It's not going to sell. People are going to realize the color thing is just a gimmick. Inside it is identically an iPhone 5 100% -- nothing new.
Yeah, cause the iPhone 5 is just the most horrible thing ever, right? As of this moment, it's still the best overall smartphone on the planet. By a country mile. Other phones compete and possibly exceed the iPhone 5 in different areas. But there isn't a single phone out there that can match the overall package: Build quality, responsiveness, performance, ecosystem, camera, OS, support, features, stability, ease of use, apps, etc are all excellent. As an overall package, it will only be exceed by it's successors, the 5S and the 5C.
15 minutes in, you can still preorder the 5C with an est. delivery of 9/20. Doesn't seem to sell well.
Apple is doomed, right?
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch. Anyway as of 5 minutes ago, the store was still down for me, which may have been the case for many others.
People are already buying the 5. The 5c is the new 5 with style. Of course they will continue to buy it.
It will be the biggest launch ever for Apple.
Precisely my thinking. The point so many people seem to be forgetting is that the 5c is REPLACING the 5. It's not a new lower-class of phone. It's the middle tier. Only this time around the middle tier isn't last year's iPhone...it's an upgraded product. It has slightly improved low light for FT and slightly improved battery, but with plastic on the back instead of aluminum. When was the last time we got an incremental upgrade (albeit a very minor upgrade) for $100 LESS? It's a trade-off for those who detest plastic to be sure, but if you're ok with the new look then it's a no-brainer.
And while I'm on the topic of aesthetics, I have to say a lot of the people criticizing the 5c seem to be cynically pinning its hopes for success on silly teenagers or broadly-stereotyped color-crazed Chinese people (a generalization cited by the tech journalism community as support for wild speculation and rumor I might add) who only are concerned with aesthetics and don't care about the technical aspect. But aren't those who claim they would have preferred a discounted iPhone 5, which has slightly inferior internals, doing the very same thing? The only reason for someone to prefer the 5 would be for its anodized aluminum back. If they think that's a nicer-looking product then fine - but own up to the fact that that would be a choice based on aesthetics as well.
I for one am over the glass and aluminum. That's not to suggest the 5s isn't gorgeous because it is, but I'm personally more interested in the 5c. I don't ever play graphics-intensive games and although it's impressive I wouldn't choose the 5s for a fingerprint reader I don't need. I don't work for the CIA. Bring on something new and fun that won't shatter when dropped and doesn't look like a slightly taller version of a three-year-old design. That's just me. And potentially millions of others.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to dying my hair pink for this rave I'm spinning at later...
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch.
The pricing is beyond me. I can get the iP5 with higher-quality materials cheaper, so yeah, I hope the 5C fails and Apple has to lower the price by at least $100.
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch. Anyway as of 5 minutes ago, the store was still down for me, which may have been the case for many others.
Seeing how it's guts are largely re-purposed 5's, I'm sure there is plenty of stock on hand. And yes, it IS mostly the 5's internals, save for a new front facing camera. Why people are arguing this point is beyond me, and beyond ridiculous.
15 minutes in, you can still preorder the 5C with an est. delivery of 9/20. Doesn't seem to sell well.
Apple is doomed, right?
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch. Anyway as of 5 minutes ago, the store was still down for me, which may have been the case for many others.
Look the apple site and AT&T website is slammed right now. If this was simply last years model, do you think we would be having this problem?? Think about what you are saying people. It's already a success compared to selling a year old model. The store would not be slammed the way it is tonight if they were simply selling last years model....and we have not even gotten to the 5s sales yet. Genius.
Technically astute shoppers probably account for a very very small percentage of iPhone buyers. For the vast majority of people if the thing works, does what they want it to do, then all that is left is aesthetics.
I'm on the fence about that angle of the 5C (aesthetics). My heart says plastic, gimmicky... but with a hell of an OS that will work really well and do what people want it to do and then some.
... but so does an Android phone (to a degree where a lot of people are satisfied)... and quite a few of them are even cheaper.
I'm thinking that it won't sell even close to Apple's projected numbers (at the MSP)... and I haven't felt that way about an iPhone so far (at introduction).
If it sells by the double boat load, well, then I will have learned something.
We'll see.
