I do not believe these surveys, why, they are just people opinions of what they think they want. As Steve has always said and is true consumers do not know what they want. If they put an actually larger phone in these people hands and ask them to compare it to what they want and see if they would buy on the spot, I bet the results will tell you something different.
Even Google own date on the number of Android phones with larger displays is only about 15% of the population of Android devices. With Samsung and others all pushing larger displays why isn't this number a lot higher then. Google's actual data is telling a different story than someone asking people if they want a bigger display. With all things being equal they probably want a bigger display, until they have to use it. Google's data is showing actual consumers usage and purchasing preference, Too many company lost their shirts building product base on consumers opinions verse where they actually spend their money.
ldpi
mdpi
tvdpi
hdpi
xhdpi
xxhdpi
Total
Small
8.1%
8.1%
Normal
13.2%
33.7%
19.8%
12.5%
79.2%
Large
0.7%
4.4%
1.5%
0.6%
0.6%
7.8%
Xlarge
0.1%
4.2%
0.3%
0.3%
4.9%
Total
8.9%
21.8%
1.5%
34.6%
20.7%
12.5%
Data collected during a 7-day period ending on April 1, 014.
Any screen configurations with less than 0.1% distribution are not shown.
Just saw the pict you added. What does that even mean? What is considered normal? What is large? what is small? I found this on Google developer.
xlarge screens are at least 960dp x 720dp. large screens are at least 640dp x 480dp. normal screens are at least 470dp x 320dp. small screens are at least 426dp x 320dp. (Android does not currently support screens smaller than this.)
I also found this:
In your chart normal was the most popular. But it would appear that normal includes around 3.5" to 5". There is also some overlap with small and large. Not sure your pict strengthened your case as much as you think.
Of course a smaller percentage of Android users use larger screens since these phones tend to be far more expensive. In fact they are priced around the same as the iPhone. Most cellphone users in the world live in dirt poor countries and can only afford to buy dirt cheap sub $200 phones which tend to be smaller and in many cases run older versions of Android. Once there are larger phones under $200 I can promise you all those people will buy them over their smaller ones. It is not a preference for a smaller display it is a preference to eat dinner and not go homeless.
By your logic when Apple releases a larger phone then you should respect their ability to tell you what you really want and buy a larger one since you were wrong in thinking 4" was a good size for you.
Again look at Google's data the cheap ass phone would be on the left of the chart, lower res and smaller displays the higher res, high cost on the right, more users on that side of the chart. I do not believe Google's usage data take into consideration user who can barely feed themselves. As we know cheap Android phone user do not use the phone as intended so it probably not showing up in the data.
Also, anyone who does consumer purchasing preference will tell you, you can not trust consumers opinions, you have to give them a purchase trade off decision to really determine wants, needs and other things over them actually making the purchase. Consumers have the trade off with Android and the data shows when given the actually purchase decision it appears they choose what Google terms as normal size.
The 4" iPhone will be staying around. The only question is are they going to add one new size or two.
6 months ago I agreed with you but now I am more convinced that the 4" will only remain as the C type iPhone. The iPhone 6c will basically be the 5s in plastic will remain as 4" but I think the iPhone 6 will be offered only in larger size(s). There has not been one single leak about a new 4" design which is sort of strange. Not only that but Apple has no problem completing switching gears and letting go of a past design. Look at the transformation from the iPod nano 5th, 6th, and 7th generation. Or the new Mac Pro, or even the iPhone 5. They didn't continue to sell a new 3.5" version alongside the iPhone 5. They sold it as a cheaper (read end of life) type product. I think Apple wants to make a clean break and clearly differentiate their premium iPhone as larger and relegate the 4" to the same status the iPhone 4 and 4s held when the iPhone 5 was released.
Just saw the pict you added. What does that even mean? What is considered normal? What is large? what is small? I found this on Google developer.
xlarge screens are at least 960dp x 720dp. large screens are at least 640dp x 480dp. normal screens are at least 470dp x 320dp. small screens are at least 426dp x 320dp. (Android does not currently support screens smaller than this.)
I also found this:
In your chart normal was the most popular. But it would appear that normal includes around 3.5" to 5". There is also some overlap with small and large. Not sure your pict strengthened your case as much as you think.
