From my anecdotal experiences with text-based conversations I feel that I can recognize female v male fairly well based on the manner in which one writes, but can't discern between other classifications.
You favour discrimination over performance, leading to under-performing companies, which means you can't pay your employees as much; a flawed business plan.
Seems to me that it is you who should remain silent on this topic, as you seem to require many more words than TS to say much less of consequence.
You obviously have difficulty in understanding what I wrote. Perhaps you should read it again, more slowly.
These studies tend to look for what they want to look for. If nobody is testing for discrimination towards southerners you won't find it ( although I do remember a study suggesting that people thought people from the US South were more stupid than northerners when listening to accents. My bet is all non standard American accents will have that effect ).
There are more studies in the UK on class bias.
You can go ahead and post anything you want to. But please don't try to denigrate scientific work like that. There have been many studies done over the years, and they all come up with similar answers. When I was studying psychology I read a number of them ,and they looked pretty good to me. I also did some work with the Council on Social Work Education early on, and some of what you find out is eye opening.
One thing that has always fascinated me is that people who are in a group that is not generally discriminated against, and is indeed in the group that does the discriminating, rarely admit that there is much discrimination. But when they do detect something that might take away some of their advantages that they have as a result of ages of discrimination, they jump upon it as being unfair. Amazing!
Mr Cook never said he had a quota. You are putting words into his mouth.
And I'm happy for you that you were hired without someone discriminating against you.
But I'm sorry your personal experience does not equal the experience of millions of Black/Asian/Latino people in the USA.
"Diversity needs to be improved". That's code-speak for "Quota" for the attention-whores like Jesse Jackson. Tim Cook did not say it, but the politicos raising a stink about it surely want something like that.
My experience as a Mexican-American in this area that is surrounded my white guys is completely relevant to the topic. Our family grew up poor, and struggled. We never asked for a handout and played the cards we were given. For me, I refused to let any perceived racial-barrier get in the way. My parents shelled out a hell of a lot of money - that they badly needed to support the family - to buy my first computer as a kid because they saw something in me that needed nurturing. I was the only Latino in computer lab in a high school that was very much racially diverse. My mom still lives in the family home in a predominantly Mexican neighborhood south of San Francisco. It's still a rough area.
What did I see among the minorities in my school? Blacks and hispanics were more interested in thumping their chests as to who was in the better gang. They did drugs and were responsible for most of the crime on campus. They didn't care about improving their lives. It was their falsely perceived belief that that life held promise. I saw it for the bullshit it was. They tried steering me into that lifestyle, but thanks to my parents for keeping me straight, I knew better. I was picked-on by white guys because of my race. Again, thanks to strong parental support, I persevered.
Blacks/Latino make a hell of a lot of excuses as to why they couldn't climb the social ladder. Companies like Apple shouldn't have to explain at all why they aren't as diverse as assholes like Jesse Jackson would like Apple to be. Sure, it would be nice but the problem is a social problem, not a company problem. It's also a problem of the government trying to babysit and spoon feed people that they have zero motivation to get ahead when they are being handed free stuff.
So my "personal experience" means I didn't let barriers get in the way, and make excuses as to why I couldn't get ahead. I see how Mexicans in my community live and how many make the choice to let the government take care of them instead of doing what they can to better their life. I see that every single day. You have absolutely zero clue, and even less to assume I wouldn't know what "millions" of others go through.
You reek of arrogance.
Great post, and well done for overcoming adverse circumstances.
It seems to me that the reason for differing types of people in any walk of life is due to culture, not racism or any other ism. All jobs tend to have different proportions, because people are attracted to different things. As you state, blacks and Hispanics tend to be attracted to drugs and gangs, which I would consider a bad thing, though I presume plenty would disagree.
Tim Cook has revealed his true colours as a quota-whore, which is a shame. With luck, he will see the light and realise that there is only one sentence he needs drilled into him:
You can go ahead and post anything you want to. But please don't try to denigrate scientific work like that. There have been many studies done over the years, and they all come up with similar answers. When I was studying psychology I read a number of them ,and they looked pretty good to me. I also did some work with the Council on Social Work Education early on, and some of what you find out is eye opening.
