Why aren't "white people" (whatever that means) rioting in the streets every time a "white person" (whatever that means) gets murdered in a controversial way?
Are you serious? That's actually just plain offensive. It's systematic and black people certainly do not riot "every time" there's a controversial murder, because if that were the case, you would know about it way more often and maybe understand the situation as a whole. Maybe that's what it takes for people like you to see there's a problem.
This kid was murdered in the street with many details pointing towards straight out police brutality in a situation that started with him crossing the street not at a cross walk and which involved many conflicting reports to official statements. Another guy was murdered after being choke out by a cop for breaking up a fight he wasn't even involved in. Remember Trayvon Martin? Had that not caught national media attention, the police department involved would have successfully scuttled it. Let's talk about the mom who was sentenced for firing warning shots at her threatening husband with a gun, which also wasn't overturned until it happened to catch the media eye for it's quick 12 minute verdict. When was the last time a white kid was shot 10 times with his hands above his head in a situation began with J-walking?
I'm not justifying the riot, don't take my words to mean that. Just understand that you need to understand there are social situations existing which allow deviant group of people to even have a crowd to muffle into a riot - all of the elements were there and it's because of the discrimination against the people as a whole that any of this was set into motion.
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Abandoning principles and individual identity in favor of behaving as a mindless mass is not something intelligent people do.
It's called human nature. Don't cast them away as unintelligent black people. Everyone can be a victim of group thinking. But that's besides the point, does that somehow make it okay for them to be shot in the streets for meaningless crime? Does any of this destruction even compare to the death of a child or of the many other innocent people who died in similar circumstances?
I have my values, but above all I value human life. And if we can't trust those who are supposed to protect that, when they value property over life, then you can expect something to give.
This saddens me. I've always seen your persona here as blatantly and unapologetically racist.I'm sure I'm not the only one who would say you're hands down the most racist poster on this forum. The unapologetic nature of the racism is what made me at least respect your posts. While I don't agree with them, you at least appeared to wear your racism with pride. It's one thing to be a racist and stand behind your convictions, it's another to be racist and claim that you're not.
I am certainly not racist. Liberals probably have a different definition of racism than normal people. To some liberals, everybody who disagrees with their simplistic and naive world view is a racist, that doesn't make it so and it doesn't make it true.
I do believe that certain cultures are superior to others, that's not racist, because it's not based on skin color at all.
I do believe that certain belief systems are superior to others, again, not racist, no race involved.
If you ever read me ranting against a certain group, it's because of what is in their heads, not what is outside on their skin.
It makes no sense to be a racist, because people do not choose what skin color they are born with. I criticize people and groups of people who choose their actions and their perverse beliefs. People do have a choice in that matter, and their skin color will not protect them from criticism from me, if it's what's inside their heads that is abnormal and messed up.
COME OFF IT. NO. Either hire the best person for the job or screw you all. This isn’t how to run a business.
This is what should tank the stock, not record sales numbers.
Not just Apple now: Instead of spending money getting a magical “complete” subsection of people into every industry for no reason whatsoever, why not spend that money improving the experience/education of the people who already WANT TO BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Don’t force people to take occupations they don’t want.
This is a topic in which you should remain silent. As someone who had two businesses over the years, in which I hired hundreds of people, I can say that things aren't as simple as you would like them to be.
My first reaction is simple, as yours is, which is to only hire the most qualified people. I'm sure Apple isn't going to be hiring second rate people in order to fill some arbitrary quotas. But, on the other hand, there are many qualified people out there who don't even fill out the forms for large corporations because they are certain they won't be hired by them. Encouraging them to do so, is important.
Even for my companies I often got the feeling from minority candidates that they weren't expecting me to hire them.
But the USA numbers don't look bad. After all, if Apple's employee numbers come anywhere close to the percentages of the USA population, then it's about right, and nothing more can really be done.
As far as the numbers for higher management goes, that's a more difficult topic. When hiring there, mere qualifications mean less. How do you measure the qualifications of a major candidate? That's very complex.
You favour discrimination over performance, leading to under-performing companies, which means you can't pay your employees as much; a flawed business plan.
Seems to me that it is you who should remain silent on this topic, as you seem to require many more words than TS to say much less of consequence.
But that's besides the point, does that somehow make it okay for them to be shot in the streets for meaningless crime?
Yes, you can not have gangs of criminals running amok through the streets, rioting, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods. It is absolutely appropriate to stop dangerous criminals from committing further acts of violence and vandalism using whatever methods are deemed necessary, including live rounds. If they get shot, then good, they deserve it, it's solely their own fault, as it was their choice to riot. The police have a duty to protect innocent citizens. The rioters are not innocent civilians.
Violence should be met with violence, as that is the language that everybody understands, including stupid and violent people.
I wonder what percent of the male employees have been with Apple for a significant amount of time. The amount of females in the tech world has dramatically increased over the past 10 years (which is great) but I wonder how many older male employees may skew the data if at all. It would be great to track the timeline.
Another demented post.
Why is it great that the number of women has dramatically increased? It's completely irrelevant. If Apple were 100% women or 100% men, it wouldn't matter, as long as they were there purely on merit. Or 100% right-handed, or 100% obese.
