I think 8GB of space is almost a slap in the face now days. I'm not even a big user of my phone as far as lots of apps and music and I had to delete things just to install iOS 7.1 with a 16GB iPhone 5C. One thing I'd really like to see is the bottom end phone be 32GB instead of 16GB. Making the offerings 32/64/128 instead of 16/32/64. As people start doing more and more and Apple keeps making the cameras better and better it will use up the storage capacity even faster, especially with these lower capacities.
Once you get a few songs on it and take a few photos that 8GB will be gone in a heartbeat. I know this is supposed to be a cheap offering but its sorta useless with the amount of space on it.
That being said, I think it would be great to see the 5C offered instead of the 4S if thats what Apple intends on doing.
Uh, i think this has been gone through before. Just make iphone expandable with a 128gb card, problem solved.
Uh, i think this has been gone through before. Just make iphone expandable with a 128gb card, problem solved.
Uh no....This would make it so they'd have to design a way for a card slot to work without making thicker, wider, etc. Just put 128GB in as standard...problem solved!
so they are releasing a phone with a retarded 8gb of tiny space (this is 2014 last time I ckecked) to save 5$ on cost? If they want to sell the 5c in volume they need to drop the price to $400 or below on the 16g models....
My Galaxy S4 came with around that much useable space and it cost way more than $400.
Should the S5 also be less than $400 given that it will have even less useable space?
Releasing a 8g phone is just plain insulting to me. Its like those guys are stuck in a loop and just cant innovate anymore. They doing this because thats what they usually do? JC, unreal.
They could lower the number of colors so managing is easier , they are others ways than releasing a nerf phone. How about optimizing production and just drop the price?
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No, you don't get it. An 8GB phone isn't even worth buying unless you just want to make calls on it and check email, and do Facebook. Other than that its pretty worthless because there isn't enough space to do anything. They'll be lucky to be able to install an iOS 7 updates down the road without deleting a bunch of stuff.
I think 8GB of space is almost a slap in the face now days. I'm not even a big user of my phone as far as lots of apps and music and I had to delete things just to install iOS 7.1 with a 16GB iPhone 5C. One thing I'd really like to see is the bottom end phone be 32GB instead of 16GB. Making the offerings 32/64/128 instead of 16/32/64. As people start doing more and more and Apple keeps making the cameras better and better it will use up the storage capacity even faster, especially with these lower capacities.
Once you get a few songs on it and take a few photos that 8GB will be gone in a heartbeat. I know this is supposed to be a cheap offering but its sorta useless with the amount of space on it.
That being said, I think it would be great to see the 5C offered instead of the 4S if thats what Apple intends on doing.
Push more often to the iCloud... I have 16GB iPhone 5 and I've found the iCloud is an easy place to store some of my music and much of my photos. Apple has made the camera better but unlike Samsung didn't do it by making the the pixel count ridiculously high. Thank God!
"different than we thought" and "didn't live up to our expectations" mean different things. If you think they mean the same, then I have overestimated your intelligence.
"different than we thought" and "didn't live up to our expectations" mean different things. If you think they mean the same, then I have overestimated your intelligence.
I'd say based on that reply, you overestimate a lot of things. Enough said.
This is what was expected.....at the time of launch last September it was said that instead of offering a $0 / 8 GB 5c, Apple would continue to offering the iPhone 4S for a limited period of time..it was unclear if this had to do with inventory or distribution channels, or the relative popularity of the 4S in certain markets at the time....but it was always known that while the 4S was going to be the $0 phone a while longer, it was not going to last the full 12 months. In fact, I think there were reports that said until early 2014....so its falling right in line.
What is funny is that Apple could have done this back in September, made an 8 GB $0 version....and totally padded the 5c numbers to offset all the whiney bloggers and analysts....but they did what made the most business sense instead.
I would assume that 4S parts saved a lot more $$ than they do now and that would be another reason.
WOW. It’s almost as though… huh. It’s almost as though there’s an entire category of people out there who don’t have iPhones for whom that would be EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
Given that updates are only a couple hundred megs, I’m certain they’ll be fine. Because, again, these people don’t care about this sort of thing.