First and foremost -- this is a forum for enthusiasts - passionate "core" customers - for either one side or the other...
These phones ARENT geared to their core market. doh!
I'm wondering when some here will "get it" that their (Apple) complete refresh cycle is more tied to CONTRACTS and that pool of buyers than it does anything else..
The "two year" overhauls speak to two different audiences... I'm wrong? Then just look at the pool of people that barely bought a 4 or 4s THIS YEAR...that SAME pool or demo WILL BUY these new dressed up less expensive but responsive phones.
My own sister whose got an old Same-sung dinosaur model suddenly called me after hearing the press reports this week -- she heard $99 and she's IN!
Some of you have your heads between your --- and need look beyond the pines -- this cycle will be a big one for Apple just like the 4s was a RECORD BREAKER...
I'm certain Apple very soon will be throwing us core customers a new bone or two and all this bitching will be a foregone conclusion..
I for one can't wait for the MAC PRO... Stop crying!
I'm wondering when some here will "get it" that their (Apple) complete refresh cycle is more tied to CONTRACTS and that pool of buyers than it does anything else..
That works for the US but despite your belief the US is not the center of the world. Apple needs to get more competitive in markets like Europe, India and China where a big majority of people buy their phones off-contract for the full price.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">I'm wondering when some here will "get it" that their (Apple) complete refresh cycle is more tied to CONTRACTS and that pool of buyers than it does anything else..</span>
That works for the US but despite your belief the US is not the center of the world. Apple needs to get more competitive in markets like Europe, India and China where a big majority of people buy their phones off-contract for the full price.
What Apple needs to do is maximize profits and sell every unit they can make as fast as they can make them. Right?
What kind if margin do you want apple to make on phones sold into India? Look at the bom cost of current iPhone. What kind of crappy phone would they need to build to get bom cost down to something affordable in India? Seriously?
What Apple needs to do is maximize profits and sell every unit they can make as fast as they can make them. Right?
There will always be cheaper phones. So what?
You can't ignore market share and be afraid of cannibalisation forever. Even Windows Phone catches up with iOS in countries like Germany, or it already has surpassed it in Italy or Greece.
Nobody expects them to sell an iPhone for $50 off-contract but like I said, if you put the iP5 internals into a "cheaper" plastic housing then lower the damn price by at least $100. At this price it's not competitive in Europe, let alone in India or China.
That works for the US but despite your belief the US is not the center of the world. Apple needs to get more competitive in markets like Europe, India and China where a big majority of people buy their phones off-contract for the full price.
Oh ok! The U.S. is such a small part of Apples market?!?!
That's like you "saying" the Galaxy is Same-sungs biggest selling smartphone -- worldwide... not!!!!
The 5 c will be a VOLUME seller... I mean can't you tell? The promo materials video etc show it literally being made by robotics - in mass -- that angle was taken intentionally...
The 5s not having a pre-sale seems by design as it's a given that some hardcores like myself WILL be in line on 9/20 ). I just might also get the "c" to take with me on the fly - to more places I'd be comfortable with a more durable device and keep my s nice and new )
You can't ignore market share and be afraid of <span style="line-height:1.4em;">cannibalisation forever. Even Windows Phone catches up with iOS in countries like Germany, or it already has surpassed it in Italy or Greece. </span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Nobody expects them to sell an iPhone for $50 off-contract but like I said, if you put the iP5 internals into a "cheaper" plastic housing then lower the damn price by at least $100. At this price it's not competitive in Europe, let alone in India or China.</span>
They did lower the price by $100.
The iPhone 5 sold for $650.
Apple has already showed a willingness for flexible pricing in developing markets like India.
Also, people dismissing the U.S. market are naive. There's PLENTY of untapped potential in the U.S. and I bet we can expect holiday discounts on the 5C ($49-79 on contract) that will result in massive sales.
What Apple needs to do is maximize profits and sell every unit they can make as fast as they can make them. Right?
There will always be cheaper phones. So what?
