Rumor again claims Apple's jumbo-sized 5.5" iPhone will launch after new, larger 4.7" model

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  • Reply 121 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
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    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post



    Samsung also wouldn't try to patent one-handed operation on the S5:



    http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-release-date-coming-custom-one-hand-operation-patent-surfaces-samsung-develops



    I won't read the patent details but I will say this: Obvious! Prior art! Apple's had one-handed operation for years. Samsung's trying to patent the use of a hand! Why don't they innovate more instead of trying to use such basic and obvious things for litigation?



    One handed use isn't essential at all times but there are times when it's very useful such as someone carrying shopping in one hand or holding a partner's or child's hand. 

     

    I have the S5, and one handed operation works pretty brilliantly. It essentially converts the screen into a resizable window with one easy gesture. 

     

    There are certain times as you said, where one handed operation is very valuable. For me it's the gym and walking around town. One gesture and my 5.1" screen turns into a 16:9, 4" window just like my iPhone 5S. Very easy to use with one hand. 

     

    The bottom row has multitasking, home, and back buttons, and also a volume up/down controls. Rather than fumbling and repositioning the device in your hand before you can reach the volume keys, or using a different hand, simply tap the bottom icons and you’re G2G.

     

    With the display being amoled, the unused screen space doesn't waste power either. The black portion is basically dead in this mode. The sizing is also infinite, not stepped. And the window can be positioned anywhere to fit nearly all grip types.

     

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  • Reply 122 of 149
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,524moderator
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  • Reply 123 of 149
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Technarchy View Post


     

    I love this.

     

    1. It’s a hilariously pathetic implementation.

    2. It proves everything we’ve ever said about these devices.

    3. Gotta be more.

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  • Reply 124 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/178746/rumor-again-claims-apples-jumbo-sized-5-5-iphone-will-launch-after-new-larger-4-7-model/80#post_2526889" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">Technarchy</strong><span style="line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/178746/rumor-again-claims-apples-jumbo-sized-5-5-iphone-will-launch-after-new-larger-4-7-model/80#post_2526889" style="line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block"><p><a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/42609/" style="line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="" data-id="42609" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/42609/width/350/height/700" /></a></p><p><a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/42610/"><img alt="" data-id="42610" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/42610/width/350/height/700" /></a></p></div></div><p> </p><p><strong>I love this.</strong></p><p> </p><p>1. It’s a hilariously pathetic implementation.</p><p>2. It proves everything we’ve ever said about these devices.</p><p>3. Gotta be more.</p>

    Not pathetic at all. Does exactly what it needs to do when you need it.
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  • Reply 125 of 149
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    technarchy wrote: »
    Not pathetic at all. Does exactly what it needs to do when you need it.

    How many steps does it take to enable/disable it?

    If you tell me the device has sensors built into the casing that make it auto-sensing and truly intelligent enough to know when you're holding and attempting to use it with just one hand it know where to place size the device I may agree, but I have a feeling that's not the case.
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  • Reply 126 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    technarchy wrote: »
    Not pathetic at all. Does exactly what it needs to do when you need it.

    How many steps does it take to enable/disable it?

    If you tell me the device has sensors built into the casing that make it auto-sensing and truly intelligent enough to know when you're holding and attempting to use it with just one hand it know where to place size the device I may agree, but I have a feeling that's not the case.

    Activation is gesture based. As arduous as swiping between pages in Safari in iOS. Literally.

    Disable is one tap.

    Dead simple for the times it is needed.
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  • Reply 127 of 149
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Technarchy View Post

    Not pathetic at all. Does exactly what it needs to do when you need it.

     

    Except then there’s no point to a larger screen.

     

    Though I’m warming to 4.7” a little.

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  • Reply 128 of 149
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Except then there’s no point to a larger screen.

    Though I’m warming to 4.7” a little.

    I've been saying for years that people don't have an issue with anther display, it's having to get a significantly larger and heavier device in order to have it. If the usability isn't severely hampered by comparison then I'm all for it. And while I see how Apple could make the impact of a 4.7" device inline with the current iPhone I have trouble seeing this happening for a 5.5" model.

    That said, culture change and Apple has successfully deprecated the need for the traditional "PC" that larger mobile devices as a primary computing device seem to the trend, especially in countries with logographic systems.
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  • Reply 129 of 149
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    …especially in countries with logographic systems.

     

    They never had a problem with flip phone screens, though. I’m to understand that Japan still has a fairly large share of them.

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  • Reply 130 of 149
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    They never had a problem with flip phone screens, though. I’m to understand that Japan still has a fairly large share of them.

    Define problem? If you count the number of units sold or used we never had a problem with flip phones of blackberries (or any other less effective technological option) but when something more useful get presented it can quickly become canon. The iPhone and iPad are direct examples of this, and I think a larger display is likely more useful for cultures with complex logographies.
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  • Reply 131 of 149
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    Define problem?

     

    Wasn’t your implication that the screen was too small for either readability or usability regarding the input thereof, and that a larger screen (having, assumedly, more pixels and/or a greater surface area) would facilitate it better?

     

    I keep remembering Japan still having a large number of flip phones despite all these other options.

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  • Reply 132 of 149
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Wasn’t your implication that the screen was too small for either readability or usability regarding the input thereof, and that a larger screen (having, assumedly, more pixels and/or a greater surface area) would facilitate it better?