Someone who updates to IOS 8(let's say 2gb) with 3gb currently full by software will have 3gb to them self at least so it really is for a low amount user, however in mind someone using a Samsung would go from 8 of 16 to 5 out 8(at least) so it would go great.
It's okay, man, Ben Frost is in the very small percentage of people who still believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations.
Now you're putting words in my mouth! I never stated that I believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations. I'm very wary of people who put words in others' mouths, as it is a form of lying.
Now you're putting words in my mouth! I never stated that I believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations. I'm very wary of people who put words in others' mouths, as it is a form of lying.
Not to gang up on you but. "Different than we thought" can't mean "met expectations" it has to mean didn't meet, or exceeded expectations. I assume you don't really think the latter so it has to be the former, and you are being semantic. If you do think that the 5C sold better than internal apple projections you should come out and say that.
I don't see this as anything more than another supply chain play, and move to finally phase out the 30-pin connector from Apple's new devices. This simply displaces the 4s as the entry level model (except in India, where the iPhone 4 purportedly remains available) in developed markets, and better optimizes the unused production capacity for the 5c.
With any move like this under Tim Cook, you have to view it through the supply chain, since that's his background and his area of expertise.
Agree.
Though with any other manufacturer the difference in the retail price of two devices with 8G difference of storage would be marginal. By not slashing the price enough and instead offering an 8Gig model Apple is going to have a hard time getting much of a response except for "Big whoop."
I disagree with those saying there's no market for an 8Gig device in general. Having done such a remarkable job putting iPads and Minis on the street, there's now a new niche of people who have a tablet for all their movies and music and apps, and some need a new phone soon. So their phone will not be where any of their media lives. Plus, most people I know who have gotten into streaming services the past year (which is a lot) don't really keep much on their phone anyway, rarely videos, never bigger than youtubes. Can't use an HD feature for file size needs because that would never enter into the equation. For them it's all homemade streaming channels that take up no space.
Still, it's a tough sell to make what seems clearly NOT a strategic market plan beyond the supply chain move and dress it up in enough razzle dazzle to make the 5c be seen as the prom queen instead of the old maid. (And we have a 5c in the family and I think it's great)
I would assume that 4S parts saved a lot more $$ than they do now and that would be another reason.
Someone who updates to IOS 8(let's say 2gb) with 3gb currently full by software will have 3gb to them self at least so it really is for a low amount user, however in mind someone using a Samsung would go from 8 of 16 to 5 out 8(at least) so it would go great.
Yep, as I keep saying, with Tim Cook you have to look at the supply chain implications before you look into any other reasons for any move that Apple makes. Demand for the 4s might have simply reached a point where the 5c costs less to produce, and ending production of the 4/4s form factor made sense cost wise and happens to fit better with their long-range product map. The 5c seems to have plenty of unused production capacity and the only change involves the amount of storage. This would make for an easy transition if you look at it through Cook's supply chain prism.
As far as 8 GB goes, there apparently remains enough demand to keep that option and price point around. If Apple prices the 8 GB 5c the same as the 4s, then the buyer actually gets a faster and better featured phone with a bigger screen for the same price. Regardless of what anyone thinks about 8 GB of storage, any shortage on the 8 GB 5c would also apply to the 4s.
Keep in mind that in much of the rest of the world, people pay for the true (i.e., unsubsidized) cost of the phone. For them, there is no such thing as a "free" phone, and that's where $100 here and $100 there can quickly add up.
Guess that’s why they’re doing this, huh. Problem solved.
No, because the real reason the 5C isn't selling very well compared to the 5S is those hideous colors! " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I feel sorry for those, likely new to the iPhone, users who go for an 8GB iPhone. It's far too little memory for iOS7. Looking at the 8GB iPhone4S at the Apple retail store, I see about 1GB left for user Apps and data. Apple; this is not the way to gain happy iPhone users.
BTW my 16GB iPhone 4 runs very well with iOS7, which I like, but I had to delete quite a few files to upgrade from iOS5 to iOS7.
