An 8GB 5C may not be a replacement for the 4S (at least for now) but something intended to create a more gradual upsell path in some international markets. Consider the difference in cost for each base iPhone model in the US and the Australian Apple stores.
Not to gang up on you but. "Different than we thought" can't mean "met expectations" it has to mean didn't meet, or exceeded expectations. I assume you don't really think the latter so it has to be the former, and you are being semantic. If you do think that the 5C sold better than internal apple projections you should come out and say that.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
Tim's exact words were "the mix was something very different than we thought”.
Not "a little different", not "somewhat different" but "very different".
There's no misinterpretation here.
We are speculating that TC meant missed sales expectations, you are speculating something else (what I have absolutely no idea), the burden of evidence is in favor of the former.
Tim's exact words were "the mix was something very different than we thought”. Not "a little different", not "somewhat different" but "very different".
There's no misinterpretation here.
We are speculating that TC meant missed sales expectations, you are speculating something else (what I have absolutely no idea), the burden of evidence is in favor of the former.
That still tells you nothing about expectations! You can interpret it to mean anything you like, but it's still just an interpretation or speculation. You can't pronounce that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations, which is what the crux of this argument is about. It may seem a small difference, but it's not; if I disagree with your interpretation, I'm not making a value judgment because a guess is a guess. But if you state that Tim Cook said something that he didn't, I will make a value judgement of you because twisting someone's words, however subtly, is a lie.
And these things happen all the time. Just today, someone twisted TS's post: he was talking about 7" tablets and the other person quoted him as saying 7-8" tablets. Insinuous and unwise to tolerate.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
It's good to not make too much of an assumption, but here you're putting much more of a spin on the quotes and story than those simply going with what Cook was clearly implying. There really aren't a whole lot of ways to interpret "Different than we thought" in this context.
It's good to not make too much of an assumption, but here you're putting much more of a spin on the quotes and story than those simply going with what Cook was clearly implying. There really aren't a whole lot of ways to interpret "Different than we thought" in this context.
I disagree. Apple set new records for sales of iPhones when the 5s and 5c and Tim Cook explicitly stated that he was delighted with the numbers. For him to say that the mix was a lot different than we thought I interpret as meaning just that; it's not a positive or a negative. If they sold more 5ss than expected, great, but it still doesn't mean they missed expectations for the iPhone 5c; it suggests that the mix was very different than Apple thought, which is precisely what Tim Cook said, as you helpfully referenced. When the analyst who questioned Mr. Cook lept to his conclusion that the iPhone 5c had missed expectations, Tim didn't address the point, but nonetheless made an honest statement about the mix. Everyone is saying it was just his roundabout way of admitting failure on the 5c, but it wasn't.
It's interesting how Chinese whispers become gospel. So many times the media call the iPad Mini a 7" tablet and thus talk about Apple changing their mind despite Steve Jobs' insistence that 7" tablets were DOA. An insinous lie.
I haven't read Sir Jonathan Ive's recent interview, just titbits here, but it sounds as though he has drawn attention to another little lie or meme—that the general public don't care about quality, but just settle for cheap and nasty. He talks about how everyone is surrounded by badly-made things. The insinous lie is that therefore we don't care. When, in fact, people do care, but there has been such a culture of assumption and low standards that the mantra of 'don't care' has become gospel, even though it's not based on truth.
I don't see why anybody should complain about Apple offering an 8GB phone. It's simply one more option. If somebody needs more space, they'll buy the next model up.
8GB might not be enough for most people, it definitely isn't for me, but for others, 8GB will be just fine.
Don't project your own needs and your own usage methods onto others.
A person who just needs a phone and internet capabilities and is not likely to store music or videos or have a ton of apps can get by with 8GB. Somebody can have iTunes Match and have access to their entire song library, without it taking up space on the phone. Even movies can be seen through streaming services.
I don't see why anybody should complain about Apple offering an 8GB phone. It's simply one more option. If somebody needs more space, they'll buy the next model up.
8GB might not be enough for most people, it definitely isn't for me, but for others, 8GB will be just fine.
Don't project your own needs and your own usage methods onto others.
A person who just needs a phone and internet capabilities and is not likely to store music or videos or have a ton of apps can get by with 8GB. Somebody can have iTunes Match and have access to their entire song library, without it taking up space on the phone. Even movies can be seen through streaming services.
Exactly. iTunes Match plus online access to iTunes purchases means you can save a lot of space if you need to.
They will replace the 4S with the 8GB 5C, and the iPad 2 with the iPad 4. It's a greta move, and makes perfect sense. They will get rid of all non-lightning connector devices this way, as well as anything that likely wont get iOS8.
