Apple should listen to the vocal minority, the insecure spec chasers. If and when that day comes, I'll fondly remember iPhones that fit in our pocket, had a great battery life, and weep for the rest of us.
The only failure on Apple's part was to underestimate their customer's DEMAND for the very best tech in a perfectly designed phone that money... any amount of it... can buy.
The 5c is better tech-wise than the 5. Going backwards to plastic... no matter how polycarbonated and "unapologetic" it is... was not a good idea. Sir Jony needed to work a little longer and come up with a less expensive way to manufacture an "aluminium" case... hate to say it... but I do like hearing him say aluminium every time.... :smokey:
The 3G and 3GS were plastic phones (and flagship models to boot). I don't remember people complaining about them being plastic. All the reviews I've read from 5C owners have been positive. The only people that seem to have an issue with the 5C are those who never were going to buy it anyway.
Somebody, clueless as usual, starts a rumor, it gets picked up by rumor websites, gets repeated, then WSJ, CNN gets wind of the rumor, repeats it, then the rumor websites cite the WSJ sources, repeat it again, suggesting that their original rumor has been confirmed as true.
Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.
I never said those breakthroughs were revolutionary in any way. They're evolutionary just like every iteration of the original iPhone is, including every Android phone made since. However analysts did miss these.
Touch ID is better than entering a code every time. It also helps with app purchases. Evolutionary but better than before.
64 bit processor, I'll give you. The benefits are not visible immediately to the end user.
Motion co-processor, depending on apps can be visible to user. Strava, map my run etc. Battery life could also be affected too. So yes user benefits.
But in the end, the point I made was about stuff that analysts totally missed. And as for your little remark about them being better at it than me, well, I don't pretend to be one. They do.
I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.
As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.
Where have you been? The WSJ is a joke. They are no different than any other "newspaper" making up stuff to sell clicks. From the sound of your comment, you probably are a WSJ employee. When someone says "sources" they are simply hiding the fact they either made up the information of someone inside Apple or a supplier is committing a crime by releasing the information. Apple employees are fired for things like this. You must be a new to all the garbage coming out of places like the WSJ. This is typical of the WSJ and other media sources. Make something up to manipulate the stock market.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
... and yet, the contrary seems to be a common thread when people discuss Android phone users on AI.
I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.
As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.
Spoken like a Wall Street clown. Your view is very limited. Apple has multiple agendas. If they wanted to purely optimize their product line, AppleTV and many other products would have been ditched long ago. There is a bigger picture here than you understand. And WSJ regularly gets it wrong. And I'm doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.
I could see Apple going with the 4.8" new size for 2 models, and discontinuing everything that came before it.
But why would they do that?
It seems much more likely that the new flagship iPhone be a the 4.8" model at $199, the 5S becomes $99, and the 5C becomes $0, and finally replaces the 4S.
Where's your source that it was a flop? Point me to sales data from Apple that shows it was a flop.
Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.
But of course, for some people here the IIvx and IIvi were great successes, right?
Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.
Every possible data? Please link to ANY. All data I'm aware of shows the 5C selling approximately equal to or better than the 4S in the year-over-year time frame.
Apple's only goal with the 5C at $99 was to sell equal to or better than the 4S did at $99.
Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.
I'm pretty certain, that last year's "breakthroughs" for an "s" model, were not lost on anyone. TouchID is immensely popular and is not a flop or gimmick...it works, and has dramatically improved the user experience. As has the camera.
I'm sure the the M7 motion coprocessor is lost on just about everyone, as no one knows what it is. But I think we can agree that was never meant to drive sales, the way TouchID did.
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The New York Times is the most respected paper in the world -- not the Wall Street Journal.
His rumor-fueled fantasies are his source that he was right and everyone else was wrong. Now who's laughing? (We are, still)
Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.
Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now.
Hmmmm... I guess it depends on one's description of a "flop".
I have always contended that it hasn't lived up to Apple's expectations. Whether that could be called a flop or not would be up for debate.
Can anyone say "echo chamber"?
Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.
I never said those breakthroughs were revolutionary in any way. They're evolutionary just like every iteration of the original iPhone is, including every Android phone made since. However analysts did miss these.
Touch ID is better than entering a code every time. It also helps with app purchases. Evolutionary but better than before.
64 bit processor, I'll give you. The benefits are not visible immediately to the end user.
Motion co-processor, depending on apps can be visible to user. Strava, map my run etc. Battery life could also be affected too. So yes user benefits.
But in the end, the point I made was about stuff that analysts totally missed. And as for your little remark about them being better at it than me, well, I don't pretend to be one. They do.
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I expect a phone keeping the current screen size, the 5S or a 6C.
And a metallic one with a larger screen.
Both with the same internals.
I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.
As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.
Where have you been? The WSJ is a joke. They are no different than any other "newspaper" making up stuff to sell clicks. From the sound of your comment, you probably are a WSJ employee. When someone says "sources" they are simply hiding the fact they either made up the information of someone inside Apple or a supplier is committing a crime by releasing the information. Apple employees are fired for things like this. You must be a new to all the garbage coming out of places like the WSJ. This is typical of the WSJ and other media sources. Make something up to manipulate the stock market.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
... and yet, the contrary seems to be a common thread when people discuss Android phone users on AI.
I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.
As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.
Spoken like a Wall Street clown. Your view is very limited. Apple has multiple agendas. If they wanted to purely optimize their product line, AppleTV and many other products would have been ditched long ago. There is a bigger picture here than you understand. And WSJ regularly gets it wrong. And I'm doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.
I could see Apple going with the 4.8" new size for 2 models, and discontinuing everything that came before it.
But why would they do that?
It seems much more likely that the new flagship iPhone be a the 4.8" model at $199, the 5S becomes $99, and the 5C becomes $0, and finally replaces the 4S.
That seems to make the most sense, no?
Where's your source that it was a flop? Point me to sales data from Apple that shows it was a flop.
Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.
But of course, for some people here the IIvx and IIvi were great successes, right?
As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world,
BLOLOL! That gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that.
Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.
Every possible data? Please link to ANY. All data I'm aware of shows the 5C selling approximately equal to or better than the 4S in the year-over-year time frame.
Apple's only goal with the 5C at $99 was to sell equal to or better than the 4S did at $99.
Apple's only goal with the 5C at $99 was to sell equal to or better than the 4S did at $99.
Is that you, Tim?
Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.
I'm pretty certain, that last year's "breakthroughs" for an "s" model, were not lost on anyone. TouchID is immensely popular and is not a flop or gimmick...it works, and has dramatically improved the user experience. As has the camera.
I'm sure the the M7 motion coprocessor is lost on just about everyone, as no one knows what it is. But I think we can agree that was never meant to drive sales, the way TouchID did.