I doubt any significant number of people only use their iPhone/iPod as their computing device. That's why it's silly to count them when comparing with Windows pcs.
My hairdresser uses an iPhone exclusively. So do all her friends; no PC's in their homes. But yes, probably an insignificant number, though I do wonder how many hairdressers there are in the world and if the use a PC.
1) Zero for creating spreadsheet on my iPhone, but also zero for my iPad, MBP, iMac, and netbook.
I mostly create spreadsheets at home, on OSX. And edit them on my iPhone or iPad. I do make full use of the synching capabilities, something I don't see in PC-land, natively.
2) For word processor documents I do this extensively on my iPhone, and pretty much no where else. I do this in the Notes apps where I have multiple notes covering many topics.
I do this extensively. The Notes app is simply great for keeping simple lists, copy/paste stuff. It all syncs across, I love it, Use it daily.
5) Note that I mentioned I have a netbook. For sending and receiving Pings when testing my network labs
I thought you where using 2 iOS apps for this. They didn't live up to their expectation? Or does it have a RS-232 plug for Cisco maintenance?
I doubt any significant number of people only use their iPhone/iPod as their computing device. That's why it's silly to count them when comparing with Windows pcs.
This is very short-sighted, the comparisons are certainly not silly.
Just take one look at the graph and you'll immediately see that iOS (as a mobile computing platform) has grown immensely.
Is it NOT obvious from these and many other indicators that in 3-5 years, mobile (phone-like) devices WILL replace a LARGE number of desktop PCs?!...albeit with mobile devices gaining power/speed/efficiency.
Also, I'm SURE there are a significant number of people who already use their smart phones INSTEAD of using their pc many times during the day. It's just a matter of time...many PCs will find their way to the trash can and will not be replaced.
I think that might be the reason we see so many issues with labeling around here. People focus on what it can't do and then decide that it therefore must not fall under the purview of the previous definition. From the OS standpoint the notebook did pretty well compared to the desktop but that is pretty rare when evolving technologies.
People forget that smartphones are usually as powerful as desktop computers of 5-10 years ago. Most of my computing needs are handled quite easily by my smartphone.
I don't even consider performance as part of the definition, just its utility. It really is funny that the iPad was deemed "a large iPod Touch" but now that it's clear people are replacing their WinPCs with tablets for everyday use those goal posts have at least moved.
My hairdresser uses an iPhone exclusively. So do all her friends; no PC's in their homes. But yes, probably an insignificant number, though I do wonder how many hairdressers there are in the world and if the use a PC.
My roommate only had an iPhone for all his computing needs when I moved in. For the most part it was fine but he's a professor at a college which makes far from the best tool for creating tests.
I thought you where using 2 iOS apps for this. They didn't live up to their expectation? Or does it have a RS-232 plug for Cisco maintenance?
I have my Mac to connect to my lab equipment. I never did buy the adapter to do this from my iPad or iPhone. There are simply too many files to be moved around that make using the "truck" better for this task than using my "compact car," as Jobs described the future of the PC.
PS: I wonder if the cost of those adapters have come down? I'll have to check but now it's time for The LEGO Movie.
So my car is a PC? It has at least as many functions as the Samsung smart watch.
I have yet to see a car that can send and receive emails, surf the web, and do all the other common personal computing tasks we're familiar with, but if yours can then I would say your car has a PC in it. But calling it a PC is pretty silly. My car certainly has a computer in it (I assume many computers) but it's not a personal computer. It's a personal vehicle, just like your WiFi router is a computer and your personal router but it is not a personal computer.
So my car is a PC? It has at least as many functions as the Samsung smart watch.
I have yet to see a car that can send and receive emails, surf the web, and do all the other common personal computing tasks we're familiar with, but if yours can then I would say your car has a PC in it. But calling it a PC is pretty silly. My car certainly has a computer in it (I assume many computers) but it's not a personal computer. It's a personal vehicle, just like your WiFi router is a computer and your personal router but it is not a personal computer.
