I hear this a lot on this forum. People think if Apple releases a 4" and a larger phone that the 4" would be the bigger seller. What I want to know is what do you base this on? In every online poll I have seen in the last two years the larger sizes were an overwhelming majority. And in polls asking between a 4.7" and 5.5" the larger one was winning in all the polls I saw. People that want to keep 4" were only around 10% to the highest I saw at 28%. Many of these polls also have thousands of respondents. I realize polls can be skewed or inaccurate but can all of them be wrong? Anecdotally every single person I know with an iPhone wants a larger display including me. Not one single iPhone owner I know said they are happy with 4". So please enlighten me on your rationale for thinking a 4" iPhone would outsell a product when all evidence seem to suggest the opposite. This is beginning to remind me of republicans dismissing polling data in the last presidential election.
Obviously a 5 inch is too big, 4 inch is much closer than right, if it's more than 4.7 I do see apple losing 10%-40% of current buyers, of course bringing 10% in, but would be loss.
I could see them adding another .5 to .75" to the iPhone screen size. If nothing else just to partially accommodate the phablet-loving masses in Asia. Beyond that, I still think they'd be more inclined to make an iPad "nano" with a 6" screen size instead of a massive "phone".
That said, it's also possible an iPad Nano could have some kind of telephony built in. As it is, FaceTime Audio over "iPad cellular" is almost that already, right? So why not? Still an iPad, not an iPhone... If I were Apple I'd do it that way instead of a true "phablet". Leave those awful beasts to Samsung.
Whoever measured that first photo made the big mistake of ignoring the fact that one was much closer to the camera than the other. Glad to see other photos of what appears to be the same part. I must say I'm not a fan. The large top/bottom bezel used by Apple makes the overall phone much taller than competing devices, even those with larger screen sizes like the Nexus 5. An iPhone with a 5.5" display would be truly enormous like that crazy-big Galaxy Mega with a 6.3" screen.
I agree with the Poll above. I believe we will see the small 4" iphone screens go the way of the buggy whip once the larger screens are on sale. Does anyone want the smaller original iphone or 3GS screen size anymore? Nope. Think folks. Apple is way behind and playing catch up. The larger iphones are the last huge catalyst for upgrade and Apple knows it. It is pondering a $100 add'l for the larger screen iphone to milk it to the end.
Once on sale the only people buying smaller screen iphones are the ones who do it SOLELY because of price. If Apple had the price the same the number of small screen iphones sold would barely be a rounding error.
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
Same reason I own an iphone 5. I settled because I like the OS and ecosystem. I don't like the screensize but what choice do I have? I'm sure not everyone agrees with me and jumped ship to larger screens and apple lost them. Maybe most lost forever but some will come back with the larger screen finally being offered after all these many years.
Also the company line that they kept phones small so you could use with one hand is BS. It was propoganda. If they really believed that they still would not be making a large screen phone this year. We all know this.
Apple needs, or, more accurately, takes advantage of, Samsung, the Android ecosystem, and, to a lesser extent Microsoft/Nokia and the Windows model, to reflect Apple's constantly changing state in a coevolutionary dance where Apple's adversaries are forced to test the waters of new forms that might be viable but are not yet profitable. This is currently represented in the many different screen sizes offered by the competition but has played out at other times, both large and small.
Apple allowed others to jump aboard the 4G buildout, jumping aboard itself only when 4G stabilized around the LTE standard. Others spent evolutionary cycles in efforts akin to purchasing pre-construction from an insolvent builder. Once the world coalesced around a stable set of standards with critical mass that ensured uptake and lowered costs for all players, Apple added 4G support in their products.
Apple allowed others to experiment with smaller tablet form factors, while criticizing the whole notion. Once the competition proved the viability of a market, Apple took action, entering with a strong offering that supported Apple's existing app ecosystem, provided a larger display than the competing small tablets, and maintained the full-size iPad's more practical aspect ratio.
Apple allowed others to experiment with larger smartphone displays. The introduction of the iPhone 5 borrowed from what Apple learned and changed the aspect ratio to the 16:9 aspect ratio utilized in HD video and shown as successful in many of the existing large screen smartphones. This also allowed Apple to increase the size of the display in a nod to the greater utility of a larger display, while maintaining the width of the handset that allows effective single-handed use and trumpeting this over the competition. Apple has a habit of downplaying the competition’s advantages before co-opting them.
In zero-sum games you always try to hide your strategy. But in nonzero-sum games you might want to announce your strategy in public so the other players need to adapt to it.
