Apple announces 'Touch ID' fingerprint scanner for iPhone 5S

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  • Reply 101 of 150
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by fountain View Post

     

    MacApfel, I heard none of the new features work.


     

    Who paid you to come here? Get a real job.

  • Reply 102 of 150
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    You mean the sensor no one else has been capable of launching on a phone, ever? The Atrix is the only phone that's ever had one and it was completely unintuitive, and was removed from the product 2 months after release because it was failing for everyone. The same goes for those fingerprint sensors on notebook computers: they fail, they break, they cease to work. That's not good consumer electronics. Things must be useful, and they must continue to work.

     

    I'm being genuine here in saying if the single only new thing Apple brought out this year is a fingerprint sensor that's intuitive, that works well and doesn't give trouble over time it will be one of the most important years in Apple's company history. If they pull this off it will be a definitively—Apple move. And then in October 2014, when the sensor is proven in the market with a year under its belt, Apple will add it to all of their iDevices, and eventually, Macs. This is how Apple operates, and it works for them. And it works for users too. Users don't want 1,000,000 new features every year. They want 1 or 2 genuinely useful additional features that they will use regularly. We'll leave it to Samesong to add 10 new gimmicks every year, or try to cater to every single customer imaginable. Rather than make something they would actually love to use themselves. 


    The biometric fingerprint sensors in the Motorola ATRIX and the iPhone 5S were both developed by the same company -- Authentec. Hopefully, the kinks have been worked out this time around.

  • Reply 103 of 150
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    I think in most cases law enforcement agency will have the suspect in custody in addition to the phone.

     

    What's your point? They'll still want to get into their phone to search for evidence.
  • Reply 104 of 150
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Baffling! If they had demoed the new Touch ID, they could have showed how it works with iCloud Keychain in iOS 7 so you'd never have to remember another password again. 


     

    It doesn't and won't work with iCloud keychain thanks to the wacky paranoia of the American government.

  • Reply 105 of 150
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

    It doesn't and won't work with iCloud keychain thanks to the wacky paranoia of the American government.


     

    What? Why would the government be paranoid? It will never work like this because it's insecure to send your fingerprints across the Internet. The government would WANT to have this information. The "wacky paranoia" (known as desire for personal privacy in the civilized world) is on the part of the user.

  • Reply 106 of 150
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
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    Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post

     

     

    I think in most cases law enforcement agency will have the suspect in custody in addition to the phone.


     




    What's your point? They'll still want to get into their phone to search for evidence.

     

     

    I think fingerprint is not the only way to unlock if it failed.  If the user can not unlock with finger print it still can be unlocked with pass code. 

  • Reply 107 of 150

    It's a decent update to the iPhone. I think the fingerprint recognition is going to be a significant feature in time, especially as NFR payments, coupons, tickets and so on become more widely used.

     

    However, the thing about the announcements that I find very strange is the "5c" is really not that much less expensive if you look at the unlocked prices. The cheapest 5c is $549 unlocked. I was hoping they were going to hit more around $300. The cheapest 5s is only $100 more. If you compare the difference in features and quality between the 5c and the 5s, I think it stacks up to more than $100. They should have given people more of a break on the 5c.

  • Reply 108 of 150
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    tkell31 wrote: »
    Stock market agrees with me, getting pummeled as this non event gets absorbed.  12 months for this?  Joke and a half and Cook is the court jester.

    The stock dropped for one reason, and one reason only; the 5C is $549.

    I don't see how anyone could have though it was possible to have it any cheaper, considering what it was expected to be, but there you have it, crazy expectations.
  • Reply 109 of 150
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    graxspoo wrote: »
    It's a decent update to the iPhone. I think the fingerprint recognition is going to be a significant feature in time, especially as NFR payments, coupons, tickets and so on become more widely used.

    However, the thing about the announcements that I find very strange is the "5c" is really not that much less expensive if you look at the unlocked prices. The cheapest 5c is $549 unlocked. I was hoping they were going to hit more around $300. The cheapest 5s is only $100 more. If you compare the difference in features and quality between the 5c and the 5s, I think it stacks up to more than $100. They should have given people more of a break on the 5c.

