Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
Here, here!!
Too many tools on here want to see Apple as the sole company producing smart phones (only because they are shareholders - selfish!). Fortunately for the rest of the population, this "vision" will never occur, and we will all prosper in a world of choice, not a garden walled dictatorship.
in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty
It is also FACT that Samsung was found guilty of more than one infringement whereas Apple had only one. It is FACT that the jury and the judge both deemed Apple's infringement of a much lesser scale than Samsung's. The world is not black & white, no matter how many times and how hard you try to portray it so.
Huh? He said its a win for samsung. So I assume you mean to AGREE with me that he's out of his mind.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...
Or the lawyers could be let go, seeing as they haven't achieved much.
Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.
To which SCOTUS rulings are you referring? Are you mistakenly referring to Judge Posner, the anti-capitalist?
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.
That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...
uh huh, just playing along with your pretty stupid point, but don't you think the money is better invested with those "different skilled workers" than wasted on legal resources, akin to dumping the money in a casino? Oh, Apple has billions, they can dump it everywhere. Great long term thinking there.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
Yes. According to Apples legal team Samsung stole 2B. To only get 5% of that is definitely a loss of sorts.
It reminds me a bit of the defamation cases where the jury awards a dollar. You won, you were defamed, but your reputation is worth $1.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Umm.. "Good artists copy, great artists steal"... quote from the man you worship I believe - and the company whose ethics you hold in such high esteem... keep digging, it's enjoyable.
I know apple needs to release a large phone to compete with samsung, because without one they don't stand a chance. But I'm failing to remember which samsung phone outsells the iPhone. If you could help me remember that'd really help solidify our point of how much better samsung is
I'll just wait here...
That's a contradictory statement. If Apple is handedly beating Samsung why does it need to do anything more to compete with it?
Or the lawyers could be let go, seeing as they haven't achieved much.
Samsung are now proven- twice- of Willfull infringement.
Literally saying, "I know I stole and it was wrong, but I did it anyway and I'd do if again"
Their time is coming. I had a samsung tv and washer/dryer. Washer and dryer still going strong. When I replaced my tv I didn't even consider a samsung. Those educated in the matter and with morals will do the same. Those without the knowledge or moral standards won't. But I'm glad it's getting aired because more morally conscious people are educated with every blow samsung takes.
It's a loss, but a win in aggregate. Lesson: if you're a big corporation crime pays.
Not sure about that.
First, if it's found to be willful, damages could be tripled: the $120 million judgment could become $360 million. Second, for the second time, a comprehensive jury trial has shown Samsung to have engaged in IP thievery (they're only haggling about the 'price' of that thievery). Third, while Apple was shown to have violated one minor Samsung camera-related patent (for $158,000), Samsung is being fined 750x the amount that Apple is.
I think that the most important outcome is, verdicts like this will make Samsung -- and their ilk -- think twice about casually ripping off IP in the future.
It is also FACT that Samsung was found guilty of more than one infringement whereas Apple had only one. It is FACT that the jury and the judge both deemed Apple's infringement of a much lesser scale than Samsung's. The world is not black & white, no matter how many times and how hard you try to portray it so.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
Most of these software patents were useless and obvious. they shouldn't even be patents. At least these next to nothing software patents received next to nothing value. Good day for innovation. Will be a better day when software patents a put in a proper independent class.
Huh? He said its a win for samsung. So I assume you mean to AGREE with me that he's out of his mind.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
its a win when you steal, lie, are found guilty in the court in front of the public, and have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. Hope these are not the same values you live your life by. If so, I got a shocker for you. That does not make a winner.
uh huh, just playing along with your pretty stupid point, but don't you think the money is better invested with those "different skilled workers" than wasted on legal resources, akin to dumping the money in a casino? Oh, Apple has billions, they can dump it everywhere. Great long term thinking there.
When Apple won vs HTC- what were they able to negotiate? If I recall it was $5-7/phone, on top of the judgement.
So if they get $3 of every samsung phone that uses those patents- you don't think that's worth it financially? Why are the detractors so short sighted. It ain't just $120 mil
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Just how am I'm peddling? When in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty. So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that Apple was found guilty?
Look, I think this whole thing is BS and both should fight on the field with products and not in the courts. Apple is not all that Holy as you seem to think they are. They do many bad things just like every single corporation in the world. That's just how it is unfortunately.
Here, here!!