Is Apple playing a zero-sum game against Samsung? Not quite. Apple selectively allows other players in on its plans, and it clearly cannot hide what it's been doing once it introduces a new iPhone or iPad. Apple lets the competition know certain information ahead of time. For example, who doesn't know that a new iPhone will be introduced in September? By being consistent in its iPhone release schedule, Apple influences Samsung. Samsung knows its semiconductor/displays/memory sales will get a surge in revenues coincident with Apple's release, and it knows to set its own annual release far enough offset in the calendar with Apple's to allow itself time to mimic any new capabilities it wants from each new iPhone introduction. Apple takes advantage by keeping Samsung hooked on iPhone component revenues, just enough and only until Apple no longer needs Sammy in this respect, and also takes advantage by picking the better date on the calendar for its iPhone and iPad refreshes. Coevolution among these two competitors allows Apple to both choose the music and lead the dance.
Not sure i agree. By this logic apple would have waited for co's to prove an iphone like smartphone was viable before they entered the space. Also same with ipad. Let others enter the tablet space before apple and find out if it was in fact viable. After all everyone mocked iPad when it was announced (later to be proven quite wrong). Apple leads when it can which was under Jobs. Under Cook they certainly seem to follow a lot more.
Apple should be skating to where the puck will be, not where it is. Another example is iTunes. IT's dying. Why? Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, etc. Apple needs to buy Spotify yesterday. Their model and implementation of what a music service should be is perfection. I used to buy lots of songs on iTunes but once I downloaded spotify never opened iTunes again. All music, non music albums, etc all at your fingertips perfectly and instantly sync'd across every mobile, tablet and desktop. iTunes couldn't do that (well almost if you buy Match but even that wasn't working well for me on my home entertainment setup). Again apple is behind the curve here and trying to catch up with iRadio. WTF. Buy Pandora. Buy Spotify. Buy both. Or let them continue to grow and prove like you said just how wrong they are on their current strategy and try to buy or build their way out of it in 5 years at MUCH higher cost.
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
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Same reason I own an iphone 5. I settled because I like the OS and ecosystem. I don't like the screensize but what choice do I have? I'm sure not everyone agrees with me and jumped ship to larger screens and apple lost them. Maybe most lost forever but some will come back with the larger screen finally being offered after all these many years.
Also the company line that they kept phones small so you could use with one hand is BS. It was propoganda. If they really believed that they still would not be making a large screen phone this year. We all know this.
Both of these are right iPhones are the best selling phones because they are great phones. Period. At the same time, for those that like them, big screens just open a whole new level of usability. I'm glad Apple users will finally get an opportunity to choose, but I hope Apple does at least continue to offer a 4" for those that prefer them. Personally I think some of the bigger large screen haters will be converts once they try them.
The newer mockup pictures are *WAY* sexy so I hope DED and AI have formally banished the prior resized 5s pictures. The danger is the mockups end up being better than what is delivered. No side bezel is a tall order. It would totally rock if Apple can pull it off. It would almost force a stronger screen material, and hopefully they'd kill the edge pixels touch sensitivity to avoid spurious touches.
Do you really believe that Jonny Ive and Apple would create such a monstrosity?
Really?
As long as they make a bigger screen of 4.7 or my personal preference 5.5. I don't care for the small screen of the current iPhone. Which is why I've moved on to what I wanted out of a phone. It fits just fine in all my pockets and I'm able to use it with one hand.
If Apple gets with the program and makes a phone I want again, I'll be happy to come back. I want to. But I want a bigger screen more than what Apple offers as an ecosystem. I've found that except for a few apps, I can do everything on my current phone that the iPhone can do. Actually more.
So, just like many others, I want and demand a bigger screen and will go with the company that provides me my needs.
Anyone think Apple is throwing fakes out there early in the process this year to find out where the leaks are coming from? Double-down Cook needs to keep his word.
I was hoping Apple would release the first bezel-less phone this year. I just think they look cool. Small bezels are more practical unless they have the ability to discern inadvertent touches by now.
Anyone think Apple is throwing fakes out there early in the process this year to find out where the leaks are coming from? Double-down Cook needs to keep his word.
It could also be a ruse to keep people from buying the SGS 5 and HTC One
I personally dont think 5" is a Phablet, But 5.5" certainly is or 6".
But then by Apple standard anything larger then 4" propberly isn't a Phone but Phablet as well.