The car has everything. a screen, text to voice, voice commands, nav, a hard drive, music, lots of setting to control the vehicle. It even connect to the cell phone just like the smart watch.. It even automatically contacts the dealership to make service appointment. Just because it has wheels why is it not the same as a smart watch which has a wrist band which is not normally found on a PC?
I'm just saying calling a smart watch a PC is just as silly in my opinion.
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I have yet to see a car that can send and receive emails, surf the web, and do all the other common personal computing tasks we're familiar with, but if yours can then I would say your car <i>has</i> a PC in it. But calling it a PC is pretty silly. My car certainly has a computer in it (I assume many computers) but it's not a <i>personal</i> computer. It's a <i>personal</i> vehicle, just like your WiFi router is a computer and your personal router but it is not a <i>personal</i> computer.</div></div><p> </p>
The car has everything. a screen, text to voice, voice commands, nav, a hard drive, music, lots of setting to control the vehicle. It even connect to the cell phone just like the smart watch.. It even automatically contacts the dealership to make service appointment. Just because it has wheels why is it not the same as a smart watch which has a wrist band which is not normally found on a PC?
I'm just saying calling a smart watch a PC is just as silly in my opinion.
You're really missing the point and I am surprised by this. I have absolutely no ideas what wheels have to do with anything.
It's not a personal computing device for the same reason the multitude of Windows-based point-of-sale, vending, tm live ticket purchase, etc. are not personal computing devices. These embedded OSes have the capacity for networking, web browser, 3rd-party apps, etc., but it's use is specifically as a dedicated appliance, which is exactly how your car's OS(es) uses its computer(s).
You're really missing the point and I am surprised by this. I have absolutely no ideas what wheels have to do with anything.
It's not a personal computing device for the same reason the multitude of Windows-based point-of-sale, vending, tm live ticket purchase, etc. are not personal computing devices. These embedded OSes have the capacity for networking, web browser, 3rd-party apps, etc., but it's use is specifically as a dedicated appliance, which is exactly how your car's OS(es) uses its computer(s).
No I am just saying that if a smart watch is a PC then so is my car. It has almost all the same features as a smart watch. It is a $70K computer on wheels but it is not a PC and neither is a smart watch.
To me a PC is any device that can replace the need for a traditional computer for which the iPad barely qualifies. I can't imagine anyone going to the Apple store planning to buy a PC and end up walking out with an iPhone instead.
The biggest one is that I find several sites that just don't behave well on iPad. The hardware (iPad 3) often doesn't seem to be up to the task. iOS Safari seems to crash a lot more. Maybe it's the site's fault, I don't know. But even my 2007 MBP handle same sites just fine.
Even in iOS 7, leave a tab alone long enough (seems half hour) and it has to reload when I revisit it, even in the same browsing session. I never get that on Windows or MacOS, it stayed loaded.
Downloaded file handling seems a bit limited.
I'd also like to "print" a page to PDF. But that need really only came up once on iOS, though I use it a lot on the desktop.
I do this extensively. The Notes app is simply great for keeping simple lists, copy/paste stuff. It all syncs across, I love it, Use it daily.
My comment was directed more to full fledged, formal documents that would be sent to a client which is something you probably wouldn't do on an iPhone. I understand that the notes app is good for lists, but chances are you wouldn't be composing a simple list on your pc anyways. You would probably would just use pen and paper.
No I am just saying that if a smart watch is a PC then so is my car. It has almost all the same features as a smart watch. It is a $70K computer on wheels but it is not a PC and neither is a smart watch.
To me a PC is any device that can replace the need for a traditional computer for which the iPad barely qualifies.
Just because your car has computers to adjust the suspension and ride, engine performance, HVAC, power steering, etc. and the car is your personal vehicle doesn't mean you can conflate the two to call it a personal computer. It's not, but a smartwatch or other wearable, like Google Glass, that has an SDK, 3rd-party apps, and many options for doing the augmenting the same tasks you may have done with your iPhone which has augmented takes you would have done on a "PC" is why they are are personal computers. Nothing you've stated about your car substitutes the primary tasks you used these other personal computers for.
