and will indeed be trying to make products for the masses.
or its just a replacement for the current iphone4s
or its just a replacement for the current iphone4s
Totally possible as well (though that's not what most of the rumors have been suggesting). As all we have is rumors at this point, we'll just have to wait and see.
Strawman much? The lawyers can understand trademarks and still use colloquialized product names in conversation (not in that trial though!). You think lawyers don't call tissues Kleenexes? Bandages Band-Aids? Gelatinous desserts Jell-O? Cotton swabs Q-Tips? The editing of photos "Photoshopping"?
In many people's ignorant minds, iPhone and iPad have become genericized.
people here are crazy. if apple is following trends by going bigger why can't Samsung be doing the same with touch and bounce back? android was being developed before the iPhone was announced. you guts are like Christians... you only believe what "your" book/leaders say is true. they are phones. sent from my nexus 4.
You can't patent sizes. You know nothing about Christians too.
What tradeoff can Apple not solve? There is only one tradeoff with a large screen: it's too big for one-handed use. That tradeoff is inherent and cannot be avoided.
Perhaps battery life is another since larger screens needs more power. Don't forget weight.
If the rumors of the iPhone 5C are accurate then Apple will be shifting this way of thinking very soon and will indeed be trying to make products for the masses.
Perhaps battery life is another since larger screens needs more power. Don't forget weight.
Battery consumption in terms of total wattage used is hurt by the larger display, but the expanded chassis built to hold that display can hold a much larger battery too. Of course that battery does weigh more, so you're right that weight is definitely compromised. Case in point, the Note 3 weighs exactly 1.5 times more than the iPhone 5.
Samsung makes a phablet first. Apple makes one after.
I'm purely comparing screen sizes of a product, nothing more. So yes, Apple would be copying Samsung. Just like when Samsung copied Apple with a tablet.
I think you've got a few things wrong here dud. Samsung didn't copy apple by making a tablet or a touch screen phone. More than one company can make a car, that doesn't necessarily mean one car company is copying the other. Samsung was guilty of copying the exact look, function and feel of apple products by copying the physical design as well as the software. Just because they made a tablet or touch screen phone doesn't make them guilty of copying apple. Microsoft was very careful not to fall into this trap again as well. Their tablets, touch screen phones and software are all very different from apple products in looks, function and feel (probably why they suck) and no one is complaining about Microsoft copying apple as a result. Apple wouldn't be copying samsung if they offered a larger screen phone, they would be guilty of copying Samsung if that larger phone could plainly be seen to copy the physical look/design and the software functionality look and feel too of samsung products.
WSJ is notorious in creating stories that is just rumors. Honestly, I just want a device that I can put in my font pant pocket. and it just feel weird walking and talking on something I can't even hold in my hand that easily. Any way, maybe this might have a screen that gives me 6 in diagonal surface, that is using flexible screen. Now it would just be amazing, if the screen pulls out like in scrolls? I can see a phone which is one cylinder, which contains the rolled away screen. For making calls I do not need to pull out screen, the surface of the cylinder can be big enough with the numbers for phone. When I can to work it an app or text or something that requires bigger real estate I just scroll out the screen.
Just imagine having a cylindrical object in your pant pocket - Win -Win situation :-)
It's an interesting idea, but don't turn up your nose at technology that actually exists because you prefer something that doesn't.
If Apple makes a larger iPhone they will need to address the large chin & forehead issue that takes up so much space currently. Here is what I would hope for from Apple.
I would tend to doubt this if they're moving to a fingerprint scanner in the home button. And I'm sure the forehead and chin are the same size because they like the symmetry of it (It would be interesting to see some nice mockups of a model with only a smaller forehead and same size chin as current to accommodate the current home button).
It's just a matter of time before Apple goes with a buttonless design with virtually no "chin" or space above and below the screen.
Apple already has patents for capacitative touch panels with virtual buttons. The technology is there because Palm over 5 years ago pioneered a fully touch enabled surface around a multitouch screen on the Pre. Tech has come a long way since the Pre and I'm sure Apple can do some unique things with capacitative touch and gestures to operate the device.
Also remember Apple patented putting the FaceTime camera behind the display implying that one day they'd NEED to hide the camera behind the display (maybe because the display will occupy the entire front real estate of the phone?). If that were the case it would leave only the earpiece which could be located at the very edge of the device.
In short i believe Apple will have a large screen display unlike anything else on the market, and it will look NOTHING like those ugly mockups.