You can't ignore market share and be afraid of <span style="line-height:1.4em;">cannibalisation forever. Even Windows Phone catches up with iOS in countries like Germany, or it already has surpassed it in Italy or Greece. </span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Nobody expects them to sell an iPhone for $50 off-contract but like I said, if you put the iP5 internals into a "cheaper" plastic housing then lower the damn price by at least $100. At this price it's not competitive in Europe, let alone in India or China.</span>
I think Apple knows how to run their business better than you or I. So far iPhone sales continue to grow year over year. If that changes they will take whatever action THEY think maximizes profit first and foremost. Market share second.
You can't ignore market share and be afraid of <span style="line-height:1.4em;">cannibalisation forever. Even Windows Phone catches up with iOS in countries like Germany, or it already has surpassed it in Italy or Greece. </span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Nobody expects them to sell an iPhone for $50 off-contract but like I said, if you put the iP5 internals into a "cheaper" plastic housing then lower the damn price by at least $100. At this price it's not competitive in Europe, let alone in India or China.</span>
They did lower the price by $100.
The iPhone 5 sold for $650.
Apple has already showed a willingness for flexible pricing in developing markets like India.
Also, people dismissing the U.S. market are naive. There's PLENTY of untapped potential in the U.S. and I bet we can expect holiday discounts on the 5C ($49-79 on contract) that will result in massive sales.
Already happening. Walmart announced discount pricing for 5c and 5s. This is something I have not seen before.
Store goes down for 5c pre-orders? Good thing we can't pre-order the 5s!
store down for updating before new product, not because of high traffic.
I meant that it is a good thing we cannot pre-order the 5s as I'm sure Apple made enough to sell at retail or through websites, including their own. They don't need a pre-order system to see how many people want it, is all.
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It's not going to sell. People are going to realize the color thing is just a gimmick. Inside it is identically an iPhone 5 100% -- nothing new.
Yeah, cause the iPhone 5 is just the most horrible thing ever, right? As of this moment, it's still the best overall smartphone on the planet. By a country mile. Other phones compete and possibly exceed the iPhone 5 in different areas. But there isn't a single phone out there that can match the overall package: Build quality, responsiveness, performance, ecosystem, camera, OS, support, features, stability, ease of use, apps, etc are all excellent. As an overall package, it will only be exceed by it's successors, the 5S and the 5C.
The only thing that is a "gimmick", is you.
15 minutes in, you can still preorder the 5C with an est. delivery of 9/20. Doesn't seem to sell well.
Apple is doomed, right?
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch. Anyway as of 5 minutes ago, the store was still down for me, which may have been the case for many others.
Precisely my thinking. The point so many people seem to be forgetting is that the 5c is REPLACING the 5. It's not a new lower-class of phone. It's the middle tier. Only this time around the middle tier isn't last year's iPhone...it's an upgraded product. It has slightly improved low light for FT and slightly improved battery, but with plastic on the back instead of aluminum. When was the last time we got an incremental upgrade (albeit a very minor upgrade) for $100 LESS? It's a trade-off for those who detest plastic to be sure, but if you're ok with the new look then it's a no-brainer.
And while I'm on the topic of aesthetics, I have to say a lot of the people criticizing the 5c seem to be cynically pinning its hopes for success on silly teenagers or broadly-stereotyped color-crazed Chinese people (a generalization cited by the tech journalism community as support for wild speculation and rumor I might add) who only are concerned with aesthetics and don't care about the technical aspect. But aren't those who claim they would have preferred a discounted iPhone 5, which has slightly inferior internals, doing the very same thing? The only reason for someone to prefer the 5 would be for its anodized aluminum back. If they think that's a nicer-looking product then fine - but own up to the fact that that would be a choice based on aesthetics as well.
I for one am over the glass and aluminum. That's not to suggest the 5s isn't gorgeous because it is, but I'm personally more interested in the 5c. I don't ever play graphics-intensive games and although it's impressive I wouldn't choose the 5s for a fingerprint reader I don't need. I don't work for the CIA. Bring on something new and fun that won't shatter when dropped and doesn't look like a slightly taller version of a three-year-old design. That's just me. And potentially millions of others.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to dying my hair pink for this rave I'm spinning at later...
Apple is doomed, right?
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch.
The pricing is beyond me. I can get the iP5 with higher-quality materials cheaper, so yeah, I hope the 5C fails and Apple has to lower the price by at least $100.
Apple is doomed, right?