In the US Apple store the 8GB 4S is $0 with contract. In Japan, all carriers offer a 16GB 5S for free with a two year contract.
How does the cost of the monthly plan in Japan compare to a similar plan in the USA? I'll bet it's about $10/month more, which over 24 months would cover the difference in price between the two phones.
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[*] 16 GB: February 5, 2008
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[*] All models: July 11, 2008
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[*] 16, 32 GB: June 19, 2009
[*] [I][COLOR=black]8 GB black: June 24, 2010[/COLOR][/I]
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[*] CDMA: February 10, 2011
[*] White: April 28, 2011
[*] [I][COLOR=black]8 GB: October 14, 2011[/COLOR][/I]
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[*] 16, 32, 64 GB: October 14, 2011
[*] [I][COLOR=blue]8 GB: September 20, 2013[/COLOR][/I]
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[*] All models: September 21, 2012
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It appears that there is precedent for the 8GB -- and that it is determined mainly by supply chain and mfg costs as well as price umbrella.
I wonder how close the iPhone 6 is -- or doubling the iPhone 5S RAM and Flash and keeping the same price points :???:
Meh, that's just pointless nitpicking.
No; they mean two different things. You're not thinking.
So additional colors would be nice: IMHO that casing would look very good in gray for instance.
No; they mean two different things. You're not thinking.
No they don't, you're over thinking :-)
I think 8GB of space is almost a slap in the face now days. I'm not even a big user of my phone as far as lots of apps and music and I had to delete things just to install iOS 7.1 with a 16GB iPhone 5C. One thing I'd really like to see is the bottom end phone be 32GB instead of 16GB. Making the offerings 32/64/128 instead of 16/32/64. As people start doing more and more and Apple keeps making the cameras better and better it will use up the storage capacity even faster, especially with these lower capacities.
Once you get a few songs on it and take a few photos that 8GB will be gone in a heartbeat. I know this is supposed to be a cheap offering but its sorta useless with the amount of space on it.
That being said, I think it would be great to see the 5C offered instead of the 4S if thats what Apple intends on doing.
Uh, i think this has been gone through before. Just make iphone expandable with a 128gb card, problem solved.
Uh, i think this has been gone through before. Just make iphone expandable with a 128gb card, problem solved.
Uh no....This would make it so they'd have to design a way for a card slot to work without making thicker, wider, etc. Just put 128GB in as standard...problem solved!
so they are releasing a phone with a retarded 8gb of tiny space (this is 2014 last time I ckecked) to save 5$ on cost? If they want to sell the 5c in volume they need to drop the price to $400 or below on the 16g models....
My Galaxy S4 came with around that much useable space and it cost way more than $400.
Should the S5 also be less than $400 given that it will have even less useable space?
Releasing a 8g phone is just plain insulting to me. Its like those guys are stuck in a loop and just cant innovate anymore. They doing this because thats what they usually do? JC, unreal.
They could lower the number of colors so managing is easier , they are others ways than releasing a nerf phone. How about optimizing production and just drop the price?
No, you don't get it. An 8GB phone isn't even worth buying unless you just want to make calls on it and check email, and do Facebook. Other than that its pretty worthless because there isn't enough space to do anything. They'll be lucky to be able to install an iOS 7 updates down the road without deleting a bunch of stuff.
I guess you won't be getting a Galaxy S5, then.
Push more often to the iCloud... I have 16GB iPhone 5 and I've found the iCloud is an easy place to store some of my music and much of my photos. Apple has made the camera better but unlike Samsung didn't do it by making the the pixel count ridiculously high. Thank God!
No they don't, you're over thinking :-)
"different than we thought" and "didn't live up to our expectations" mean different things. If you think they mean the same, then I have overestimated your intelligence.
"different than we thought" and "didn't live up to our expectations" mean different things. If you think they mean the same, then I have overestimated your intelligence.
I'd say based on that reply, you overestimate a lot of things. Enough said.
I'd say based on that reply, you overestimate a lot of things. Enough said.