Plus the iPhone-c. Why come out with a cheap plastic version like Samsung? Apple shouldn't get into the non-profit cheap market at all.
The "C" doesn't stand for cheap, it stands for "color". To that end Apple will use polycarbonate which is sturdy, with color through and through and has passed the test of rigidity previously in the MacBooks of yore.
Aah, look at the excitement when WSJ speaks its mind about a larger display iPhone.
Apple knows not how to make crappy products (that's something others master in). And here's the reason. Our hands aren't getting any bigger. So it makes absolutely no sense to say that a phone with a bigger dimension than that could fit in our hands or pockets is a better/evolved device.
I've used GS4 (crappy phone by the way) and I will admit, it has its uses. You know, like, leaning it up against something and playing a video perhaps. But apart from that, as a phone and everything a phone should do, it's a dinosaur really. In terms of evolution, it is actually devolving. And the funny this is, people are actually falling for it instead of getting the concept of limit.
"Bigger screen.... must buy.... its better... because its bigger..."
If Apple is planning quantity (I hope not) then it makes sense to make a larger phone so people with no sense of ergonomics can go buy and gloat about it. But I doubt that'll happen. WSJ just speaks what it wants, and all it wants now is the malware infested, piracy rigged, highly uncouth and utterly unrefined Android.
At once, I applaud this because I really want one, but a deplore that it has taken so long. I want one now, and I need to upgrade now. I don't want one next year. Apple is so far behind the curve on this one, it makes me scratch my head.
I purchased my iphone 5 with the expectation that a larger version would arrive in 2014. I agree with others that it's only a matter of time. Tim has said time and again that they are not going to rush or make compromises. They'll do this right and I believe it will coincide with a complete redesign of the hardware...maybe same look and feel as ipad mini. They should eventually have two or three phone sizes i think?
Since when did apple try Samsung, Apple is trying to find perfect screen size now, anything above 5 inches is not (if you will not buy unless it is then you are probably a very tiny percentage) I figure a estimated 4.5 would succeed but 6 inches will probably throw the IPad mini sales (2 inches for another $100-$300 minus phone capability?) so these rumors of 5 inch plus phone annoy me, espiccialy since we are having a 4 inch announced in less than a 100 hours!!! You can't be serious with a 6 inch!!!
"6 inch" tablet-phone seems more likely than a betwixt-and-betweener: As I've noted on this forum before, Apple is a metric company: a 10cm iPhone (one-hander phone), a 20cm iPad mini, a 25cm iPad, and now (it seems) a 15cm iPhone (a proper two-hander). And if there's another iPad, it'll be a 30cm model. 15cm would have enough real estate to do stuff (two-handed) that fiddly on a normal 10cm iPhone. And it would be a terrific size for games.
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There was also the packaging and software assets like app icons that mimicked Apple products. It wasn't just about comparing those pictures you posted, don't you think that's oversimplifying? If you think some pictures sum up the whole case, then you are missing a few more pictures at least, certainly not an accurate summation. But this set of photos is the summary you would put together to prove Samsung right, its similar but not identical.
I wasn't speaking to the whole trial, just what jragosta wrote about.
Originally Posted by warheart777
Apple has a more narrow sighted target audience, as they have always stated, they don't make products for everyone.
If the rumors of the iPhone 5C are accurate then Apple will be shifting this way of thinking very soon and will indeed be trying to make products for the masses.
If the rumors of the iPhone 5C are accurate then Apple will be shifting this way of thinking very soon and will indeed be trying to make products for the masses.
or its just a replacement for the current iphone4s
or its just a replacement for the current iphone4s
Totally possible as well (though that's not what most of the rumors have been suggesting). As all we have is rumors at this point, we'll just have to wait and see.
Strawman much? The lawyers can understand trademarks and still use colloquialized product names in conversation (not in that trial though!). You think lawyers don't call tissues Kleenexes? Bandages Band-Aids? Gelatinous desserts Jell-O? Cotton swabs Q-Tips? The editing of photos "Photoshopping"?
In many people's ignorant minds, iPhone and iPad have become genericized.
Ramble much?
You can't patent sizes. You know nothing about Christians too.
Perhaps battery life is another since larger screens needs more power. Don't forget weight.
Psssst, Apple makes iPods for the masses.
Perhaps battery life is another since larger screens needs more power. Don't forget weight.