One thing that has always fascinated me is that people who are in a group that is not generally discriminated against, and is indeed in the group that does the discriminating, rarely admit that there is much discrimination. But when they do detect something that might take away some of their advantages that they have as a result of ages of discrimination, they jump upon it as being unfair. Amazing!
None of that deals with my claim. All of those tests might be valid , I am sure they are because humans have all kinds of bias, but not just white/ black. I am talking about the biases not tested for. Americans tend not to look into class biases because there is a general uniformity of class accents. And regional biases tend to be limited as the accent is fairly uniform. These things do exist elsewhere and may overcome racial biases ie somebody with a RP/Oxbridge accent in the UK regardless of race will generally get more favourable treatment than a working class Geordie.
Great post, and well done for overcoming adverse circumstances.
It seems to me that the reason for differing types of people in any walk of life is due to culture, not racism or any other ism. All jobs tend to have different proportions, because people are attracted to different things. As you state, blacks and Hispanics tend to be attracted to drugs and gangs, which I would consider a bad thing, though I presume plenty would disagree.
Tim Cook has revealed his true colours as a quota-whore, which is a shame. With luck, he will see the light and realise that there is only one sentence he needs drilled into him:
'The best man for the job.'
Bullshit. Minorities were probably discouraged from the arts and sciences by clueless teachers.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Providing money to disadvantaged African Americans puts white people at a disadvantage. A disadvantage of what? Not being as </span>
superior<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> over minority races?</span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">yeah.</span>
You must have a simple (and one track) mind.
Good luck with that.
As you state, blacks and Hispanics tend to be attracted to drugs and gangs, which I would consider a bad thing, though I presume plenty would disagree.
That's a very racist thing to say. What aspect of their innate makeup makes you believe that the categorization of all such people have this tendency? Why exclude the notion that impoverished children without a proper family structure might fall into gangs as a way of finding a family unit within the only culture that they know?
What aspect of their innate makeup makes you believe that the categorization of all such people have this tendency?
Originally Posted by sog35
Saying that Blacks are more attracted to drugs/gangs than other races is pure racism.
Within the context of his post and the quote therein, I don’t believe that he is saying this. It looks more like he’s just stating what all statistics show, rather than implying there is an inherent racial draw to such behavior.
Except there are genetic differences between races.
That's not relevant to me. I don't think dogs or bears or elephants or dolphins look at human diversity and decide to treat groups of humans with one shade of skin differently than those of a different shade. We're just humans to them. Why can't we be humans to each other?
If, by human, you mean murder, torture and degrade, then I think we manage that.
I think it's like this. If I found out after interviewing two candidates for a position one male and one female that they just married(not to each other). I would automatically assume that the woman would likely be starting a family and I would have to deal with her being out for 3 to 6 months and probably eventually want to work part time or leave altogether. Yes its not fair, but it's probably a risk employers may not want to take.
This assumes men cannot or will not partake equally in child-rearing. Men should be granted "paternity leave" so that they can.
I consider myself to be one of the least racist persons on this forum
This saddens me. I've always seen your persona here as blatantly and unapologetically racist.I'm sure I'm not the only one who would say you're hands down the most racist poster on this forum. The unapologetic nature of the racism is what made me at least respect your posts. While I don't agree with them, you at least appeared to wear your racism with pride. It's one thing to be a racist and stand behind your convictions, it's another to be racist and claim that you're not.
Within the context of his post and the quote therein, I don’t believe that he is saying this. It looks more like he’s just stating what all statistics show, rather than implying there is an inherent racial draw to such behavior.
Let’s wait for him to clarify.
But that is more easily and reliably explained by economic issues and social deficiencies that can affect any "race" the same way under the same conditions.
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Of course, we're not talking about texts.
I didn't get that from your post.
You obviously have difficulty in understanding what I wrote. Perhaps you should read it again, more slowly.