I can't imagine anyone going to the Apple store planning to buy a PC and end up walking out with an iPhone instead.
Of course not, because you've specifically chosen to word your comment to make Macs only viable definition for "PC" in that sentence which I find disingenuous.
Just like with people thinking iBeacon nodes can't be used with non-Apple devices despite it being BLE you won't see Apple call these personal computers but that's marketing. You also won't hear Apple calling their Macs PCs unless it's in reference to the market or actually has a marketing benefit. See: Mac v PC ads.
edit: I don't think Apple's rumored iWatch (or whatever they may bring to the wearable market) will be a personal computer (at least not right away), but rather an accessory device to aid in the usage of personal computing devices, like the iPhone, iPad and possibly the Mac. I don't expect it to try to be the everything device that the current lot of smartwatches are trying to be. They want to be a smartphone and watch and they fail at both, much like the MS Surface failing as both a notebook-esque and tablet "PC".
My comment was directed more to full fledged, formal documents that would be sent to a client which is something you probably wouldn't do on an iPhone. I understand that the notes app is good for lists, but chances are you wouldn't be composing a simple list on your pc anyways. You would probably would just use pen and paper.
1) Full-fledged, formal documents are possible and can actually much larger than much more complex than they ever could be with Lotus 1-2-3 or MacWrite, but even if they weren't that does not mean these devices wouldn't be personal computing devices.
2) The Notes app is for lists? You do know there is an app built-into IOS and Mac OS X that are designed specifically for lists. It's called Reminders and works great. In Notes I have a lot of data. paragraphs upon paragraphs of data, includes charts and images I'm added to some of them.
now we also including iPod touch on the "apple computer" list?
It's probably not ideal for being stationary, certainly has connectivity limited compared to the iPhone, and has 1/8th the display area of the iPad but why would you not count it if, presumably, you are counting the iPhone and iPad?
If there is one thing I hate about Apple bashers it is the way they distort the facts and present them in such a way as to be dishonest and misleading.
The word "computer" is commonly accepted to mean "personal computer" as in Mac or PC. My car has a computer that manages all sorts of stuff, but it doesn't show up in a chart of "computers."
The title of this article is intentionally misleading and supported by childish logic. It is absurdly transparent and thoroughly unprofessional. It is fanboism and does nothing but provide ammunition to Apple bashers.
Change the headline. If you don't, the principal may force you to repeat second grade.
Stupid comparison. You could just as easily say Samsung sold more computers than apple and Microsoft partners combined.
You could say that, but it would be wrong (not all Samsung phones are smartphones) and even if it were true it would be making a completely different point. The point this comparison makes has nothing to do with Android, or even that much to do with Apple and iOS. The article is about Microsoft, and how it's cash cow business, the desktop OS, is being overtaken by the mobile OS. Apple is just being used illustratively there, you could use Android instead if you wanted, but Apple is a nice one to use because of the companies' respective histories.
but even if they weren't that does not mean these devices wouldn't be personal computing devices.
This description I am fine with. Personal Computers has had a implied definition since the first Apple and IBM versions. Early on the term PC was hijacked to mean Windows computers but now is again being repurposed to mean any device that can surf the web and send email. So far I don't think any of the smart watches can actually do that. I believe they all need to be connected to a smart phone.
This description I am fine with. Personal Computers has had a implied definition since the first Apple and IBM versions. Early on the term PC was hijacked to mean Windows computers but now is again being repurposed to mean any device that can surf the web and send email. So far I don't think any of the smart watches can actually do that. I believe they all need to be connected to a smart phone.
OK, I just checked. Neither the Galaxy Gear nor the Sony SmartWatch 2 ship with web browsers, even though it's possible to install them since they running Android and have an app store, so mea culpa on thinking those devices do come with web browsers built-in.
