Releasing a 8g phone is just plain insulting to me. Its like those guys are stuck in a loop and just cant innovate anymore. They doing this because thats what they usually do? JC, unreal.
They could lower the number of colors so managing is easier , they are others ways than releasing a nerf phone. How about optimizing production and just drop the price?
I'm glad you're insulted. I hope Apple continually manage to insult you.
Cook never said that, as you know. I don't like lies.
Not in exact words...
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Bank of Montreal: Tim, Growing iPhones 7%, market will be 14%. Are you happy with pricing umbrellas you have? In particular the 5C?
Cook: last quarter we did a tremendous job, mix. Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought. If we decide it's in our interest to make a change, then we make one. Not going to predict price changes on the call. Our line in the sand is making something that's not fantastic.
This is what was expected.....at the time of launch last September it was said that instead of offering a $0 / 8 GB 5c, Apple would continue to offering the iPhone 4S for a limited period of time..it was unclear if this had to do with inventory or distribution channels, or the relative popularity of the 4S in certain markets at the time....but it was always known that while the 4S was going to be the $0 phone a while longer, it was not going to last the full 12 months. In fact, I think there were reports that said until early 2014....so its falling right in line.
What is funny is that Apple could have done this back in September, made an 8 GB $0 version....and totally padded the 5c numbers to offset all the whiney bloggers and analysts....but they did what made the most business sense instead.
If it was clear the 4S was doomed I don't remember reading it. And there is no $0 iPhone. And is it doomed? The price point for the lower iPhone 5c seems higher.
Maybe they should have done this from the start, maybe not. Hindsight is 20-20 vision. If they over calculated the 5S sales then they would have had room to introduce a lower priced version sooner. However they probably wanted to wait until the Christmas and Chinese New Year was over.
I suspect the COGS were too high at launch. Now that production has matured and they have had the opportunity to further cost reduce the device, they can likely go after a lower price point without ruining their margins. Any organization with a focus on value engineering will plan future cost reductions and adjustments over a year in advance. I tend to think Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to supply chain and portfolio management. It is hindsight for us, but would have been planned well in advance by them.
Cook never said that, as you know. I don't like lies.
Well, you give us your interpretation of Cook's remarks when he was asked for his explanation of why "sales were lower than expected".
I don't recall Cook saying that sales weren't lower than expected before giving his reason.
Demand percentage for the iPhone 5c "turned out to be different than we thought,"... just a fancy way of saying that the 5c didn't sell as many phones as expected.
Yeah, Cook doesn't say it didn't live up to expectations there, either. Not surprised to see you defending lies, as that seems to be your raison d'être on AppleInsider.
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin-bottom:10px;">Bank of Montreal: Tim, Growing iPhones 7%, market will be 14%. Are you happy with pricing umbrellas you have? In particular the 5C? </p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin-bottom:10px;">Cook: last quarter we did a tremendous job, mix. Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought. If we decide it's in our interest to make a change, then we make one. Not going to predict price changes on the call. Our line in the sand is making something that's not fantastic.</p>
"Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought." So I suppose you interpret this as 5C exceeded expectations?
:no:
At no point in that interview did Tim Cook reveal what Apple's expectations were for the iPhone 5c. The best you can do is put your interpretation on what he said. To explicitly say that Tim Cook said that the iPhone 5c didn't live up to expectations is simply wrong, a falsehood, a lie. The interviewer attempted to put words into his mouth with his question about the iPhone 5c not living up to expectations. It was a hateful, sly question that has led to the usual suspects on this forum following the interviewer's lead and putting words into Tim Cook's mouth, you included, judging from your emoticon.
At no point in that interview did Tim Cook reveal what Apple's expectations were for the iPhone 5c. The best you can do is put your interpretation of what he said.
“Different” does imply lower in this situation, but you’re correct in saying that we don’t know what their expectations were; therefore we don’t know HOW much lower.
At no point in that interview did Tim Cook reveal what Apple's expectations were for the iPhone 5c. The best you can do is put your interpretation on what he said. To explicitly say that Tim Cook said that the iPhone 5c didn't live up to expectations is simply wrong, a falsehood, a lie. The interviewer attempted to put words into his mouth with his question about the iPhone 5c not living up to expectations. It was a hateful, sly question that has lead to the usual suspects on this forum following the interviewer's lead and putting words into Tim Cook's mouth, you included, judging from your emoticon.
He didn't give explicit Demand Percentages either but he said that the actuality was "different than we thought". You don't need exact numbers to read this any other way.
Yes I know 8GB is very small for today standards but if we compare that to the 8GB iPhone 4S the 5C is a huge upgrade at the same price. iPhone 5C is different because Apple is doing different things with it. Not just shaving off 100 $ every year.
He didn't give explicit Demand Percentages either but he said that the actuality was "different than we thought". You don't need exact numbers to read this any other way.
As I said, you're interpreting "different than we thought", as "didn't live up to our expectations". That isn't what Tim Cook said, which is the lie that island hermit initially propounded.
They should sell the 5c cheap with 16GB. I won't put a damper on the 5S market at all. Those buying the 5S have the money and they are willing to spend it for the additional functionality. Its the difference between a regular version and a pro version of products. Keep it simple.
As I said, you're interpreting "different than we thought", as "didn't live up to our expectations". That isn't what Tim Cook said, which is the lie that island hermit initially propounded.