    Yours is one of those crazy expectations. People aren't thinking here. The difference between a stainless steel backed polycarbonate back and a machined aluminum back isn't as much as one might think. Perhaps $30, maybe a bit more. But look what Apple did here. They designed a new motherboard. They put a much better FaceTime camera in. They used the most expensive radio to get all of those bands in, AND a bigger battery.

    And people expect the phone to go for $300? Seriously? Why? Just because they want it to?
  • Reply 110 of 150

    I am going to put a thick sticker on the Home button disabling fingerprint stuff, I have never committed any crime so I don't see any reason to voluntarily give out my fingerprint.

     

    They have every one's address, location, phone number, family , childhood pictures and  etc by social networks now they were missing people's fingerprint which could be accomplished this way.

     

    I'm pretty sure Apple have had some acknowledgement from big brother to implement this, now they are saying every thing is encrypted on your device and not sent to our servers ?!!

     

    Next year they are going to say , well you know guys fingerprint is not that accurate and it's kind old, why don't give your DNA to unlock the iPhone's home screen ?!!!

  • Reply 111 of 150
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    nelsonx wrote: »
    Still, the processor is good. 64 bit is good. And the motion coprocessor looks useful. I'll give them that. But the rest of the phone is a huge disappointment. The fingerprint is a gimmick without NFC. The processor would be good for true multitasking, but for true multitasking you need a bigger screen, so you can have two apps open on the same screen. That's why you need a bigger screen! Which Apple doesn't want to make!

    Actually, we already do have multitasking, but in a more limited form. The truth is that most apps don't need it, and neither do you. GPS apps use it. In fact, I have to remember to manually turn off my GPS app otherwise it talks to me for the rest of the day. Also my audio test software. If I don't, it measures sound while the phone is in my case, on my waist. And then, the battery dies.

    We run music in the background, download in the background, as well as other stuff. Apple already has most of that covered. Even with a 5" phone you really don't want to run two apps side by side. And anyway, just slide right or left. Not really a big deal, you know? But you would be nuts to want to run two apps at once, on the screen, even of it were bigger. On an iPad, maybe, or maybe not. I think there's too much fixation on this. What are you going to do, run a video render while writing a novel?
  • Reply 112 of 150
    Originally Posted by Derek1234 View Post
    I am going to put a thick sticker on the Home button disabling fingerprint stuff, I have never committed any crime so I don't see any reason to voluntarily give out my fingerprint.

     

    Take off the tin foil hat. You understand it's not on by default, does nothing by default, isn't a fingerprint scanner by default, and cannot possibly give anyone off the phone your data when it's on in any capacity anyway, right?

     
    They have every one's address, location, phone number, family , childhood pictures and  etc by social networks now they were missing people's fingerprint which could be accomplished this way. 

     

    Darn reptilians, taking over my guvvament!

     
    I'm pretty sure Apple have had some acknowledgement from big brother to implement this, now they are saying every thing is encrypted on your device and not sent to our servers ?!!

     

    Specifically said so, yes, and you'd know that if you cared about it enough to learn the truth.

     

  • Reply 113 of 150
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    derek1234 wrote: »
    I am going to put a thick sticker on the Home button disabling fingerprint stuff, I have never committed any crime so I don't see any reason to voluntarily give out my fingerprint.

    They have every one's address, location, phone number, family , childhood pictures and  etc by social networks now they were missing people's fingerprint which could be accomplished this way.

    I'm pretty sure Apple have had some acknowledgement from big brother to implement this, now they are saying every thing is encrypted on your device and not sent to our servers ?!!

    Next year they are going to say , well you know guys fingerprint is not that accurate and it's kind old, why don't give your DNA to unlock the iPhone's home screen ?!!!