You can go ahead and post anything you want to. But please don't try to denigrate scientific work like that. There have been many studies done over the years, and they all come up with similar answers. When I was studying psychology I read a number of them ,and they looked pretty good to me. I also did some work with the Council on Social Work Education early on, and some of what you find out is eye opening.
One thing that has always fascinated me is that people who are in a group that is not generally discriminated against, and is indeed in the group that does the discriminating, rarely admit that there is much discrimination. But when they do detect something that might take away some of their advantages that they have as a result of ages of discrimination, they jump upon it as being unfair. Amazing!
Great post, and well done for overcoming adverse circumstances.
It seems to me that the reason for differing types of people in any walk of life is due to culture, not racism or any other ism. All jobs tend to have different proportions, because people are attracted to different things. As you state, blacks and Hispanics tend to be attracted to drugs and gangs, which I would consider a bad thing, though I presume plenty would disagree.
Tim Cook has revealed his true colours as a quota-whore, which is a shame. With luck, he will see the light and realise that there is only one sentence he needs drilled into him:
'The best man for the job.'
None of that deals with my claim. All of those tests might be valid , I am sure they are because humans have all kinds of bias, but not just white/ black. I am talking about the biases not tested for. Americans tend not to look into class biases because there is a general uniformity of class accents. And regional biases tend to be limited as the accent is fairly uniform. These things do exist elsewhere and may overcome racial biases ie somebody with a RP/Oxbridge accent in the UK regardless of race will generally get more favourable treatment than a working class Geordie.
Don't assume I am a white American either.
You must have a simple (and one track) mind.
Good luck with that.
Ha ha, semantics.
It did took you a while to come up with this?
Try again.
That's a very racist thing to say. What aspect of their innate makeup makes you believe that the categorization of all such people have this tendency? Why exclude the notion that impoverished children without a proper family structure might fall into gangs as a way of finding a family unit within the only culture that they know?
I didn't get that from your post.
My post included this: "The visas are about employee expectations, engineering and programming skill levels and costs."
Saying that Blacks are more attracted to drugs/gangs than other races is pure racism.
Within the context of his post and the quote therein, I don’t believe that he is saying this. It looks more like he’s just stating what all statistics show, rather than implying there is an inherent racial draw to such behavior.
Let’s wait for him to clarify.
Except there are genetic differences between races.
That's not relevant to me. I don't think dogs or bears or elephants or dolphins look at human diversity and decide to treat groups of humans with one shade of skin differently than those of a different shade. We're just humans to them. Why can't we be humans to each other?
If, by human, you mean murder, torture and degrade, then I think we manage that.
Thank Garrett Augustus Morgan for the traffic light
This guy has stopped more people from getting ahead than anybody.
Imagine a world without traffic lights; heaven.
You must have a simple (and one track) mind.
Good luck with that.
Then you tell me: How exactly does providing money to disadvantaged minorities hurt anyone else?
Imagine a world without traffic lights; heaven.
As in: we’d all be there because of crashes.
I think it's like this. If I found out after interviewing two candidates for a position one male and one female that they just married(not to each other). I would automatically assume that the woman would likely be starting a family and I would have to deal with her being out for 3 to 6 months and probably eventually want to work part time or leave altogether. Yes its not fair, but it's probably a risk employers may not want to take.
This assumes men cannot or will not partake equally in child-rearing. Men should be granted "paternity leave" so that they can.
If you want to encourage wusses, sure.
That is actually quite progressive of them. The only thing better would be BCE.
I mistyped. The New Oxford American Dictionary, 3rd edition © 2010, 2012 uses BC and AD.
As it should.
This saddens me. I've always seen your persona here as blatantly and unapologetically racist. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would say you're hands down the most racist poster on this forum. The unapologetic nature of the racism is what made me at least respect your posts. While I don't agree with them, you at least appeared to wear your racism with pride. It's one thing to be a racist and stand behind your convictions, it's another to be racist and claim that you're not.
You're not even human - who are you to judge?
But that is more easily and reliably explained by economic issues and social deficiencies that can affect any "race" the same way under the same conditions.