They will replace the 4S with the 8GB 5C, and the iPad 2 with the iPad 4. It's a greta move, and makes perfect sense. They will get rid of all non-lightning connector devices this way, as well as anything that likely wont get iOS8.
No, you don't get it. An 8GB phone isn't even worth buying unless you just want to make calls on it and check email, and do Facebook. Other than that its pretty worthless because there isn't enough space to do anything. They'll be lucky to be able to install an iOS 7 updates down the road without deleting a bunch of stuff.
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I disagree. Apple set new records for sales of iPhones when the 5s and 5c and Tim Cook explicitly stated that he was delighted with the numbers. For him to say that the mix was a lot different than we thought I interpret as meaning just that; it's not a positive or a negative. If they sold more 5ss than expected, great, but it still doesn't mean they missed expectations for the iPhone 5c; it suggests that the mix was very different than Apple thought, which is precisely what Tim Cook said, as you helpfully referenced. When the analyst who questioned Mr. Cook lept to his conclusion that the iPhone 5c had missed expectations, Tim didn't address the point, but nonetheless made an honest statement about the mix. Everyone is saying it was just his roundabout way of admitting failure on the 5c, but it wasn't.
It's interesting how Chinese whispers become gospel. So many times the media call the iPad Mini a 7" tablet and thus talk about Apple changing their mind despite Steve Jobs' insistence that 7" tablets were DOA. An insinous lie.
I haven't read Sir Jonathan Ive's recent interview, just titbits here, but it sounds as though he has drawn attention to another little lie or meme—that the general public don't care about quality, but just settle for cheap and nasty. He talks about how everyone is surrounded by badly-made things. The insinous lie is that therefore we don't care. When, in fact, people do care, but there has been such a culture of assumption and low standards that the mantra of 'don't care' has become gospel, even though it's not based on truth.
Cook was probably referring to listening to the bloody bozo's on Wall St, who were clamouring for Apple to release a cheap plastic iPhone because that was the way to gain market share.
I don't think he'll give in to those clowns again.
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An 8GB iPhone is almost a feature phone.
An 8GB 5C may not be a replacement for the 4S (at least for now) but something intended to create a more gradual upsell path in some international markets. Consider the difference in cost for each base iPhone model in the US and the Australian Apple stores.
Outright price as per the US Apple Store
iPhone 4S 08 GB US$450
iPhone 5C 16 GB US$549 (+$99)
iPhone 5S 16 GB US$649 (+$100)
Outright price as per the Australian Apple Store
iPhone 4S 08 GB AUD$529
iPhone 5C 16 GB AUD$739 (+$210) WOW!
iPhone 5S 16 GB AUD$869 (+$130)
Not to gang up on you but. "Different than we thought" can't mean "met expectations" it has to mean didn't meet, or exceeded expectations. I assume you don't really think the latter so it has to be the former, and you are being semantic. If you do think that the 5C sold better than internal apple projections you should come out and say that.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
Tim's exact words were "the mix was something very different than we thought”.
Not "a little different", not "somewhat different" but "very different".
There's no misinterpretation here.
We are speculating that TC meant missed sales expectations, you are speculating something else (what I have absolutely no idea), the burden of evidence is in favor of the former.
That still tells you nothing about expectations! You can interpret it to mean anything you like, but it's still just an interpretation or speculation. You can't pronounce that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations, which is what the crux of this argument is about. It may seem a small difference, but it's not; if I disagree with your interpretation, I'm not making a value judgment because a guess is a guess. But if you state that Tim Cook said something that he didn't, I will make a value judgement of you because twisting someone's words, however subtly, is a lie.
And these things happen all the time. Just today, someone twisted TS's post: he was talking about 7" tablets and the other person quoted him as saying 7-8" tablets. Insinuous and unwise to tolerate.
Yet again, someone is making presumptions about what I think. I repeat once again: Tim Cook has never stated what Apple's expectations for the iPhone 5C are, or whether they have met them or not. You're just assuming that Tim Cook saying 'different than we thought' = 'missed expectations.' That's your interpretation, but you can't possibly extrapolate that into saying that Tim Cook stated that the iPhone 5c missed expectations.
My interpretation of Tim Cook's statement is that Apple probably didn't know how many the iPhone 5c was going to sell. They probably have quite a wide estimation of sales due to the change in their product strategy. In other words-to ask whether the iPhone 5c missed estimations is the wrong question, in the sense that I don't feel that Apple had any expectations of a particular sales number to beat. 'Different than we thought' could mean all kinds of different things. It could mean that sales started very strongly but then tailed off; or sales were stronger than expected in certain regions but less in others; or that one colour sold much more strongly than others. The point is, all we can do is speculate, which is fine, but what we can't do is say that Tim Cook admitted to missing expectations on the iPhone 5c. The reason several anti-Apple people on AI are saying that is because the interviewer used that expression in his dishonest question, and so it has become the status quo. Tim Cook avoided the question, partly I imagine because Apple rarely ever breaks down sales within models.
