Rumor: Apple UI chief Greg Christie set to leave after clashes with Jony Ive [update: confirmed]

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  • Reply 101 of 122
    oneaburnsoneaburns Posts: 354member
    poke wrote: »
    I don't mind the look of iOS 7 but it's riddled with usability issues, whereas iOS 1-6 was fantastic usability-wise. Did iOS need an updated look? Sure, but it took a hit in usability in the process. I have no idea what's going on inside Apple but the fact is that two people who worked on iOS since its inception and who knew usability inside and out and were obviously responsible for the success of the project have left. The guy who has replaced them has no background in software at all. There are rumours of clashes. Taken together it all paints a bad picture.

    I'm not going to pass judgement until I see iOS 8, but this whole sequence of events is disturbing.

    100% agree. Hopefully iOS 8 is better. 7 has been disliked by most people (except fanatics that never dislike anything.)
  • Reply 102 of 122
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    oneaburns wrote: »
    100% agree. Hopefully iOS 8 is better. 7 has been disliked by most people (except fanatics that never dislike anything.)

    Source? You != most people.
  • Reply 103 of 122
    oneaburnsoneaburns Posts: 354member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Source? You != most people.

    While it is true most people I know don't care for the changes made in iOS 7, a quick search of google would show it's not been well-received. Would you rather I say "a significant amount of people" instead of "most?" Are we really getting that nit picky?
  • Reply 104 of 122
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    oneaburns wrote: »
    While it is true most people I know don't care for the changes made in iOS 7, a quick search of google would show it's not been well-received. Would you rather I say "a significant amount of people" instead of "most?" Are we really getting that nit picky?

    You can say "many". Google searches aren't scientific. People usually post to complain. The avg consumer isn't going to post if they like something.
  • Reply 105 of 122
    oneaburns wrote: »
    100% agree. Hopefully iOS 8 is better. 7 has been disliked by most people (except fanatics that never dislike anything.)

    100% disagree. 7 has been loved by everyone (except the usual Apple-haters that dislike everything Apple).
  • Reply 106 of 122
    oneaburns wrote: »
    While it is true most people I know don't care for the changes made in iOS 7, a quick search of google would show it's not been well-received. Would you rather I say "a significant amount of people" instead of "most?" Are we really getting that nit picky?

    A quick search of Google tells you whatever you want to believe. The truth doesn't come into it.
  • Reply 107 of 122
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    A quick search of Google tells you whatever you want to believe. The truth doesn't come into it.

    One of the harshest places on the internet is Twitter and a quick search there can locate an insurmountable number of tweets that praise iOS 7… Or maybe I created millions of accounts years ago and posted to them dozens of times a day each just so I could lie about other liking iOS 7. MWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhahahahhahaha
  • Reply 108 of 122
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by oneaburns View Post

    Why is that trolling?

     

    Because it’s a blatant lie.

     

    There are many people who feel that way.


     

    No. There are not.

     

    …I hate…


     

    Yep. You. Not “everyone” and not even “many”.

     

    Everyone claims to have disliked his fondness for skeuomorphic design…


     

    NOPE. 

     

    Originally Posted by oneaburns View Post

    While it is true most people I know

     

    Yep. The people YOU know.

     

    …a quick search of google would show its not been well-received.


     

     

    A quick search of anything only shows how stupid people are for thinking it shows anything.

     

    Would you rather I say "a significant amount of people" instead of "most?"


     

    I’d rather you just stop lying entirely. Is that really so hard?

  • Reply 109 of 122
    Because it’s a blatant lie.

    No. There are not.

    Yep. You. Not “everyone” and not even “many”.

    NOPE. 


    Yep. The people YOU know.

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    A quick search of anything only shows how stupid people are for thinking it shows anything.

    I’d rather you just stop lying entirely. Is that really so hard?


    You perfectly illustrate groupthink and confirmation bias in this forum every day. It's sad that you can't recognize it and are so threatened by dissenting views that you bully even other Apple fans.
  • Reply 110 of 122
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by oneaburns View Post

    You perfectly illustrate groupthink and confirmation bias in this forum every day. It's sad that you can't recognize it and are so threatened by dissenting views that you bully even other Apple fans.

     

    Well, if you had any sort of proof whatsoever for your claims, then our “groupthink” wouldn’t be called fact.

     

    Seems pretty simple.

  • Reply 111 of 122
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    oneaburns wrote: »
    You perfectly illustrate groupthink and confirmation bias in this forum every day. It's sad that you can't recognize it and are so threatened by dissenting views that you bully even other Apple fans.