May be what Tim Cook said about any reasonable person would think of it as a new category would actually be an iPod with Phone capability. Hence the 4.7" and 5.5" Screen Size.
As long as they make a bigger screen of 4.7 or my personal preference 5.5. I don't care for the small screen of the current iPhone. Which is why I've moved on to what I wanted out of a phone. It fits just fine in all my pockets and I'm able to use it with one hand.
If Apple gets with the program and makes a phone I want again, I'll be happy to come back. I want to. But I want a bigger screen more than what Apple offers as an ecosystem. I've found that except for a few apps, I can do everything on my current phone that the iPhone can do. Actually more.
So, just like many others, I want and demand a bigger screen and will go with the company that provides me my needs.
That's fine and all that but has absolutely nothing to do with my original comment.
That being, do you really think that Jonny Ive and Apple would build a 16 X 9 phone with a 5.1" diagonal?
I find it highly uncharacteristic of both Ive and Apple... so my answer would be, "No".
Had this article been about a 4.7" phone then I would have said, "Yes".
You on the other hand seem to believe the article, saying that Apple is building a 5.1" phone.
I cannot for a minute imagine that Apple will go wholesale to a larger format. A new format will be an addition to the present size - which I am pretty sure will remain the better seller, at least in North America and Europe.
Right - and a Gold iPhone would never be the bestseller in North America and Europe.
Can't you even read the page? Normal, large, etc... have nothing to do with resolution.
I don't get Google either here; what has resolution to do with the size of the display? Obviously they're related, but S/M/L/XL shouldn't be expressed in # of pixels.
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Obviously a 5 inch is too big, 4 inch is much closer than right, if it's more than 4.7 I do see apple losing 10%-40% of current buyers, of course bringing 10% in, but would be loss.
That said, it's also possible an iPad Nano could have some kind of telephony built in. As it is, FaceTime Audio over "iPad cellular" is almost that already, right? So why not? Still an iPad, not an iPhone... If I were Apple I'd do it that way instead of a true "phablet". Leave those awful beasts to Samsung.
Whoever measured that first photo made the big mistake of ignoring the fact that one was much closer to the camera than the other. Glad to see other photos of what appears to be the same part. I must say I'm not a fan. The large top/bottom bezel used by Apple makes the overall phone much taller than competing devices, even those with larger screen sizes like the Nexus 5. An iPhone with a 5.5" display would be truly enormous like that crazy-big Galaxy Mega with a 6.3" screen.
I agree with the Poll above. I believe we will see the small 4" iphone screens go the way of the buggy whip once the larger screens are on sale. Does anyone want the smaller original iphone or 3GS screen size anymore? Nope. Think folks. Apple is way behind and playing catch up. The larger iphones are the last huge catalyst for upgrade and Apple knows it. It is pondering a $100 add'l for the larger screen iphone to milk it to the end.
Once on sale the only people buying smaller screen iphones are the ones who do it SOLELY because of price. If Apple had the price the same the number of small screen iphones sold would barely be a rounding error.
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
Same reason I own an iphone 5. I settled because I like the OS and ecosystem. I don't like the screensize but what choice do I have? I'm sure not everyone agrees with me and jumped ship to larger screens and apple lost them. Maybe most lost forever but some will come back with the larger screen finally being offered after all these many years.
Also the company line that they kept phones small so you could use with one hand is BS. It was propoganda. If they really believed that they still would not be making a large screen phone this year. We all know this.
Not sure i agree. By this logic apple would have waited for co's to prove an iphone like smartphone was viable before they entered the space. Also same with ipad. Let others enter the tablet space before apple and find out if it was in fact viable. After all everyone mocked iPad when it was announced (later to be proven quite wrong). Apple leads when it can which was under Jobs. Under Cook they certainly seem to follow a lot more.
Apple should be skating to where the puck will be, not where it is. Another example is iTunes. IT's dying. Why? Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, etc. Apple needs to buy Spotify yesterday. Their model and implementation of what a music service should be is perfection. I used to buy lots of songs on iTunes but once I downloaded spotify never opened iTunes again. All music, non music albums, etc all at your fingertips perfectly and instantly sync'd across every mobile, tablet and desktop. iTunes couldn't do that (well almost if you buy Match but even that wasn't working well for me on my home entertainment setup). Again apple is behind the curve here and trying to catch up with iRadio. WTF. Buy Pandora. Buy Spotify. Buy both. Or let them continue to grow and prove like you said just how wrong they are on their current strategy and try to buy or build their way out of it in 5 years at MUCH higher cost.
