Only one thing I can say after hearing the verdict... Oh what a beautiful mooooorning, oh what a beautiful day !! Suck it Apple, and go compete in the market place while you still can. "Thermonuclear" option? more like self destruct if Apple aren't careful.
you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.
The Constitution didn't put software patents in place. That came from the courts who now appear to be going back in the other direction to rein them in.
You're right, but you can't blame the poor jury (who are non technical) to get this right. Not to worry though, through appeals & prior art invalidity Apple won't get a dime and will eventually (5 years too late) realise the best tactic is to be aggressive in the market place, not the court room. Bring on the Apple phablet style phones to compete with Samsung, which should have been here two years ago. Silly strategy Apple, bad for your shareholders.
I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is
Only one thing I can say after hearing the verdict... Oh what a beautiful mooooorning, oh what a beautiful day !! Suck it Apple, and go compete in the market place while you still can. "Thermonuclear" option? more like self destruct if Apple aren't careful.
You do know that Apple is taking 85% of the money "the marketplace" is worth.
no. The constitution covers patents under <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers" style="background-image:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);" target="_blank" title="Enumerated powers">Article I, Section 8</a>
, Clause 8
Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.
How can it possibly be a win for Samsung if they were found to be infringing? Only in a parallel evil universe is this a win for Samsung. Their products are crap, they can't innovate anything without waiting for Apple to do it first. Apple should plant a manchurian candidate inside of Samsung and detonate the company from within. The world would be a better place without Samshit.
Apple was found to infringe as well. So Apple is just as guilty. Apple are thieves as well. If you take out the money side of things both companies stole from each other.
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You're on trial and could face the death penalty. You get 20 years instead. You're still getting raped by a guy named Bruce. It ain't a win.
The real question is why am I even responding to you?
I don't think anyone murdered anyone in this trial. I might of missed it but I don't think so. Those are not even closely related as APPLE STOLE as well.
Apple was found to infringe as well. So Apple is just as guilty. Apple are thieves as well. If you take out the money side of things both companies stole from each other.
I don't think anyone murdered anyone in this trial. I might of missed it but I don't think so. Those are not even closely related as APPLE STOLE as well.
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is
I'll just wait here...
Didn't say that at all... Apple is doing well in the market place... they could be doing even better if they spend their millions on further marketing and research, releasing competing products (phablet, iwatch) than than give MoFo millions $$ to play out the legal theatrics..
Jury finds Apple infringed Samsung camera folder patent...$158,400 in damages! Samsung wanted $6 million. LOL!
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
I had a feeling this jury couldn't see the forest for the trees and these results confirm that suspicion.
Next, I'd really love to see Apple get extremely aggressive about their acquisitions and start buying up critical suppliers to Samsung to cut the beast off where they live and work.
You may recall the older verdict and the issue of jury forms (verge link). If the issue was better thought out this time, you will have some opportunity to see how they arrived at those numbers. It will be interesting to see what happens there. In the case of $2 billion, there would still be some basis for calculations there other than what was requested. Infringement can occur outside of willful copying of competitors, so if it was a matter of whatever the plaintiff company requests, any large corporation could potentially bankrupt a smaller competitor by demanding a large enough retroactive amount.
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh
Vacate the verdict. Award $2billion to Apple.
What an insult.
How did you arrive at such an exact figure?
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Originally Posted by hill60
The key part is wilfully infringed, Apple are probably already drafting the next case, newer devices, another set of patents.
What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.
I don't see why it's necessary to always make these things about nationality. It's likely that the people you should be angry at represent a small percentage of the overall employees at Samsung. Trying to extrapolate like that is insulting to the others. You know they have offices in the US. Do you hate everyone at the US subsidiaries?
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
Which part was wrong? Apple was found guilty of patent infringement? Please correct the previous sentence if you find any errors in it. lol .. oh, one error, remove the ? - it should read as a statement.
Didn't say that at all... Apple is doing well in the market place... they could be doing even better if they spend their millions on further marketing and research, releasing competing products (phablet, iwatch) than than give MoFo millions $$ to play out the legal theatrics..
That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...
Like it or not he is correct. You can't spin or slant being found guilty by a jury.
He said its a win for samsung because Apple was trying to get 2.2 bil and only got 120m. I said that's like being on trial facing the death penalty and getting 20 years. You ain't happy either way, and you're sure as hell still guilty.
He said samsung (who was found guilty of WILLFULL infringement) wins, not loses.