Too many tools on here want to see Apple as the sole company producing smart phones (only because they are shareholders - selfish!). Fortunately for the rest of the population, this "vision" will never occur, and we will all prosper in a world of choice, not a garden walled dictatorship.
in FACT just as Samsung was found guilty Apple was found guilty
It is also FACT that Samsung was found guilty of more than one infringement whereas Apple had only one. It is FACT that the jury and the judge both deemed Apple's infringement of a much lesser scale than Samsung's. The world is not black & white, no matter how many times and how hard you try to portray it so.
Huh? He said its a win for samsung. So I assume you mean to AGREE with me that he's out of his mind.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
Or the lawyers could be let go, seeing as they haven't achieved much.
this from a guy who vetoed Samsung's injunction on old Apple phones and carries an iPad. keep dreaming.
It was a joke. Besides if you're aware of our current political situation you never want Obama backing you.
Sure it covers patents. Software was never patent eligible until just a few years ago (relatively) when a court ruled in favor of them albeit with some strict limitations. Over the past 20 year or so those 'strict limitations" became ever looser. Fortunately SCOTUS seems primed to change that.
To which SCOTUS rulings are you referring? Are you mistakenly referring to Judge Posner, the anti-capitalist?
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Look- I hate taxes- hate them. But I pay them. I don't pay the "grey area" crap because money isn't everything to me and I want to look myself in the mirror and have integrity. So no, my company wouldn't and doesn't do that crap.
That's a great point. Now those lawyers can get back to doing the R&D and marketing for apple that they're paid to do. As big of a company as Apple is, you think they'd have different skilled workers to handle specific tasks instead of using the same guys for everything. Crazy apple...
uh huh, just playing along with your pretty stupid point, but don't you think the money is better invested with those "different skilled workers" than wasted on legal resources, akin to dumping the money in a casino? Oh, Apple has billions, they can dump it everywhere. Great long term thinking there.
Peanuts. Too Bad.
All of that money spent on lawsuits when we could have had new products instead.
Yes. According to Apples legal team Samsung stole 2B. To only get 5% of that is definitely a loss of sorts.
It reminds me a bit of the defamation cases where the jury awards a dollar. You won, you were defamed, but your reputation is worth $1.
You're right. That said- you want to support a company with those ethics?
Umm.. "Good artists copy, great artists steal"... quote from the man you worship I believe - and the company whose ethics you hold in such high esteem... keep digging, it's enjoyable.
That's a contradictory statement. If Apple is handedly beating Samsung why does it need to do anything more to compete with it?
Samsung are now proven- twice- of Willfull infringement.
Literally saying, "I know I stole and it was wrong, but I did it anyway and I'd do if again"
Their time is coming. I had a samsung tv and washer/dryer. Washer and dryer still going strong. When I replaced my tv I didn't even consider a samsung. Those educated in the matter and with morals will do the same. Those without the knowledge or moral standards won't. But I'm glad it's getting aired because more morally conscious people are educated with every blow samsung takes.
Lesson number two from this trial...
Apple could flood the market with inexpensive plastic phones and utterly destroy Samsung.
$119.6M? Seriously? This is a win for Samsung.
It's a loss, but a win in aggregate. Lesson: if you're a big corporation crime pays.
First, if it's found to be willful, damages could be tripled: the $120 million judgment could become $360 million. Second, for the second time, a comprehensive jury trial has shown Samsung to have engaged in IP thievery (they're only haggling about the 'price' of that thievery). Third, while Apple was shown to have violated one minor Samsung camera-related patent (for $158,000), Samsung is being fined 750x the amount that Apple is.
I think that the most important outcome is, verdicts like this will make Samsung -- and their ilk -- think twice about casually ripping off IP in the future.
So because Samsung was found guilty as was Apple and that Samsung will only receive roughly 2% of what they asked for and Apple will receive roughly 9% of what they asked for. I'm not seeing your logic. They both were guilty. Apple was guilty. Get that through you head. It's like you're trying to give Apple a pass.
I doubt Average Man on the Street will know much if anything at all about this.
Huh? He said its a win for samsung. So I assume you mean to AGREE with me that he's out of his mind.
It is a win for Samsung. What they stole is worth more than the penalty they paid. If you can steal something that has a worth of 2.2 billion and only have to pay back 120 million that is a big win. I assume any company would take that offer.
its a win when you steal, lie, are found guilty in the court in front of the public, and have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. Hope these are not the same values you live your life by. If so, I got a shocker for you. That does not make a winner.
When Apple won vs HTC- what were they able to negotiate? If I recall it was $5-7/phone, on top of the judgement.
So if they get $3 of every samsung phone that uses those patents- you don't think that's worth it financially? Why are the detractors so short sighted. It ain't just $120 mil