    I just love it when people comment without knowing anything about what they are commenting on. Seriously, there is now plenty of information as to how this works. Apple made it VERY clear in their presentation today, that the fingerprint information never leaves your phone, and is encrypted. In addition the chip on your particular phone is the only device that can decrypt it easily, if at all. It works similarly to the hardware in Intel's chips that encrypts data. Hardware encryption is very difficult to break.

    Believe me, if you've done something so stupid that the NSA or FBI wants you, they will get you, fingerprint or not.
  • Reply 114 of 150
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    Man, was this disappointing or what? A year, they had a year and they come up with a fingerprint sensor that is good for nothing except unlocking you phone? This is all Apple is capable of? Really?


     

    Converting a micro kernel and operating system to 64 bit is a big under taking.  To me, this is also an indication of more powerful devices to come.  (See how long it takes Android to become 64 bit if ever.)

     

    The fingerprint sensor and the 64 bit operating system places Apple over the competition for years to come.

    I expect PassBook to soon carry all major credit cards with best in class security and ease of use.

     

    Time will tell.

  • Reply 115 of 150

    Has anyone watched the hands-on videos?  Have you noticed how painfully inept most tech journalists seem to be at following simple instructions?

     

    "Lift and rest your finger on the Home button repeatedly."

     

    It's amazing how many of these chuckleheads just glob their nerd finger on the Home button and wait ... derrrrrrrrr.

  • Reply 116 of 150
    Originally Posted by DethByUngaBunga View Post

    Has anyone watched the hands-on videos?  Have you noticed how painfully inept most tech journalists seem to be at following simple instructions?

     

    "Lift and rest your finger on the Home button repeatedly."

     

    It's amazing how many of these chuckleheads just glob their nerd finger on the Home button and wait ... derrrrrrrrr.


     

    And yet some people think the "lackluster applause" these imbeciles gave was indicative of Apple failing in some way.

  • Reply 117 of 150
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





    The stock dropped for one reason, and one reason only; the 5C is $549.



    I don't see how anyone could have though it was possible to have it any cheaper, considering what it was expected to be, but there you have it, crazy expectations.

     

    I think the more important reason is the missing large sized iPhone.  AAPL did not drop when the 5C price is announced.  It began dropping after the show is over.  It seems the market was waiting for the one last thing.  

     

    I am convinced there are quite a few consumers that want bigger phone over better phone.  Without a bigger phone Apple is giving up a growth opportunity.  Cheaper phone actually will lower gross margin which is not good for the stock.  

  • Reply 118 of 150

    Taken together, the camera, the A7 and the fingerprint sensor are a bit thin to be called a (major) overhaul. But I sure do like the fingerprint sensor. Great add on!

  • Reply 119 of 150
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    ...add an ultra-low power always-on motion sensor...

     

     

    I wonder if this is the first step in realising that patent that Apple applied for, wherein the phone's orientation is changed midway when it is falling to reduce the damage.

     

    Great post by the way.

  • Reply 120 of 150

    I thought the whole point of the 5c was to hit a lower price point. If so, they failed.

    The 5c unlocked sells for the same as the 5 does on Virgin Mobile at this point. If Samsung can make a profit selling Galaxy S IIIs for $300ish, I don't see why Apple can't make an iPhone for around the same price. A $550 phone is not going to significantly open any new markets for them. They are selling the iPhone 4 for around $300. Does the iPhone 4 really cost that much less to produce? No. Does the 5c really cost that much more to manufacture than an iPad mini? No. This is all about maximizing their profits.

     

    Apple makes a killing on their phones. They have significantly higher profit margins than their competitors, and they get the carriers to subsidize a higher portion of the largess. This has a downside for them though. In developing markets where most people are on pre-paid plans and for people like me who would rather pay $35 instead of $100 a month for cellphone service, the iPhone looks overpriced. Apple doesn't want to lower their unlocked price because it would spoil their sweet deal with the carriers. However, this means in terms of market share, Android is going to keep kicking Apple's butt.

     

    Why bother making a cheap phone, if it isn't cheap? For a $100 more, I'd rather get the 5s. The price differential between the two seems inadequate to make up for the difference in quality and features.

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