When Apple won vs HTC- what were they able to negotiate? If I recall it was $5-7/phone, on top of the judgement.
So if they get $3 of every samsung phone that uses those patents- you don't think that's worth it financially? Why are the detractors so short sighted. It ain't just $120 mil
Those figures were only guesses Andysol. Could have been as little as a couple of dollars or less. All that generally known is that HTC is a net payer in the cross-license agreement. No one is telling any details. Kinda like how much Microsoft is getting for their Android licensing. None of the figures bandied about have come from any of the parties involved.
Most of these software patents were useless and obvious. they shouldn't even be patents. At least these next to nothing software patents received next to nothing value. Good day for innovation. Will be a better day when software patents a put in a proper independent class.
obviously you have never written any code and have any idea how it relates to hard work.
All of Apple's ideas are just a natural progression of technology. Of course now it is obvious there is no other logical way to make a phone, so the technology should be freely available for anyone to copy. You just need to make your design better and smarter, and faster, and become the king of the jungle. Clearly the patent office is not going to protect you.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.
No I don't support Samsung at all. I would never want a company to get over on the US patent system we have in place. The problem is most don't take it seriously. Like I said it would be hard to convince a jury that Apple is a victim because of their size and net worth. Remember less than 5% of civil cases ever go to a jury, this is why. No one ever really wants to leave something in the hands of a jury.
A verdict like this will embolden others to steal. I believe a jury always tries to do their best but sometimes the nature of the case and the evidence is over their heads. Having experts from MIT try to explain valuation to a jury is not an easy situation.
We live in a world where stealing music, movies, video games and computer software is common happening million of times a day. It's seen as a victimless crime. Doesn't make it right just makes it hard to win a case like this given the mindset.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
How is what they asked for in any way relevant to the decision the jury handed down? Apple was awarded 782x more than Samsung and you are trying to say they are equally guilty. I think your math is way more wrong than you're grasping at trying to say mine is. (It is becoming apparent that you know you are wrong and really are running out of legs to stand on in the argument. Is Samsung paying you to come on here and defend them in any way possible?)
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
Well if you read the verdict closely, you will see that Jury found Apple infringed as well.. Does that make Apple a thieving company as well? confused.
Are you really confused?
Because I don't think you are.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
Willfull
Not Willfull
There's a Difference
Get that through your head
Its similar to the difference between manslaughter and first degree premeditated murder. Or.. I didn't mean to do it, the gun just went off by accident vs I planned it for a long time and tried to not get caught.
its a win when you steal, lie, are found guilty in the court in front of the public, and have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. Hope these are not the same values you live your life by. If so, I got a shocker for you. That does not make a winner.
It's not my ethics. However if a company doesn't have ethics then their strategy won. This won't be a PR issue for Samsung most of the general population could care less. An enthusiast forum is not an accurate representation of the general public.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
That $2.2B was from Apple. That does not mean they were worth that actual amount. When you go to court you ask for more than what you think you can get. There is no way they were with $2.2B. They are worth something but not that.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.
You really think that a corporation like Apple doesn't do anything unethical?
Samsung are now proven- twice- of Willfull infringement.
Literally saying, "I know I stole and it was wrong, but I did it anyway and I'd do if again"
Their time is coming. I had a samsung tv and washer/dryer. Washer and dryer still going strong. When I replaced my tv I didn't even consider a samsung. Those educated in the matter and with morals will do the same. Those without the knowledge or moral standards won't. But I'm glad it's getting aired because more morally conscious people are educated with every blow samsung takes.
Apple does many things that are not moral as well. Maybe you should educate yourself as well. Apple is not free from doing bad, immoral, and unethical things. Maybe not as much as other companies but they are still a world wide corporation.
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That $2.2B was from Apple. That does not mean they were worth that actual amount. When you go to court you ask for more than what you think you can get. There is no way they were with $2.2B. They are worth something but not that.
You really think that a corporation like Apple doesn't do anything unethical?
Apple does many things that are not moral as well. Maybe you should educate yourself as well. Apple is not free from doing bad, immoral, and unethical things. Maybe not as much as other companies but they are still a world wide corporation.
Are you and Brian Tariano on a tandem bike? You guys keep pedaling and keep pedaling.
You literally just told me everything it said was right, but then try to distract me by saying "look over here- apple is bad too" thinking I'll forget about samsung?
Apples and oranges man. Samsung is the worst of the worst of the worst. You need to educate yourself. I get it- you don't like apple. Fine. Don't. Go buy an HTC, LG, Nokia, Nexus- anything. Defending samsung makes you, also, look like a scumbag.
Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
People (and trolls/haters) like you tend to ignore penalties and try to convert this to a black and white affair as if all companies who do something wrong are all equal. They aren't. If you commit a crime you could get a weekend in jail or 50 years in prison. Depends on the severity of that crime.
Samsung has to pay 757 times as much as Apple does. Clearly Apples patents are far more valuable and/or Samsung was the bigger thief.
Reading Foss over the last few weeks it's clear he's switched sides. While I gave him the benefit of the doubt for having critical opinions of Apple, it's now clear that something's up.
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Those figures were only guesses Andysol. Could have been as little as a couple of dollars or less. All that generally known is that HTC is a net payer in the cross-license agreement. No one is telling any details. Kinda like how much Microsoft is getting for their Android licensing. None of the figures bandied about have come from any of the parties involved.
Most of these software patents were useless and obvious. they shouldn't even be patents. At least these next to nothing software patents received next to nothing value. Good day for innovation. Will be a better day when software patents a put in a proper independent class.
obviously you have never written any code and have any idea how it relates to hard work.