Actually I would say that the Google data is saying normal is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range and what when people say larger they looking at the 5 to 7 inch range. so 80 of Android user are in the normal range, and only 7% are in the 5 to 7 range. Most of them are in the low res end so cheap big displays.
I got back to the fact Android consumers have chooses and lots of them, This is the complaint about apple, you any have anything you want from apple as long as it what apple is giving you so no really choose, they figure it out for you. On the other hand Android consumers can have what they want, but seem to only buy what they claim they do not want.
I am not saying apple will not be able to sell lots of larger display (4.7") but we will not know what until the consumer actually has the choose. The question we all do not know the answer to is what consumers on the android side choose normal size phones over larger and if Apple has figure that out and address the issues which will allow them to sell more and see if Samsung copies them again.
Actually I would say that the Google data is saying normal is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range and what when people say larger they looking at the 5 to 7 inch range. so 80 of Android user are in the normal range, and only 7% are in the 5 to 7 range. Most of them are in the low res end so cheap big displays.
I got back to the fact Android consumers have chooses and lots of them, This is the complaint about apple, you any have anything you want from apple as long as it what apple is giving you so no really choose, they figure it out for you. On the other hand Android consumers can have what they want, but seem to only buy what they claim they do not want.
I am not saying apple will not be able to sell lots of larger display (4.7") but we will not know what until the consumer actually has the choose. The question we all do not know the answer to is what consumers on the android side choose normal size phones over larger and if Apple has figure that out and address the issues which will allow them to sell more and see if Samsung copies them again.
To me it looks a lot closer to 4.8" to 5" than 4.5". And even if you are correct about 4.5" what if 90% of them have 4.5" which is still larger than the iPhone 5s. I think we can agree the chart is hard to actually get a clear picture with the overlap. We will find out who was right in the not so distant future. I honestly just can't imagine too many people choosing a 4" over a 4.7" iPhone 6. display size. Apple did their best to convince me 4" was the perfect size and they failed. I use my 5s with two hands and in landscape more often than one handed or vertical. I still want a larger display and I think I am far from alone. You failed to account for the possibly huge number of iPhone users who bought an iPhone for the hardware and iOS ecosystem but who crave a larger display. These people will only buy a 4" iPhone for so long before out of frustration they go with Android and Tim understand that.
If the screen is 4.7" diagonal that means it will be a 4.1" x 2.3" panel. If Apple doubles the current resolution of the iPhone 5s to 2272 x 1280 for the iPhone 6 it would make the display 555ppi. Those seem like good numbers for Apple's new flagship phone that won't require any changes other than @2x for all app assets, just as they did previously when they doubled the resolution. Plus, given Apple's love of "pretty" numbers 555ppi is a great number.
I'd like a 4.1-4.2 screen. One that fits on a phone the size of the current iPhone. Not bigger. This 4.7 model already looks too big to me. I just want a slightly wider screen. My Nexus S had a perfect width. About that pool, I think people can't judge until they hold the device in their hands, so I'll wait to pass judgement. After all, Apple products are meant to be touched and felt.
Just saw the pict you added. What does that even mean? What is considered normal? What is large? what is small? I found this on Google developer.
<ul style="border:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:30px;vertical-align:baseline;"><li style="border:0px;padding-top:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">xlarge screens are at least 960dp x 720dp. large screens are at least 640dp x 480dp. normal screens are at least 470dp x 320dp. small screens are at least 426dp x 320dp. (Android does not currently support screens smaller than this.)</li>
</ul>
<p style="border:0px;padding-top:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I also found this:</p>
<p style="border:0px;padding-top:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">In your chart normal was the most popular. But it would appear that normal includes around 3.5" to 5". There is also some overlap with small and large. Not sure your pict strengthened your case as much as you think. </p>
To me it looks a lot closer to 5" than 4.5". I think we can agree the chart is hard to actually get a clear picture with the overlap. We will find out who was right in the not so distant future. I honestly just can't imagine too many people choosing a 4" over a 4.7" iPhone 6. display size.
Well I seen this chart before, and Google is playing games with it, honestly you can not have overlaps like they did, either it is normal or large can not be in both camps at the same time. Ask your self why google did not put in the 3 and 5 and 6 on the chart, It a game they are playing to make people do what you did which was to read into what you wanted it to say.