    You're the one who claimed that everyone hates iOS 7.
  • Reply 112 of 122
    Well, if you had any sort of proof whatsoever for your claims, then our “groupthink” wouldn’t be called fact.

    Seems pretty simple.

    I don't have the time to search the internet for something that any rational person is aware of. You cannot tell me you have not seen more critical postings and reviews of this version of iOS than ones in the past.

    Do you run this website? If you do then you're doing yourself a disservice by alienating viewers. I used to come here daily until I just couldn't stand the bullying of everyone anymore. The comments section is like Fox News. It doesn't matter how much a person loves Apple, if they say one negative word then they must be squashed by you and a few others here. That or they have to write a dissertation supporting their views. I mean, really, I need to go find a few hundred sources of instances in which iOS 7 is criticized for my observations to be valid to you? I'm not wasting my time. The only reason I've wasted this much is because I'm at home with a cold.
  • Reply 113 of 122
    solipsismx wrote: »
    You're the one who claimed that everyone hates iOS 7.

    I said most and then changed that to "a significant amount" because it upset some sensitive people here. I mean, I don't want to upset the guy I saw posting here yesterday stating those guilt of leaking iphone 6 images should be executed.
  • Reply 114 of 122
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by oneaburns View Post

    I don't have the time to search the internet for something that any rational person is aware of.

     

    If any rational person was aware of it, there wouldn’t be any dissent whatsoever. You’re either too lazy to prove your point, which makes me too lazy to care about what you’d have to say, or you don’t have a point whatsoever because you’re wrong. Which you are.

     

    You cannot tell me you have not seen more critical postings and reviews of this version of iOS than ones in the past.


     

    More in intensity or more in volume? Why am I asking? I doubt either.

     
    The comments section is like Fox News.

     

    No, we tend to leave politics out of places they don’t belong.

     

    I mean, really, I need to go find a few hundred sources of instances in which iOS 7 is criticized for my observations to be valid to you?


     

    Nope. You need to back up your actual claims, not this goalpost moving you’ve just done.

     

    I'm not wasting my time.


     

    Then, again, I’m not wasting my time believing anything you say.

     

    iOS 7 is at, what, 85% adoption now? I guess 85% is a “minority” portion of 100%.

  • Reply 115 of 122
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    iOS 7 is at, what, 85% adoption now? I guess 85% is a “minority” portion of 100%.


     

    I'm no longer sure adoption rates are indicative of satisfaction. After my experience with 7 my wife was going to stay with 6, but then there was some critical security patch and her choices were move to 7 or be vulnerable.

     

    She now shows up as an iOS7 statistic but not because she preferred it per se.

  • Reply 116 of 122
    sporlosporlo Posts: 143member

    You guys sound ridiculous. I don't understand how one could be so offended by criticism, and I am personally a little confused by the unconditional praise, but that doesn't mean I want to silence anyone with something positive to say about iOS 7...

  • Reply 117 of 122
    Two words: shift key. Ive is an industrial designer, not. UI designer.

    One is Apple's biggest mistakes.
  • Reply 118 of 122
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by johnfromberkeley View Post

    Two words: shift key. Ive is an industrial designer, not. UI designer.



    One is Apple's biggest mistakes.

     

    I don’t get it.

  • Reply 119 of 122
    sporlo wrote: »
    You guys sound ridiculous. I don't understand how one could be so offended by criticism, and I am personally a little confused by the unconditional praise, but that doesn't mean I want to silence anyone with something positive to say about iOS 7...

    It's fanboyism, plain and simple. It used to be relegated to children arguing about video game consoles but now electronics brands in general are included too. Discussing the qualities of something should include both positive and negatives. But with fanboys, anything but praise is deemed invalid and gets you accused of trolling. I've spent well over $10,000 on Apple products but I'm not allowed to say one thing negative or even neutral here without feeling the wrath of the forum overlords.
  • Reply 120 of 122
    ingsocingsoc Posts: 212member

    These stories are really tricky, because it is impossible to know what conversations occurred inside Apple. Any reaction to stories like this is going to be limited by definition.

     

    In terms of the broader discussion about iOS design; I personally like iOS 7's design and I think it provides a great foundation to build on. The previous iOS design was also great, but it was aging very significantly. With iOS 7, Apple managed to strike a very careful balance where they produced something unquestionably new while also maintaining familiarity - this is a very difficult feat to achieve.

     

    I'm also sure that the design will evolve over time, given end user feedback.

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