I had thought it was included because I have seen the Sony SmartWatch 2 in the flesh. The person who showed it to me demoed it and was pretty happy about it (his son works for Sony). It had a web browser app installed, so I'd say that the included features, the app store, and his inclusion of a web browser — a necessary part of today's personal computing needs — would make that a personal computer for him… assuming he's actually using it as such and not just for demos.
Google Glass also has a "full" web browser.
Note: I want to be clear how foolish I think it is for a wrist-worn device to include such an app due to its many HW limitations. Perhaps if voice (or thought) commands get better that will change, but for now it's just as silly for put a personal computer into a watch as it was to slap Windows OS (desktop) into a tablet or MS thinking that the Surface would be a "no compromise" machine instead of an "all compromise" machine.
The word "computer" is commonly accepted to mean "personal computer" as in Mac or PC. My car has a computer that manages all sorts of stuff, but it doesn't show up in a chart of "computers."
So for the rest of time, a computer is strictly defined as a Mac or Windows PC. So Linux boxes, Chromebooks will never ever be considered a "personal" computer. Ok.
Perhaps you didn't read the headline. Go check it again.
It lumps all of Apple's devices together and then compares this with "Microsoft's Windows PC partners." It does not say "all OS X machines." It does specifically say "PC" and it specifically says "Windows."
Perhaps you didn't read the headline. Go check it again.
It lumps all of Apple's devices together and then compares this with "Microsoft's Windows PC partners." It does not say "all OS X machines." It does specifically say "PC" and it specifically says "Windows."
If you're confused by the headline then read the article.
My comment was directed more to full fledged, formal documents that would be sent to a client which is something you probably wouldn't do on an iPhone. I understand that the notes app is good for lists, but chances are you wouldn't be composing a simple list on your pc anyways. You would probably would just use pen and paper.
Ah ok, Word Processing then. No, I don't do that on my iPhone. I do use Numbers, work on them on the iPhone, iPad and my desktop. And yes, I have created spreadsheets solely on my iPhone and mailed them to people. Start to finish; it's a neat app. Useful.
Ah ok, Word Processing then. No, I don't do that on my iPhone. I do use Numbers, work on them on the iPhone, iPad and my desktop. And yes, I have created spreadsheets solely on my iPhone and mailed them to people. Start to finish; it's a neat app. Useful.
If you look at what the Notes app can do it's definitely a word processor.
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My hairdresser uses an iPhone exclusively. So do all her friends; no PC's in their homes. But yes, probably an insignificant number, though I do wonder how many hairdressers there are in the world and if the use a PC.
I mostly create spreadsheets at home, on OSX. And edit them on my iPhone or iPad. I do make full use of the synching capabilities, something I don't see in PC-land, natively.
I do this extensively. The Notes app is simply great for keeping simple lists, copy/paste stuff. It all syncs across, I love it, Use it daily.
I thought you where using 2 iOS apps for this. They didn't live up to their expectation? Or does it have a RS-232 plug for Cisco maintenance?
I doubt any significant number of people only use their iPhone/iPod as their computing device. That's why it's silly to count them when comparing with Windows pcs.
This is very short-sighted, the comparisons are certainly not silly.
Just take one look at the graph and you'll immediately see that iOS (as a mobile computing platform) has grown immensely.
Is it NOT obvious from these and many other indicators that in 3-5 years, mobile (phone-like) devices WILL replace a LARGE number of desktop PCs?!...albeit with mobile devices gaining power/speed/efficiency.
Also, I'm SURE there are a significant number of people who already use their smart phones INSTEAD of using their pc many times during the day. It's just a matter of time...many PCs will find their way to the trash can and will not be replaced.
I think that might be the reason we see so many issues with labeling around here. People focus on what it can't do and then decide that it therefore must not fall under the purview of the previous definition. From the OS standpoint the notebook did pretty well compared to the desktop but that is pretty rare when evolving technologies.
I don't even consider performance as part of the definition, just its utility. It really is funny that the iPad was deemed "a large iPod Touch" but now that it's clear people are replacing their WinPCs with tablets for everyday use those goal posts have at least moved.