I said what you said. Willfully guilty is as guilty as it gets.
I think you agree with me, yes?
If your stance is apple is just as guilty, id like you to look up the definition of Willfull vs standard infringement. It's the equivalent of 1st degree murder vs manslaughter and saying those are the same.
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.
Please show us where the terms "patent" or "intellectual property" appear in the U.S. constitution.
EDIT: Yes, I know about "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." But it's up to Congress and SCOTUS to determine how that is enacted. So you do not have to "change the constitution" to effect change.
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Only one thing I can say after hearing the verdict... Oh what a beautiful mooooorning, oh what a beautiful day !!
Suck it Apple, and go compete in the market place while you still can. "Thermonuclear" option? more like self destruct if Apple aren't careful.
What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.
you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.
The Constitution didn't put software patents in place. That came from the courts who now appear to be going back in the other direction to rein them in.
no. The constitution covers patents under Article I, Section 8, Clause 8
I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is
I'll just wait here...
You do know that Apple is taking 85% of the money "the marketplace" is worth.
Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.
Apple was found to infringe as well. So Apple is just as guilty. Apple are thieves as well. If you take out the money side of things both companies stole from each other.
I don't think anyone murdered anyone in this trial. I might of missed it but I don't think so. Those are not even closely related as APPLE STOLE as well.
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is
I'll just wait here...
Didn't say that at all... Apple is doing well in the market place... they could be doing even better if they spend their millions on further marketing and research, releasing competing products (phablet, iwatch) than than give MoFo millions $$ to play out the legal theatrics..
You do know that Apple is taking 85% of the money "the marketplace" is worth.
Sure - but obviously still feel the need to take competitors to court... "It's not enough I succeed... everyone else must fail!"..
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
Like it or not he is correct. You can't spin or slant being found guilty by a jury.
Jury finds Apple infringed Samsung camera folder patent...$158,400 in damages! Samsung wanted $6 million. LOL!
I had a feeling this jury couldn't see the forest for the trees and these results confirm that suspicion.
Next, I'd really love to see Apple get extremely aggressive about their acquisitions and start buying up critical suppliers to Samsung to cut the beast off where they live and work.
You may recall the older verdict and the issue of jury forms (verge link). If the issue was better thought out this time, you will have some opportunity to see how they arrived at those numbers. It will be interesting to see what happens there. In the case of $2 billion, there would still be some basis for calculations there other than what was requested. Infringement can occur outside of willful copying of competitors, so if it was a matter of whatever the plaintiff company requests, any large corporation could potentially bankrupt a smaller competitor by demanding a large enough retroactive amount.
Vacate the verdict. Award $2billion to Apple.
What an insult.
How did you arrive at such an exact figure?
The key part is wilfully infringed, Apple are probably already drafting the next case, newer devices, another set of patents.
What Apple could do is donate $120,000,000 worth of iPads to South Korean school children in a big public display, just to rub Samsung's face in it.
I don't see why it's necessary to always make these things about nationality. It's likely that the people you should be angry at represent a small percentage of the overall employees at Samsung. Trying to extrapolate like that is insulting to the others. You know they have offices in the US. Do you hate everyone at the US subsidiaries?
Keep pedaling. Keeeeeep pedaling. You can do it little buddy!!!
Which part was wrong? Apple was found guilty of patent infringement? Please correct the previous sentence if you find any errors in it. lol .. oh, one error, remove the ? - it should read as a statement.
He said samsung (who was found guilty of WILLFULL infringement) wins, not loses.
I said what you said. Willfully guilty is as guilty as it gets.
I think you agree with me, yes?
If your stance is apple is just as guilty, id like you to look up the definition of Willfull vs standard infringement. It's the equivalent of 1st degree murder vs manslaughter and saying those are the same.
From President Obama to Tim Cook.
Tim,
Sorry to hear things didn't go your way.
Sent from my Galaxy S5.
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
you are welcome petition a change to the US Constitution.
Please show us where the terms "patent" or "intellectual property" appear in the U.S. constitution.
EDIT: Yes, I know about "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." But it's up to Congress and SCOTUS to determine how that is enacted. So you do not have to "change the constitution" to effect change.
From President Obama to Tim Cook.
Tim,
Sorry to hear things didn't go your way.
Sent from my Galaxy S5.
this from a guy who vetoed Samsung's injunction on old Apple phones and carries an iPad. keep dreaming.