I am not 100% sure but phones when reporting information about screen size does not say the actually physical size but they report the DPI and google is making some assumption about the physical size of the phone thus the reason for the over lap. When Google showed this data in the past it was clear that the largest majority of the consumers with Android phones was in the 4 and less range.
I will tell you I used all size of phone and recently play with the Samsung Galaxy phone with bigger display is it not easy to use, It does not fit well in the front pocket of dress pants and forget about tight jeans, it does not fit well in a shirt pocket if you bend over too quickly it come flying out of your pocket. just forget about put it in your back pocket. What you have to remember is where does the phone spend most of its time, in your pockets. Now I notice and talk to women who like the and use the bigger phones, but they put the phone in their purse so they do not care how big it is. But young girls generally do not carry purse as much.
My phone now is 4.3, it about the right size and work well, I do wish it was a little bigger so reading emails was easier. However, I have not found a phone which was bigger than 4.3 which does not have other issues. I would said it not the width of the phone that become the problem it is the length that you run into issue before the width gets too wide.
I'd like a 4.1-4.2 screen. One that fits on a phone the size of the current iPhone. Not bigger. This 4.7 model already looks too big to me. I just want a slightly wider screen. My Nexus S had a perfect width.
About that pool, I think people can't judge until they hold the device in their hands, so I'll wait to pass judgement. After all, Apple products are meant to be touched and felt.
What everybody is missing -- is that Apple highest-profit SKUs are iPhone and iPad cases ... By changing the sizes of the iDevice, Apple forces you to buy a new iDevice case (last year's just won't do) :smokey:
Can't you even read the page? Normal, large, etc... have nothing to do with resolution.
I certainly can but not so sure about you. Where did I say it had anything to do with resolution? I was simply pointing out that Google is very loose with these terms and charts and do not give a specific breakdown for example 45% are using 4.5", 38.2% 4", etc..
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Originally Posted by Maestro64
Well I seen this chart before, and Google is playing games with it, honestly you can not have overlaps like they did, either it is normal or large can not be in both camps at the same time. Ask your self why google did not put in the 3 and 5 and 6 on the chart, It a game they are playing to make people do what you did which was to read into what you wanted it to say.
I am not 100% sure but phones when reporting information about screen size does not say the actually physical size but they report the DPI and google is making some assumption about the physical size of the phone thus the reason for the over lap. When Google showed this data in the past it was clear that the largest majority of the consumers with Android phones was in the 4 and less range.
I will tell you I used all size of phone and recently play with the Samsung Galaxy phone with bigger display is it not easy to use, It does not fit well in the front pocket of dress pants and forget about tight jeans, it does not fit well in a shirt pocket if you bend over too quickly it come flying out of your pocket. just forget about put it in your back pocket. What you have to remember is where does the phone spend most of its time, in your pockets. Now I notice and talk to women who like the and use the bigger phones, but they put the phone in their purse so they do not care how big it is. But young girls generally do not carry purse as much.
My phone now is 4.3, it about the right size and work well, I do wish it was a little bigger so reading emails was easier. However, I have not found a phone which was bigger than 4.3 which does not have other issues. I would said it not the width of the phone that become the problem it is the length that you run into issue before the width gets too wide.
I have an iPhone 5s. My family and friends have mostly Android phones, a few Galaxy S3 and 4's, and even a few HTC One's. I have been able to hold and use their phones for short periods of time and also did the pocket test. They all fit perfectly fine in my pant pocket. I can't imagine anyone regardless of phone size would ever use their back pocket. If you wear a suit then the jacket pocket is also plenty large enough to accommodate large phones. I also carry a briefcase or a backpack most times which is where I tend to carry my iPhone. Even when I go out on the town in casual clothes I sometimes carry a small backpack which is a lot more common for men these days especially younger guys. Women aren't the only ones who have stuff to carry around after all. My point is that after using those Android phones with their big bright displays it is a big shock to see how small text and videos and everything appears on my 5s. I freely admit that if I had 20/20 eyesight I probably would not be complaining but I don't and neither does most of the world. My vision is such that I do not need glasses to read only for distance but at the same time cannot focus clearly at less than about 6" from my eyes. The larger displays on those Android phones really made all the difference in the world to me and was like viewing a HD TV for the first time if that makes sense.