Then why are iPhones the best selling smartphones every single year?
Same reason I own an iphone 5. I settled because I like the OS and ecosystem. I don't like the screensize but what choice do I have? I'm sure not everyone agrees with me and jumped ship to larger screens and apple lost them. Maybe most lost forever but some will come back with the larger screen finally being offered after all these many years.
Also the company line that they kept phones small so you could use with one hand is BS. It was propoganda. If they really believed that they still would not be making a large screen phone this year. We all know this.
Both of these are right
iPhones are the best selling phones because they are great phones. Period. At the same time, for those that like them, big screens just open a whole new level of usability. I'm glad Apple users will finally get an opportunity to choose, but I hope Apple does at least continue to offer a 4" for those that prefer them. Personally I think some of the bigger large screen haters will be converts once they try them.
The newer mockup pictures are *WAY* sexy so I hope DED and AI have formally banished the prior resized 5s pictures. The danger is the mockups end up being better than what is delivered. No side bezel is a tall order. It would totally rock if Apple can pull it off. It would almost force a stronger screen material, and hopefully they'd kill the edge pixels touch sensitivity to avoid spurious touches.
Excellent illustration. This shows the screen with be the 1334x750 4.7" display predicted by Kuo.
But but at the same time didn't Kuo predicted bezel-less display (at least on a side)?
What we see here is notoriously the same waste of space. These bezels along with the Home button are becoming "iconic" features of the iPhone.
Someone on Reddit solved the size of this thing at 4.7" via one simple line:
Quite embarrassing for that developer. But he gets attention either way I suppose.
YES
YES
Do you really believe that Jonny Ive and Apple would create such a monstrosity?
Really?
As long as they make a bigger screen of 4.7 or my personal preference 5.5. I don't care for the small screen of the current iPhone. Which is why I've moved on to what I wanted out of a phone. It fits just fine in all my pockets and I'm able to use it with one hand.
If Apple gets with the program and makes a phone I want again, I'll be happy to come back. I want to. But I want a bigger screen more than what Apple offers as an ecosystem. I've found that except for a few apps, I can do everything on my current phone that the iPhone can do. Actually more.
So, just like many others, I want and demand a bigger screen and will go with the company that provides me my needs.
I was hoping Apple would release the first bezel-less phone this year. I just think they look cool. Small bezels are more practical unless they have the ability to discern inadvertent touches by now.
It could also be a ruse to keep people from buying the SGS 5 and HTC One
I personally dont think 5" is a Phablet, But 5.5" certainly is or 6".
But then by Apple standard anything larger then 4" propberly isn't a Phone but Phablet as well.
May be what Tim Cook said about any reasonable person would think of it as a new category would actually be an iPod with Phone capability. Hence the 4.7" and 5.5" Screen Size.
As long as they make a bigger screen of 4.7 or my personal preference 5.5. I don't care for the small screen of the current iPhone. Which is why I've moved on to what I wanted out of a phone. It fits just fine in all my pockets and I'm able to use it with one hand.
If Apple gets with the program and makes a phone I want again, I'll be happy to come back. I want to. But I want a bigger screen more than what Apple offers as an ecosystem. I've found that except for a few apps, I can do everything on my current phone that the iPhone can do. Actually more.
So, just like many others, I want and demand a bigger screen and will go with the company that provides me my needs.
That's fine and all that but has absolutely nothing to do with my original comment.
That being, do you really think that Jonny Ive and Apple would build a 16 X 9 phone with a 5.1" diagonal?
I find it highly uncharacteristic of both Ive and Apple... so my answer would be, "No".
Had this article been about a 4.7" phone then I would have said, "Yes".
You on the other hand seem to believe the article, saying that Apple is building a 5.1" phone.
I'll continue with this in the fall.
My apologies than. I misunderstood your "NO" as not wanting a larger screen. So, I'll agree with your "NO" as the 5.1 size.
I want and need a larger screen and will be first in line for whatever the larger size happens to be.
I cannot for a minute imagine that Apple will go wholesale to a larger format. A new format will be an addition to the present size - which I am pretty sure will remain the better seller, at least in North America and Europe.
Right - and a Gold iPhone would never be the bestseller in North America and Europe.
A 2nd question would be if the innards of the 4" iPhone would be updated with this years' tech or not.
I don't get Google either here; what has resolution to do with the size of the display? Obviously they're related, but S/M/L/XL shouldn't be expressed in # of pixels.
That might create quite a challenge for case makers.