Battery consumption in terms of total wattage used is hurt by the larger display, but the expanded chassis built to hold that display can hold a much larger battery too. Of course that battery does weigh more, so you're right that weight is definitely compromised. Case in point, the Note 3 weighs exactly 1.5 times more than the iPhone 5.
Psssst, Apple makes iPods for the masses.
Good point.
I think you've got a few things wrong here dud. Samsung didn't copy apple by making a tablet or a touch screen phone. More than one company can make a car, that doesn't necessarily mean one car company is copying the other. Samsung was guilty of copying the exact look, function and feel of apple products by copying the physical design as well as the software. Just because they made a tablet or touch screen phone doesn't make them guilty of copying apple. Microsoft was very careful not to fall into this trap again as well. Their tablets, touch screen phones and software are all very different from apple products in looks, function and feel (probably why they suck) and no one is complaining about Microsoft copying apple as a result. Apple wouldn't be copying samsung if they offered a larger screen phone, they would be guilty of copying Samsung if that larger phone could plainly be seen to copy the physical look/design and the software functionality look and feel too of samsung products.
And when Apple is late to the party, they always bring an amazing designed device with them so it will be exciting to see how they do it
WSJ is notorious in creating stories that is just rumors. Honestly, I just want a device that I can put in my font pant pocket. and it just feel weird walking and talking on something I can't even hold in my hand that easily. Any way, maybe this might have a screen that gives me 6 in diagonal surface, that is using flexible screen. Now it would just be amazing, if the screen pulls out like in scrolls? I can see a phone which is one cylinder, which contains the rolled away screen. For making calls I do not need to pull out screen, the surface of the cylinder can be big enough with the numbers for phone. When I can to work it an app or text or something that requires bigger real estate I just scroll out the screen.
Just imagine having a cylindrical object in your pant pocket - Win -Win situation :-)
It's an interesting idea, but don't turn up your nose at technology that actually exists because you prefer something that doesn't.
It's just a matter of time before Apple goes with a buttonless design with virtually no "chin" or space above and below the screen.
Apple already has patents for capacitative touch panels with virtual buttons. The technology is there because Palm over 5 years ago pioneered a fully touch enabled surface around a multitouch screen on the Pre. Tech has come a long way since the Pre and I'm sure Apple can do some unique things with capacitative touch and gestures to operate the device.
Also remember Apple patented putting the FaceTime camera behind the display implying that one day they'd NEED to hide the camera behind the display (maybe because the display will occupy the entire front real estate of the phone?). If that were the case it would leave only the earpiece which could be located at the very edge of the device.
In short i believe Apple will have a large screen display unlike anything else on the market, and it will look NOTHING like those ugly mockups.
Plus the iPhone-c. Why come out with a cheap plastic version like Samsung? Apple shouldn't get into the non-profit cheap market at all.
The "C" doesn't stand for cheap, it stands for "color". To that end Apple will use polycarbonate which is sturdy, with color through and through and has passed the test of rigidity previously in the MacBooks of yore.
Aah, look at the excitement when WSJ speaks its mind about a larger display iPhone.
Apple knows not how to make crappy products (that's something others master in). And here's the reason. Our hands aren't getting any bigger. So it makes absolutely no sense to say that a phone with a bigger dimension than that could fit in our hands or pockets is a better/evolved device.
I've used GS4 (crappy phone by the way) and I will admit, it has its uses. You know, like, leaning it up against something and playing a video perhaps. But apart from that, as a phone and everything a phone should do, it's a dinosaur really. In terms of evolution, it is actually devolving. And the funny this is, people are actually falling for it instead of getting the concept of limit.
"Bigger screen.... must buy.... its better... because its bigger..."
If Apple is planning quantity (I hope not) then it makes sense to make a larger phone so people with no sense of ergonomics can go buy and gloat about it. But I doubt that'll happen. WSJ just speaks what it wants, and all it wants now is the malware infested, piracy rigged, highly uncouth and utterly unrefined Android.
At once, I applaud this because I really want one, but a deplore that it has taken so long. I want one now, and I need to upgrade now. I don't want one next year. Apple is so far behind the curve on this one, it makes me scratch my head.
I purchased my iphone 5 with the expectation that a larger version would arrive in 2014. I agree with others that it's only a matter of time. Tim has said time and again that they are not going to rush or make compromises. They'll do this right and I believe it will coincide with a complete redesign of the hardware...maybe same look and feel as ipad mini. They should eventually have two or three phone sizes i think?