Too big for a phone. Apple have been wholly consistent in their mantra of function being the driving force behind design change. My bet would be on Apple maxing out one handed phone operation with a slightly larger screen offset against smaller bezels and a more hand friendly shape on the sides. What if the larger screen device wasn't a phone at all (and therefore not breaking their phone usability mantra) but an updated iPod Touch designed for two hand use, mostly but not uniquely for games. Would also be great for internet content and for those who primarily use their handheld for messaging. Would be good for that surprisingly large group who hardly make a call on their phones, chat away all day, feel big is best, or/and want the smallest whilst still usable internet consumer (much as I love my 5S, trying to book a flight on it was painful last night).
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I agree with the Poll above. I believe we will see the small 4" iphone screens go the way of the buggy whip once the larger screens are on sale.
The 4" iPhone will be staying around. The only question is are they going to add one new size or two.
I do not believe these surveys, why, they are just people opinions of what they think they want. As Steve has always said and is true consumers do not know what they want. If they put an actually larger phone in these people hands and ask them to compare it to what they want and see if they would buy on the spot, I bet the results will tell you something different.
Even Google own date on the number of Android phones with larger displays is only about 15% of the population of Android devices. With Samsung and others all pushing larger displays why isn't this number a lot higher then. Google's actual data is telling a different story than someone asking people if they want a bigger display. With all things being equal they probably want a bigger display, until they have to use it. Google's data is showing actual consumers usage and purchasing preference, Too many company lost their shirts building product base on consumers opinions verse where they actually spend their money.
Data collected during a 7-day period ending on April 1, 014.
Any screen configurations with less than 0.1% distribution are not shown.
Just saw the pict you added. What does that even mean? What is considered normal? What is large? what is small? I found this on Google developer.
I also found this:
In your chart normal was the most popular. But it would appear that normal includes around 3.5" to 5". There is also some overlap with small and large. Not sure your pict strengthened your case as much as you think.
Of course a smaller percentage of Android users use larger screens since these phones tend to be far more expensive. In fact they are priced around the same as the iPhone. Most cellphone users in the world live in dirt poor countries and can only afford to buy dirt cheap sub $200 phones which tend to be smaller and in many cases run older versions of Android. Once there are larger phones under $200 I can promise you all those people will buy them over their smaller ones. It is not a preference for a smaller display it is a preference to eat dinner and not go homeless.
By your logic when Apple releases a larger phone then you should respect their ability to tell you what you really want and buy a larger one since you were wrong in thinking 4" was a good size for you.
Again look at Google's data the cheap ass phone would be on the left of the chart, lower res and smaller displays the higher res, high cost on the right, more users on that side of the chart. I do not believe Google's usage data take into consideration user who can barely feed themselves. As we know cheap Android phone user do not use the phone as intended so it probably not showing up in the data.
Also, anyone who does consumer purchasing preference will tell you, you can not trust consumers opinions, you have to give them a purchase trade off decision to really determine wants, needs and other things over them actually making the purchase. Consumers have the trade off with Android and the data shows when given the actually purchase decision it appears they choose what Google terms as normal size.
iPhone mini - 4"
iPhone Air - 4.7"
iPhone Pro - 5.5"
According to Kuo, Apple apparently plans to include a bezel-less design with the rumored 4.7-inch model to continue to allow one-handed use
I think I know what is going on. Samsung hired Kuo to seed wrong expectations...
And now everyone is upset that not even a fraction of a millimeter of a bezel was actually removed. This is just dumb scaled out version of iPhone-5.
I remember Cook was saying that Androind phablets are full of compromises. But this ugly monster just goes beyond that.
But he's much finer proving people wrong.
In defense of TS I've actually seen him admit he was wrong.
The 4" iPhone will be staying around. The only question is are they going to add one new size or two.