Or, you know, maybe they have a shitload of stock, and are ready for this launch. Anyway as of 5 minutes ago, the store was still down for me, which may have been the case for many others.
Seeing how it's guts are largely re-purposed 5's, I'm sure there is plenty of stock on hand. And yes, it IS mostly the 5's internals, save for a new front facing camera. Why people are arguing this point is beyond me, and beyond ridiculous.
Look the apple site and AT&T website is slammed right now. If this was simply last years model, do you think we would be having this problem?? Think about what you are saying people. It's already a success compared to selling a year old model. The store would not be slammed the way it is tonight if they were simply selling last years model....and we have not even gotten to the 5s sales yet. Genius.
First and foremost -- this is a forum for enthusiasts - passionate "core" customers - for either one side or the other...
These phones ARENT geared to their core market. doh!
I'm wondering when some here will "get it" that their (Apple) complete refresh cycle is more tied to CONTRACTS and that pool of buyers than it does anything else..
The "two year" overhauls speak to two different audiences... I'm wrong? Then just look at the pool of people that barely bought a 4 or 4s THIS YEAR...that SAME pool or demo WILL BUY these new dressed up less expensive but responsive phones.
My own sister whose got an old Same-sung dinosaur model suddenly called me after hearing the press reports this week -- she heard $99 and she's IN!
Some of you have your heads between your --- and need look beyond the pines -- this cycle will be a big one for Apple just like the 4s was a RECORD BREAKER...
I'm certain Apple very soon will be throwing us core customers a new bone or two and all this bitching will be a foregone conclusion..
I for one can't wait for the MAC PRO... Stop crying!
I'm wondering when some here will "get it" that their (Apple) complete refresh cycle is more tied to CONTRACTS and that pool of buyers than it does anything else..
That works for the US but despite your belief the US is not the center of the world. Apple needs to get more competitive in markets like Europe, India and China where a big majority of people buy their phones off-contract for the full price.
What kind if margin do you want apple to make on phones sold into India? Look at the bom cost of current iPhone. What kind of crappy phone would they need to build to get bom cost down to something affordable in India? Seriously?
What Apple needs to do is maximize profits and sell every unit they can make as fast as they can make them. Right?
There will always be cheaper phones. So what?
You can't ignore market share and be afraid of cannibalisation forever. Even Windows Phone catches up with iOS in countries like Germany, or it already has surpassed it in Italy or Greece.
Nobody expects them to sell an iPhone for $50 off-contract but like I said, if you put the iP5 internals into a "cheaper" plastic housing then lower the damn price by at least $100. At this price it's not competitive in Europe, let alone in India or China.
Oh ok! The U.S. is such a small part of Apples market?!?!
That's like you "saying" the Galaxy is Same-sungs biggest selling smartphone -- worldwide... not!!!!
The 5 c will be a VOLUME seller... I mean can't you tell? The promo materials video etc show it literally being made by robotics - in mass -- that angle was taken intentionally...
The 5s not having a pre-sale seems by design as it's a given that some hardcores like myself WILL be in line on 9/20
They did lower the price by $100.
The iPhone 5 sold for $650.
Apple has already showed a willingness for flexible pricing in developing markets like India.
Also, people dismissing the U.S. market are naive. There's PLENTY of untapped potential in the U.S. and I bet we can expect holiday discounts on the 5C ($49-79 on contract) that will result in massive sales.
I think Apple knows how to run their business better than you or I. So far iPhone sales continue to grow year over year. If that changes they will take whatever action THEY think maximizes profit first and foremost. Market share second.
They did lower the price by $100.
The iPhone 5 sold for $650.
With the introduction of the 5S, the 5 would've been priced at $550 regardless.
I meant that it is a good thing we cannot pre-order the 5s as I'm sure Apple made enough to sell at retail or through websites, including their own. They don't need a pre-order system to see how many people want it, is all.
No one said the site went down. The Store went down to update it with the 5c.
I think you need to go back to school, for some serious 1 on 1.
Who says? Just because they've done that in the past? The BOM for the 5 may have cost too much to do that.
Nevertheless, the price did drop $100 for a phone that's still high-end and was selling very well.
What you're saying is that by going to plastic Apple should somehow be able to drop it $200 while not destroying margins. Right.