My roommate only had an iPhone for all his computing needs when I moved in. For the most part it was fine but he's a professor at a college which makes far from the best tool for creating tests.
I have my Mac to connect to my lab equipment. I never did buy the adapter to do this from my iPad or iPhone. There are simply too many files to be moved around that make using the "truck" better for this task than using my "compact car," as Jobs described the future of the PC.
PS: I wonder if the cost of those adapters have come down? I'll have to check but now it's time for The LEGO Movie.
I have yet to see a car that can send and receive emails, surf the web, and do all the other common personal computing tasks we're familiar with, but if yours can then I would say your car has a PC in it. But calling it a PC is pretty silly. My car certainly has a computer in it (I assume many computers) but it's not a personal computer. It's a personal vehicle, just like your WiFi router is a computer and your personal router but it is not a personal computer.
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So my car is a PC? It has at least as many functions as the Samsung smart watch.
I have yet to see a car that can send and receive emails, surf the web, and do all the other common personal computing tasks we're familiar with, but if yours can then I would say your car has a PC in it. But calling it a PC is pretty silly. My car certainly has a computer in it (I assume many computers) but it's not a personal computer. It's a personal vehicle, just like your WiFi router is a computer and your personal router but it is not a personal computer.
The car has everything. a screen, text to voice, voice commands, nav, a hard drive, music, lots of setting to control the vehicle. It even connect to the cell phone just like the smart watch.. It even automatically contacts the dealership to make service appointment. Just because it has wheels why is it not the same as a smart watch which has a wrist band which is not normally found on a PC?I'm just saying calling a smart watch a PC is just as silly in my opinion.
You're really missing the point and I am surprised by this. I have absolutely no ideas what wheels have to do with anything.
It's not a personal computing device for the same reason the multitude of Windows-based point-of-sale, vending, tm live ticket purchase, etc. are not personal computing devices. These embedded OSes have the capacity for networking, web browser, 3rd-party apps, etc., but it's use is specifically as a dedicated appliance, which is exactly how your car's OS(es) uses its computer(s).
I can't find a minus.
You're really missing the point and I am surprised by this. I have absolutely no ideas what wheels have to do with anything.
It's not a personal computing device for the same reason the multitude of Windows-based point-of-sale, vending, tm live ticket purchase, etc. are not personal computing devices. These embedded OSes have the capacity for networking, web browser, 3rd-party apps, etc., but it's use is specifically as a dedicated appliance, which is exactly how your car's OS(es) uses its computer(s).
No I am just saying that if a smart watch is a PC then so is my car. It has almost all the same features as a smart watch. It is a $70K computer on wheels but it is not a PC and neither is a smart watch.
To me a PC is any device that can replace the need for a traditional computer for which the iPad barely qualifies. I can't imagine anyone going to the Apple store planning to buy a PC and end up walking out with an iPhone instead.
The biggest one is that I find several sites that just don't behave well on iPad. The hardware (iPad 3) often doesn't seem to be up to the task. iOS Safari seems to crash a lot more. Maybe it's the site's fault, I don't know. But even my 2007 MBP handle same sites just fine.
Even in iOS 7, leave a tab alone long enough (seems half hour) and it has to reload when I revisit it, even in the same browsing session. I never get that on Windows or MacOS, it stayed loaded.
Downloaded file handling seems a bit limited.
I'd also like to "print" a page to PDF. But that need really only came up once on iOS, though I use it a lot on the desktop.
I do this extensively. The Notes app is simply great for keeping simple lists, copy/paste stuff. It all syncs across, I love it, Use it daily.
My comment was directed more to full fledged, formal documents that would be sent to a client which is something you probably wouldn't do on an iPhone. I understand that the notes app is good for lists, but chances are you wouldn't be composing a simple list on your pc anyways. You would probably would just use pen and paper.
now we also including iPod touch on the "apple computer" list?