6 months ago I agreed with you but now I am more convinced that the 4" will only remain as the C type iPhone. The iPhone 6c will basically be the 5s in plastic will remain as 4" but I think the iPhone 6 will be offered only in larger size(s). There has not been one single leak about a new 4" design which is sort of strange. Not only that but Apple has no problem completing switching gears and letting go of a past design. Look at the transformation from the iPod nano 5th, 6th, and 7th generation. Or the new Mac Pro, or even the iPhone 5. They didn't continue to sell a new 3.5" version alongside the iPhone 5. They sold it as a cheaper (read end of life) type product. I think Apple wants to make a clean break and clearly differentiate their premium iPhone as larger and relegate the 4" to the same status the iPhone 4 and 4s held when the iPhone 5 was released.
Just saw the pict you added. What does that even mean? What is considered normal? What is large? what is small? I found this on Google developer.
I also found this:
In your chart normal was the most popular. But it would appear that normal includes around 3.5" to 5". There is also some overlap with small and large. Not sure your pict strengthened your case as much as you think.
Actually I would say that the Google data is saying normal is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range and what when people say larger they looking at the 5 to 7 inch range. so 80 of Android user are in the normal range, and only 7% are in the 5 to 7 range. Most of them are in the low res end so cheap big displays.
I got back to the fact Android consumers have chooses and lots of them, This is the complaint about apple, you any have anything you want from apple as long as it what apple is giving you so no really choose, they figure it out for you. On the other hand Android consumers can have what they want, but seem to only buy what they claim they do not want.
I am not saying apple will not be able to sell lots of larger display (4.7") but we will not know what until the consumer actually has the choose. The question we all do not know the answer to is what consumers on the android side choose normal size phones over larger and if Apple has figure that out and address the issues which will allow them to sell more and see if Samsung copies them again.
Actually I would say that the Google data is saying normal is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range and what when people say larger they looking at the 5 to 7 inch range. so 80 of Android user are in the normal range, and only 7% are in the 5 to 7 range. Most of them are in the low res end so cheap big displays.
I got back to the fact Android consumers have chooses and lots of them, This is the complaint about apple, you any have anything you want from apple as long as it what apple is giving you so no really choose, they figure it out for you. On the other hand Android consumers can have what they want, but seem to only buy what they claim they do not want.
I am not saying apple will not be able to sell lots of larger display (4.7") but we will not know what until the consumer actually has the choose. The question we all do not know the answer to is what consumers on the android side choose normal size phones over larger and if Apple has figure that out and address the issues which will allow them to sell more and see if Samsung copies them again.
To me it looks a lot closer to 4.8" to 5" than 4.5". And even if you are correct about 4.5" what if 90% of them have 4.5" which is still larger than the iPhone 5s. I think we can agree the chart is hard to actually get a clear picture with the overlap. We will find out who was right in the not so distant future. I honestly just can't imagine too many people choosing a 4" over a 4.7" iPhone 6. display size. Apple did their best to convince me 4" was the perfect size and they failed. I use my 5s with two hands and in landscape more often than one handed or vertical. I still want a larger display and I think I am far from alone. You failed to account for the possibly huge number of iPhone users who bought an iPhone for the hardware and iOS ecosystem but who crave a larger display. These people will only buy a 4" iPhone for so long before out of frustration they go with Android and Tim understand that.
If the screen is 4.7" diagonal that means it will be a 4.1" x 2.3" panel. If Apple doubles the current resolution of the iPhone 5s to 2272 x 1280 for the iPhone 6 it would make the display 555ppi. Those seem like good numbers for Apple's new flagship phone that won't require any changes other than @2x for all app assets, just as they did previously when they doubled the resolution. Plus, given Apple's love of "pretty" numbers 555ppi is a great number.
About that pool, I think people can't judge until they hold the device in their hands, so I'll wait to pass judgement. After all, Apple products are meant to be touched and felt.
Can't you even read the page? Normal, large, etc... have nothing to do with resolution.
To me it looks a lot closer to 5" than 4.5". I think we can agree the chart is hard to actually get a clear picture with the overlap. We will find out who was right in the not so distant future. I honestly just can't imagine too many people choosing a 4" over a 4.7" iPhone 6. display size.
Well I seen this chart before, and Google is playing games with it, honestly you can not have overlaps like they did, either it is normal or large can not be in both camps at the same time. Ask your self why google did not put in the 3 and 5 and 6 on the chart, It a game they are playing to make people do what you did which was to read into what you wanted it to say.