It's okay, man, Ben Frost is in the very small percentage of people who still believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations.
Someone who updates to IOS 8(let's say 2gb) with 3gb currently full by software will have 3gb to them self at least so it really is for a low amount user, however in mind someone using a Samsung would go from 8 of 16 to 5 out 8(at least) so it would go great.
It's okay, man, Ben Frost is in the very small percentage of people who still believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations.
Now you're putting words in my mouth! I never stated that I believe that Cook meant that the 5c was selling to expectations. I'm very wary of people who put words in others' mouths, as it is a form of lying.
Not to gang up on you but. "Different than we thought" can't mean "met expectations" it has to mean didn't meet, or exceeded expectations. I assume you don't really think the latter so it has to be the former, and you are being semantic. If you do think that the 5C sold better than internal apple projections you should come out and say that.
I don't see this as anything more than another supply chain play, and move to finally phase out the 30-pin connector from Apple's new devices. This simply displaces the 4s as the entry level model (except in India, where the iPhone 4 purportedly remains available) in developed markets, and better optimizes the unused production capacity for the 5c.
With any move like this under Tim Cook, you have to view it through the supply chain, since that's his background and his area of expertise.
Agree.
Though with any other manufacturer the difference in the retail price of two devices with 8G difference of storage would be marginal. By not slashing the price enough and instead offering an 8Gig model Apple is going to have a hard time getting much of a response except for "Big whoop."
I disagree with those saying there's no market for an 8Gig device in general. Having done such a remarkable job putting iPads and Minis on the street, there's now a new niche of people who have a tablet for all their movies and music and apps, and some need a new phone soon. So their phone will not be where any of their media lives. Plus, most people I know who have gotten into streaming services the past year (which is a lot) don't really keep much on their phone anyway, rarely videos, never bigger than youtubes. Can't use an HD feature for file size needs because that would never enter into the equation. For them it's all homemade streaming channels that take up no space.
Still, it's a tough sell to make what seems clearly NOT a strategic market plan beyond the supply chain move and dress it up in enough razzle dazzle to make the 5c be seen as the prom queen instead of the old maid. (And we have a 5c in the family and I think it's great)
I would assume that 4S parts saved a lot more $$ than they do now and that would be another reason.
Someone who updates to IOS 8(let's say 2gb) with 3gb currently full by software will have 3gb to them self at least so it really is for a low amount user, however in mind someone using a Samsung would go from 8 of 16 to 5 out 8(at least) so it would go great.
Yep, as I keep saying, with Tim Cook you have to look at the supply chain implications before you look into any other reasons for any move that Apple makes. Demand for the 4s might have simply reached a point where the 5c costs less to produce, and ending production of the 4/4s form factor made sense cost wise and happens to fit better with their long-range product map. The 5c seems to have plenty of unused production capacity and the only change involves the amount of storage. This would make for an easy transition if you look at it through Cook's supply chain prism.
As far as 8 GB goes, there apparently remains enough demand to keep that option and price point around. If Apple prices the 8 GB 5c the same as the 4s, then the buyer actually gets a faster and better featured phone with a bigger screen for the same price. Regardless of what anyone thinks about 8 GB of storage, any shortage on the 8 GB 5c would also apply to the 4s.
Keep in mind that in much of the rest of the world, people pay for the true (i.e., unsubsidized) cost of the phone. For them, there is no such thing as a "free" phone, and that's where $100 here and $100 there can quickly add up.
No, because the real reason the 5C isn't selling very well compared to the 5S is those hideous colors!
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It's far too little memory for iOS7.
Looking at the 8GB iPhone4S at the Apple retail store, I see about 1GB left for user Apps and data.
Apple; this is not the way to gain happy iPhone users.
BTW my 16GB iPhone 4 runs very well with iOS7, which I like, but I had to delete quite a few files to upgrade from iOS5 to iOS7.
How does the cost of the monthly plan in Japan compare to a similar plan in the USA? I'll bet it's about $10/month more, which over 24 months would cover the difference in price between the two phones.