Just because your car has computers to adjust the suspension and ride, engine performance, HVAC, power steering, etc. and the car is your personal vehicle doesn't mean you can conflate the two to call it a personal computer. It's not, but a smartwatch or other wearable, like Google Glass, that has an SDK, 3rd-party apps, and many options for doing the augmenting the same tasks you may have done with your iPhone which has augmented takes you would have done on a "PC" is why they are are personal computers. Nothing you've stated about your car substitutes the primary tasks you used these other personal computers for.
Of course not, because you've specifically chosen to word your comment to make Macs only viable definition for "PC" in that sentence which I find disingenuous.
Just like with people thinking iBeacon nodes can't be used with non-Apple devices despite it being BLE you won't see Apple call these personal computers but that's marketing. You also won't hear Apple calling their Macs PCs unless it's in reference to the market or actually has a marketing benefit. See: Mac v PC ads.
edit: I don't think Apple's rumored iWatch (or whatever they may bring to the wearable market) will be a personal computer (at least not right away), but rather an accessory device to aid in the usage of personal computing devices, like the iPhone, iPad and possibly the Mac. I don't expect it to try to be the everything device that the current lot of smartwatches are trying to be. They want to be a smartphone and watch and they fail at both, much like the MS Surface failing as both a notebook-esque and tablet "PC".
1) Full-fledged, formal documents are possible and can actually much larger than much more complex than they ever could be with Lotus 1-2-3 or MacWrite, but even if they weren't that does not mean these devices wouldn't be personal computing devices.
2) The Notes app is for lists? You do know there is an app built-into IOS and Mac OS X that are designed specifically for lists. It's called Reminders and works great. In Notes I have a lot of data. paragraphs upon paragraphs of data, includes charts and images I'm added to some of them.
It's probably not ideal for being stationary, certainly has connectivity limited compared to the iPhone, and has 1/8th the display area of the iPad but why would you not count it if, presumably, you are counting the iPhone and iPad?
The word "computer" is commonly accepted to mean "personal computer" as in Mac or PC. My car has a computer that manages all sorts of stuff, but it doesn't show up in a chart of "computers."
The title of this article is intentionally misleading and supported by childish logic. It is absurdly transparent and thoroughly unprofessional. It is fanboism and does nothing but provide ammunition to Apple bashers.
Change the headline. If you don't, the principal may force you to repeat second grade.
This description I am fine with. Personal Computers has had a implied definition since the first Apple and IBM versions. Early on the term PC was hijacked to mean Windows computers but now is again being repurposed to mean any device that can surf the web and send email. So far I don't think any of the smart watches can actually do that. I believe they all need to be connected to a smart phone.
OK, I just checked. Neither the Galaxy Gear nor the Sony SmartWatch 2 ship with web browsers, even though it's possible to install them since they running Android and have an app store, so mea culpa on thinking those devices do come with web browsers built-in.
I had thought it was included because I have seen the Sony SmartWatch 2 in the flesh. The person who showed it to me demoed it and was pretty happy about it (his son works for Sony). It had a web browser app installed, so I'd say that the included features, the app store, and his inclusion of a web browser — a necessary part of today's personal computing needs — would make that a personal computer for him… assuming he's actually using it as such and not just for demos.
Google Glass also has a "full" web browser.
Note: I want to be clear how foolish I think it is for a wrist-worn device to include such an app due to its many HW limitations. Perhaps if voice (or thought) commands get better that will change, but for now it's just as silly for put a personal computer into a watch as it was to slap Windows OS (desktop) into a tablet or MS thinking that the Surface would be a "no compromise" machine instead of an "all compromise" machine.
Perhaps you didn't read the headline. Go check it again.
It lumps all of Apple's devices together and then compares this with "Microsoft's Windows PC partners." It does not say "all OS X machines." It does specifically say "PC" and it specifically says "Windows."
If you're confused by the headline then read the article.
Ah ok, Word Processing then. No, I don't do that on my iPhone. I do use Numbers, work on them on the iPhone, iPad and my desktop. And yes, I have created spreadsheets solely on my iPhone and mailed them to people. Start to finish; it's a neat app. Useful.
If you look at what the Notes app can do it's definitely a word processor.