I am not 100% sure but phones when reporting information about screen size does not say the actually physical size but they report the DPI and google is making some assumption about the physical size of the phone thus the reason for the over lap. When Google showed this data in the past it was clear that the largest majority of the consumers with Android phones was in the 4 and less range.
I will tell you I used all size of phone and recently play with the Samsung Galaxy phone with bigger display is it not easy to use, It does not fit well in the front pocket of dress pants and forget about tight jeans, it does not fit well in a shirt pocket if you bend over too quickly it come flying out of your pocket. just forget about put it in your back pocket. What you have to remember is where does the phone spend most of its time, in your pockets. Now I notice and talk to women who like the and use the bigger phones, but they put the phone in their purse so they do not care how big it is. But young girls generally do not carry purse as much.
My phone now is 4.3, it about the right size and work well, I do wish it was a little bigger so reading emails was easier. However, I have not found a phone which was bigger than 4.3 which does not have other issues. I would said it not the width of the phone that become the problem it is the length that you run into issue before the width gets too wide.
What everybody is missing -- is that Apple highest-profit SKUs are iPhone and iPad cases ... By changing the sizes of the iDevice, Apple forces you to buy a new iDevice case (last year's just won't do) :smokey:
Can't you even read the page? Normal, large, etc... have nothing to do with resolution.
I certainly can but not so sure about you. Where did I say it had anything to do with resolution? I was simply pointing out that Google is very loose with these terms and charts and do not give a specific breakdown for example 45% are using 4.5", 38.2% 4", etc..
Well I seen this chart before, and Google is playing games with it, honestly you can not have overlaps like they did, either it is normal or large can not be in both camps at the same time. Ask your self why google did not put in the 3 and 5 and 6 on the chart, It a game they are playing to make people do what you did which was to read into what you wanted it to say.
I am not 100% sure but phones when reporting information about screen size does not say the actually physical size but they report the DPI and google is making some assumption about the physical size of the phone thus the reason for the over lap. When Google showed this data in the past it was clear that the largest majority of the consumers with Android phones was in the 4 and less range.
I will tell you I used all size of phone and recently play with the Samsung Galaxy phone with bigger display is it not easy to use, It does not fit well in the front pocket of dress pants and forget about tight jeans, it does not fit well in a shirt pocket if you bend over too quickly it come flying out of your pocket. just forget about put it in your back pocket. What you have to remember is where does the phone spend most of its time, in your pockets. Now I notice and talk to women who like the and use the bigger phones, but they put the phone in their purse so they do not care how big it is. But young girls generally do not carry purse as much.
My phone now is 4.3, it about the right size and work well, I do wish it was a little bigger so reading emails was easier. However, I have not found a phone which was bigger than 4.3 which does not have other issues. I would said it not the width of the phone that become the problem it is the length that you run into issue before the width gets too wide.
I have an iPhone 5s. My family and friends have mostly Android phones, a few Galaxy S3 and 4's, and even a few HTC One's. I have been able to hold and use their phones for short periods of time and also did the pocket test. They all fit perfectly fine in my pant pocket. I can't imagine anyone regardless of phone size would ever use their back pocket. If you wear a suit then the jacket pocket is also plenty large enough to accommodate large phones. I also carry a briefcase or a backpack most times which is where I tend to carry my iPhone. Even when I go out on the town in casual clothes I sometimes carry a small backpack which is a lot more common for men these days especially younger guys. Women aren't the only ones who have stuff to carry around after all. My point is that after using those Android phones with their big bright displays it is a big shock to see how small text and videos and everything appears on my 5s. I freely admit that if I had 20/20 eyesight I probably would not be complaining but I don't and neither does most of the world. My vision is such that I do not need glasses to read only for distance but at the same time cannot focus clearly at less than about 6" from my eyes. The larger displays on those Android phones really made all the difference in the world to me and was like viewing a HD TV for the first time if that makes sense.
Here is the new lineup (based on pure speculation, just like most rumors):
iPhone mini - 4"
iPhone Air - 4.7"
iPhone Pro - 5.5"
iPhone - 4"
iPhone Pro - 4.7"
iPhone Air... head - 5.5"