I've had an 8Gb iPhone 3G, 16Gb iPhone 4, and now the 16Gb iPhone 5. I'll tell you, 16Gb is no longer enough to utilize Apple's 1st party apps that are free to users whom by a new device. 32Gb needs to be the new standard for any iOS device. For my 16Gb device, it's capacity is only 13.3 Gb of storage for my use. Apple already takes 3gb just to install their OS that has so much non-local bloatware. Either Apple needs to up their storage when iOS starts eating 4Gb, or Apple needs to allow users to remove non-local language packs.
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Cook never said that, as you know. I don't like lies.
From Engadget:
I'm glad you're insulted. I hope Apple continually manage to insult you.
You should post that in this AI article too.
Cook never said that, as you know. I don't like lies.
Not in exact words...
>>>>
Bank of Montreal: Tim, Growing iPhones 7%, market will be 14%. Are you happy with pricing umbrellas you have? In particular the 5C?
Cook: last quarter we did a tremendous job, mix. Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought. If we decide it's in our interest to make a change, then we make one. Not going to predict price changes on the call. Our line in the sand is making something that's not fantastic.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-q1-earnings-2014-1#ixzz2wEvnaSse
This is what was expected.....at the time of launch last September it was said that instead of offering a $0 / 8 GB 5c, Apple would continue to offering the iPhone 4S for a limited period of time..it was unclear if this had to do with inventory or distribution channels, or the relative popularity of the 4S in certain markets at the time....but it was always known that while the 4S was going to be the $0 phone a while longer, it was not going to last the full 12 months. In fact, I think there were reports that said until early 2014....so its falling right in line.
What is funny is that Apple could have done this back in September, made an 8 GB $0 version....and totally padded the 5c numbers to offset all the whiney bloggers and analysts....but they did what made the most business sense instead.
If it was clear the 4S was doomed I don't remember reading it. And there is no $0 iPhone. And is it doomed? The price point for the lower iPhone 5c seems higher.
Maybe they should have done this from the start, maybe not. Hindsight is 20-20 vision. If they over calculated the 5S sales then they would have had room to introduce a lower priced version sooner. However they probably wanted to wait until the Christmas and Chinese New Year was over.
I suspect the COGS were too high at launch. Now that production has matured and they have had the opportunity to further cost reduce the device, they can likely go after a lower price point without ruining their margins. Any organization with a focus on value engineering will plan future cost reductions and adjustments over a year in advance. I tend to think Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to supply chain and portfolio management. It is hindsight for us, but would have been planned well in advance by them.
Cook never said that, as you know. I don't like lies.
Well, you give us your interpretation of Cook's remarks when he was asked for his explanation of why "sales were lower than expected".
I don't recall Cook saying that sales weren't lower than expected before giving his reason.
Demand percentage for the iPhone 5c "turned out to be different than we thought,"... just a fancy way of saying that the 5c didn't sell as many phones as expected.
As you know, I don't like bullshit.
It's percent share of active iOS devices!
Got it. I misread the rotated text. Still not sure how to interpret the charts, but not going to argue further on it. Cheers!
Yeah, Cook doesn't say it didn't live up to expectations there, either. Not surprised to see you defending lies, as that seems to be your raison d'être on AppleInsider.
Not in inexact words, either.
Not in inexact words, either.
"Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought."
So I suppose you interpret this as 5C exceeded expectations?
At no point in that interview did Tim Cook reveal what Apple's expectations were for the iPhone 5c. The best you can do is put your interpretation on what he said. To explicitly say that Tim Cook said that the iPhone 5c didn't live up to expectations is simply wrong, a falsehood, a lie. The interviewer attempted to put words into his mouth with his question about the iPhone 5c not living up to expectations. It was a hateful, sly question that has led to the usual suspects on this forum following the interviewer's lead and putting words into Tim Cook's mouth, you included, judging from your emoticon.
“Different” does imply lower in this situation, but you’re correct in saying that we don’t know what their expectations were; therefore we don’t know HOW much lower.
At no point in that interview did Tim Cook reveal what Apple's expectations were for the iPhone 5c. The best you can do is put your interpretation on what he said. To explicitly say that Tim Cook said that the iPhone 5c didn't live up to expectations is simply wrong, a falsehood, a lie. The interviewer attempted to put words into his mouth with his question about the iPhone 5c not living up to expectations. It was a hateful, sly question that has lead to the usual suspects on this forum following the interviewer's lead and putting words into Tim Cook's mouth, you included, judging from your emoticon.
He didn't give explicit Demand Percentages either but he said that the actuality was "different than we thought". You don't need exact numbers to read this any other way.
"Demand percentage turned out to be different than we thought."
So I suppose you interpret this as 5C exceeded expectations?
Exactly.
As I said, you're interpreting "different than we thought", as "didn't live up to our expectations". That isn't what Tim Cook said, which is the lie that island hermit initially propounded.
As I said, you're interpreting "different than we thought", as "didn't live up to our expectations". That isn't what Tim Cook said, which is the lie that island hermit initially propounded.
Meh, that's just pointless nitpicking.
I've had an 8Gb iPhone 3G, 16Gb iPhone 4, and now the 16Gb iPhone 5. I'll tell you, 16Gb is no longer enough to utilize Apple's 1st party apps that are free to users whom by a new device. 32Gb needs to be the new standard for any iOS device. For my 16Gb device, it's capacity is only 13.3 Gb of storage for my use. Apple already takes 3gb just to install their OS that has so much non-local bloatware. Either Apple needs to up their storage when iOS starts eating 4Gb, or Apple needs to allow users to remove non-local language packs.