That was my point. I was being sarcastic in mocking the troll- any logical person could see the fallacies of his statement.
All of Apple's ideas are just a natural progression of technology. Of course now it is obvious there is no other logical way to make a phone, so the technology should be freely available for anyone to copy. You just need to make your design better and smarter, and faster, and become the king of the jungle. Clearly the patent office is not going to protect you.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.
No I don't support Samsung at all. I would never want a company to get over on the US patent system we have in place. The problem is most don't take it seriously. Like I said it would be hard to convince a jury that Apple is a victim because of their size and net worth. Remember less than 5% of civil cases ever go to a jury, this is why. No one ever really wants to leave something in the hands of a jury.
A verdict like this will embolden others to steal. I believe a jury always tries to do their best but sometimes the nature of the case and the evidence is over their heads. Having experts from MIT try to explain valuation to a jury is not an easy situation.
We live in a world where stealing music, movies, video games and computer software is common happening million of times a day. It's seen as a victimless crime. Doesn't make it right just makes it hard to win a case like this given the mindset.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
How is what they asked for in any way relevant to the decision the jury handed down? Apple was awarded 782x more than Samsung and you are trying to say they are equally guilty. I think your math is way more wrong than you're grasping at trying to say mine is. (It is becoming apparent that you know you are wrong and really are running out of legs to stand on in the argument. Is Samsung paying you to come on here and defend them in any way possible?)
Willfull
Not Willfull
There's a Difference
Get that through your head
Are you really confused?
Because I don't think you are.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
Willfull
Not Willfull
There's a Difference
Get that through your head
Its similar to the difference between manslaughter and first degree premeditated murder. Or.. I didn't mean to do it, the gun just went off by accident vs I planned it for a long time and tried to not get caught.
its a win when you steal, lie, are found guilty in the court in front of the public, and have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. Hope these are not the same values you live your life by. If so, I got a shocker for you. That does not make a winner.
It's not my ethics. However if a company doesn't have ethics then their strategy won. This won't be a PR issue for Samsung most of the general population could care less. An enthusiast forum is not an accurate representation of the general public.
That $2.2B was from Apple. That does not mean they were worth that actual amount. When you go to court you ask for more than what you think you can get. There is no way they were with $2.2B. They are worth something but not that.
You really think that a corporation like Apple doesn't do anything unethical?
Apple does many things that are not moral as well. Maybe you should educate yourself as well. Apple is not free from doing bad, immoral, and unethical things. Maybe not as much as other companies but they are still a world wide corporation.
[B][FONT="Giorgia"][SIZE="5"][COLOR="#09c"]Regardless that YOU HAVE READ Michael Lewis' " FLASH BOYS : A Wall Street REVOLT ", What is Described in The Book Has LONG Been " PUBLIC TABOO " Among Those WHO Are Engaged in MARKET BUSINESS.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
[B]It's HIGH TIME for All The Sincere and Healthy Stock Owners of AAPL All Over The World to Do THAT, Demanding Thorough COMPENSATION FOR THE LOSS during THESE 24 Months Since 2012 including ALL THE PROFITS that Could Have Been Gained without Nasty Mal-Practices by VILLAIN, Demanding THOROUGH Investigations on Present ENTITY OF TRANSACTIONS, FULL DETAILS on Activities and Transaction Histories of High Frequency Traders Such As " Getco " and " Night Capital " Together With What-is-Called " Front Running EXPLOITATION " by Them, and ALSO Demanding Full Investigation on " Algorithm Tradings " which is Said to be A Main Factor that Caused " *Flash Clash " Happened in Wall Street in 2010 and Are Causing All The Stock Price Manipulation As A Whole in Current Situation.
IN THE SIX YEARS SINCE the Collapse of Lehman Bros. ( Sep. 2008 ) that STUNNED The World and STOLE The Half of WORLD's Value, We Expected " World Would Be BETTER FOR THIS - Learning Lessons out of Collapse Caused by Villain's MALICIOUS FINANCIAL PRACTICES.
But, Then Again, The Situation NOW Looks MORE AND MORE AGGRAVATING, DETERIORATING, Simply WORSENED !!!!!!
Government's and Concerned Institutions( Such As SEC & CFTC )' Role As A Watch Dog NEVER FANCTION NOW !
Because Many of Ex-Top of SEC Have Been Recruited for VILLAIN's Side ( Such As Getco ) These Years.
We Need An ACTION NOW. Otherwise THIS.
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Apologies then. I'm tired and my sardar (sarcasm radar) is off.
Sorry, but the Korean-to-English translator app you are using needs more refinement.
How very anticlimactic.
It's called Karma.
Are you and Brian Tariano on a tandem bike? You guys keep pedaling and keep pedaling.
You literally just told me everything it said was right, but then try to distract me by saying "look over here- apple is bad too" thinking I'll forget about samsung?
Apples and oranges man. Samsung is the worst of the worst of the worst. You need to educate yourself. I get it- you don't like apple. Fine. Don't. Go buy an HTC, LG, Nokia, Nexus- anything. Defending samsung makes you, also, look like a scumbag.
Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
People (and trolls/haters) like you tend to ignore penalties and try to convert this to a black and white affair as if all companies who do something wrong are all equal. They aren't. If you commit a crime you could get a weekend in jail or 50 years in prison. Depends on the severity of that crime.
Samsung has to pay 757 times as much as Apple does. Clearly Apples patents are far more valuable and/or Samsung was the bigger thief.
Reading Foss over the last few weeks it's clear he's switched sides. While I gave him the benefit of the doubt for having critical opinions of Apple, it's now clear that something's up.