It's important to listen carefully to what people say. Not listening leads to the misinterpretation which you and several others here are guilty of. Lies generally start small and subtle; that is the nature of evil.
It's good to not make too much of an assumption, but here you're putting much more of a spin on the quotes and story than those simply going with what Cook was clearly implying. There really aren't a whole lot of ways to interpret "Different than we thought" in this context.
I disagree. Apple set new records for sales of iPhones when the 5s and 5c and Tim Cook explicitly stated that he was delighted with the numbers. For him to say that the mix was a lot different than we thought I interpret as meaning just that; it's not a positive or a negative. If they sold more 5ss than expected, great, but it still doesn't mean they missed expectations for the iPhone 5c; it suggests that the mix was very different than Apple thought, which is precisely what Tim Cook said, as you helpfully referenced. When the analyst who questioned Mr. Cook lept to his conclusion that the iPhone 5c had missed expectations, Tim didn't address the point, but nonetheless made an honest statement about the mix. Everyone is saying it was just his roundabout way of admitting failure on the 5c, but it wasn't.
It's interesting how Chinese whispers become gospel. So many times the media call the iPad Mini a 7" tablet and thus talk about Apple changing their mind despite Steve Jobs' insistence that 7" tablets were DOA. An insinous lie.
I haven't read Sir Jonathan Ive's recent interview, just titbits here, but it sounds as though he has drawn attention to another little lie or meme—that the general public don't care about quality, but just settle for cheap and nasty. He talks about how everyone is surrounded by badly-made things. The insinous lie is that therefore we don't care. When, in fact, people do care, but there has been such a culture of assumption and low standards that the mantra of 'don't care' has become gospel, even though it's not based on truth.
I don't see why anybody should complain about Apple offering an 8GB phone. It's simply one more option. If somebody needs more space, they'll buy the next model up.
8GB might not be enough for most people, it definitely isn't for me, but for others, 8GB will be just fine.
Don't project your own needs and your own usage methods onto others.
A person who just needs a phone and internet capabilities and is not likely to store music or videos or have a ton of apps can get by with 8GB. Somebody can have iTunes Match and have access to their entire song library, without it taking up space on the phone. Even movies can be seen through streaming services.
Exactly. iTunes Match plus online access to iTunes purchases means you can save a lot of space if you need to.
Don't they still sell the iPhone 4 in China?
No, you don't get it. An 8GB phone isn't even worth buying unless you just want to make calls on it and check email, and do Facebook. Other than that its pretty worthless because there isn't enough space to do anything. They'll be lucky to be able to install an iOS 7 updates down the road without deleting a bunch of stuff.
I disagree. Apple set new records for sales of iPhones when the 5s and 5c and Tim Cook explicitly stated that he was delighted with the numbers. For him to say that the mix was a lot different than we thought I interpret as meaning just that; it's not a positive or a negative. If they sold more 5ss than expected, great, but it still doesn't mean they missed expectations for the iPhone 5c; it suggests that the mix was very different than Apple thought, which is precisely what Tim Cook said, as you helpfully referenced. When the analyst who questioned Mr. Cook lept to his conclusion that the iPhone 5c had missed expectations, Tim didn't address the point, but nonetheless made an honest statement about the mix. Everyone is saying it was just his roundabout way of admitting failure on the 5c, but it wasn't.
It's interesting how Chinese whispers become gospel. So many times the media call the iPad Mini a 7" tablet and thus talk about Apple changing their mind despite Steve Jobs' insistence that 7" tablets were DOA. An insinous lie.
I haven't read Sir Jonathan Ive's recent interview, just titbits here, but it sounds as though he has drawn attention to another little lie or meme—that the general public don't care about quality, but just settle for cheap and nasty. He talks about how everyone is surrounded by badly-made things. The insinous lie is that therefore we don't care. When, in fact, people do care, but there has been such a culture of assumption and low standards that the mantra of 'don't care' has become gospel, even though it's not based on truth.
Cook was probably referring to listening to the bloody bozo's on Wall St, who were clamouring for Apple to release a cheap plastic iPhone because that was the way to gain market share.
I don't think he'll give in to those clowns again.
iOS is 3GB now? Wow.
If you want to turn around the 5C's flagging sales redesign it from the ground up to reflect Apple's design aesthetic and appeal to regular customers.
lol: That's what the 5s is for.
Don't they still sell the iPhone 4 in China?
Probably: but it's not compatible with China Mobile's LTE system: the 5c is.