    I keep remembering Japan still having a large number of flip phones despite all these other options.

    It's not about being bad, but rather something being more ideal. Take the SDTV we grew up on. SD TV tubes and SD channels. These weren't unwatchable, but HDTVs which LED backlights and HD channels are better.

    Technology is an interesting beast because we can go from not conceiving of something or feeling we don't need/want it to feeling as though we have to have it almost instantaneously. The Blackberry wasn't bad before the iPhone but now it's laughable. The 3.5" 480x360 resolution iPhone was a huge display with a lot of pixels for its time but now we want a lot more because it's more useful, even though you can still read on the original iPhone.

    With logograms I can conceive of those users finding a larger display more useful and therefore gravitating to even phablet sized devices, especially if that is their primary personal computing device.
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  • Reply 133 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Except then there’s no point to a larger screen.

     

    Though I’m warming to 4.7” a little.


     

     

    That's a matter of opinion and preference. Apple being who they are, would not increase screen size if there was no point. 

     

    The point being I suspect Apple being unable to cram more tech into a small chassis and public demand.

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  • Reply 134 of 149
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    It's not about being bad, but rather something being more ideal.

     

    Ah, okay. I understand now. But still, you’d think that if a platform was more ideal for a certain type of input (et. al.) that they’d be flocking to it by now…

     

    Originally Posted by Technarchy View Post

    The point being I suspect Apple being unable to cram more tech into a small chassis and public demand.


     

    People don’t know what they want until you show it to them. ;)

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  • Reply 135 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Ah, okay. I understand now. But still, you’d think that if a platform was more ideal for a certain type of input (et. al.) that they’d be flocking to it by now…

     

     

    People don’t know what they want until you show it to them. ;)


     

    To your first point, to some extent people are flocking. All one need do is consider collectively that most people buying an LG G2, HTC One, Samsung S4/S5, Note 3, etc etc are not also buying iPhones. While I have an S5 and 5S and 5, I am certainly in the minority. Otherwise that will equate to well north of 40 million+ people who are passing over the iPhone, and I'm willing to bet the screen size is the number one allure of competitors. Most of these competitors are also in the same flagship price bracket so price will not be the defining factor.

     

    To your 2nd point, yes Apple has been very good at opening eyes, but in this case eyes are already open. People are just waiting on Apple to get it together: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/178977/survey-suggests-apple-could-sell-15m-more-iphones-in-us-with-larger-5-display-option

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  • Reply 136 of 149
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    technarchy wrote: »
    To your first point, to some extent people are flocking. All one need do is consider collectively that most people buying an LG G2, HTC One, Samsung S4/S5, Note 3, etc etc are not also buying iPhones. While I have an S5 and 5S and 5, I am certainly in the minority. Otherwise that will equate to well north of 40 million+ people who are passing over the iPhone

    Many more are flocking to the iPhone as indicative by the most recent sales number.
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  • Reply 137 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    technarchy wrote: »
    To your first point, to some extent people are flocking. All one need do is consider collectively that most people buying an LG G2, HTC One, Samsung S4/S5, Note 3, etc etc are not also buying iPhones. While I have an S5 and 5S and 5, I am certainly in the minority. Otherwise that will equate to well north of 40 million+ people who are passing over the iPhone

    Many more are flocking to the iPhone as indicative by the most recent sales number.

    This is not a zero sum game.

    Rewind to 2011 and among flagship device buying consumers it was damn near all iPhone.

    That's not the case anymore. Now tens of millions are actively passing over the iPhone for competing flagship devices, with the largest impetus being screen size.
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  • Reply 138 of 149
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    technarchy wrote: »
    This is not a zero sum game.

    Rewind to 2011 and among flagship device buying consumers it was damn near all iPhone.

    That's not the case anymore. Now tens of millions are actively passing over the iPhone for competing flagship devices, with the largest impetus being screen size.

    So if Apple makes a big screen phone, then what? What's the next feature to go after? Do you want Apple to be the only company that's successful selling smartphones?
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  • Reply 139 of 149
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
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    So if Apple makes a big screen phone, then what? 

     

    Then there will probably be blood in the streets for a short period of time as lots of android phones don't get sold. The great disparity currently present that draws people to android will be gone resulting in: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/178977/survey-suggests-apple-could-sell-15m-more-iphones-in-us-with-larger-5-display-option

     

    Quote:

     What's the next feature to go after?


     

    Whatever the market dictates, apparently, since that is driving the increased screen size. Tim Cook and SJ have made their thoughts on screen size well known and it conflicts with the current market trends and demands so Apple is conforming.

     

    Quote:

      Do you want Apple to be the only company that's successful selling smartphones?


     

    Irrelevant, and insipid. 

     

    I like my iPhone 5S, and I like my Samsung S5 even more so it is my daily driver. I'm agnostic, and don't all that wrapped in corporate drama. All I care about is the product that suits me best at the moment.

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  • Reply 140 of 149
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
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    People don’t know what they want until you show it to them. ;)


     

    That is one of those half - truths. Much of the time they know what they want from a functionality standpoint. If a bigger screen makes something easier to view or navigate, the screen size is merely a means to an end assuming any incidental drawbacks are outweighed by the advantage. I find it a little weird to use to that quote repeatedly as a point of reasoning.

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