Are you serious? That's actually just plain offensive. It's systematic and black people certainly do not riot "every time" there's a controversial murder, because if that were the case, you would know about it way more often and maybe understand the situation as a whole. Maybe that's what it takes for people like you to see there's a problem.
This kid was murdered in the street with many details pointing towards straight out police brutality in a situation that started with him crossing the street not at a cross walk and which involved many conflicting reports to official statements. Another guy was murdered after being choke out by a cop for breaking up a fight he wasn't even involved in. Remember Trayvon Martin? Had that not caught national media attention, the police department involved would have successfully scuttled it. Let's talk about the mom who was sentenced for firing warning shots at her threatening husband with a gun, which also wasn't overturned until it happened to catch the media eye for it's quick 12 minute verdict. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">When was the last time a white kid was shot 10 times with his hands above his head in a situation began with J-walking? </span>
I'm not justifying the riot, don't take my words to mean that. Just understand that you need to understand there are social situations existing which allow deviant group of people to even have a crowd to muffle into a riot - all of the elements were there and it's because of the discrimination against the people as a whole that any of this was set into motion.
I have my values, but above all I value human life. And if we can't trust those who are supposed to protect that, when they value property over life, then you can expect something to give.
The 'mob mentality' can affect just about anyone. Look at the rioting that has taken place in Boston, Miami, and Los Angeles after a sports team wins a championship.
Yes, you can not have gangs of criminals running amok through the streets, rioting, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods. It is absolutely appropriate to stop dangerous criminals from committing acts of violence and vandalism using whatever methods are deemed necessary, including live rounds. If they get shot, then good, they deserve it, it's solely their own fault, as it was their choice to riot.
Violence should be met with violence, as that is the language that everybody understands, including stupid people.
First, I never advocated violence, merely asked you to understand what is causing it, which you have failed to even try.
Second, if violence should be met with violence, then the actions of these people are justified by everything I showed you in examples above because discrimination exists and it results in unwarranted deaths and imprisonment of so many.
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It makes no sense to be a racist, because people do not choose what skin color they are born with. I criticize people and groups of people who choose their actions and their perverse beliefs. People do have a choice in that matter, and their skin color will not protect them from criticism from me, if it's what's inside their heads that is abnormal and messed up.
So to sum things up, nope, I'm not a racist.
If I were to be called a racist, my first thought would not be to immediately defend myself and my positions. How is justifying your position going to ever help with the situation? How do you think attempting to invalidate millions of peoples' opinions and feeling at all helps your point? Or society at as a whole?
My reaction would be to understand what exactly was causing such a heavy accusation. You are a racist because you are willingly blind. Instead of asking questions, you simply dismiss. "People are upset? Well they rioted so they're just stupid - let's dismiss everything they're angry about because they didn't stage a sit down at a park." I'm sorry, but while you can tell yourself that you are not racist all you want, the moment you dismiss people like you do, the way you can just avoid stepping into their shoes and then have the girth to criticize them, that makes you a racist.
The 'mob mentality' can affect just about anyone. Look at the rioting that has taken place in Boston, Miami, and Los Angeles after a sports team wins a championship.
I would assume any "normal" and healthy individual can be affected by this, save for sociopaths.
Wait, so at Apple in the US, 55 percent of its workers are white, followed by 15 percent Asian, 11 percent Hispanic, and 7 percent black. That totals only 88% of the workforce. What are the remaining 12%??
And ONLY 55% of the workers are white? You're darned right Tim should be upset. The diversity of the population in the US is that 72% of the population is white. He better start hiring more white workers to fill those positions....
13% of the US population is black.
only 7% of Apple's workforce is black.
My reaction would be to understand what exactly was causing such a heavy accusation.
That's what certain terrorist apologists say about the terrorists too. "We need to understand why they want to kill us! Let's find the root cause!" and other likeminded drivel.
Sorry, I don't buy into such twisted, backwards and demented logic. The root cause is that they are messed up in their heads, and they simply need to be eliminated. It's no more complicated than that. The problem will go away when they're dead.
And I do fully understand what is the root cause behind many racist accusations. It is because many ignorant liberals often resort to the race card, when they have few other arguments that they can utilize. I'm not talking specifically about you or anybody else on this forum, I am talking in general. They can use it as a weapon, often successfully, even if their claims are untrue, and so they continue to use it, though they know it's wrong. But, that doesn't matter to them of course, as anything goes.
These past few years, especially since the past few Presidential races, the race card has been fully worn out, and the liberals have completely damaged the meaning of the word racist, because it has lost most of its meaning. Nobody gives a crap about the boy who cried wolf, after they have been caught as a fraud for the tenth time. When the eleventh time comes around and there's a real wolf, nobody will help the boy, just as nobody is going to care about any real racism if it were to occur, because these people have been repeatedly falsely accused of being racists.
These people are the lowest of the low (the people who falsely play the race card and constantly make racist accusations), and they will get no pity from me, no matter what happens to them in the future.
That's what certain terrorist apologists say about the terrorists too. "We need to understand why they want to kill us! Let's find the root cause!" and other likeminded drivel.
Sorry, I don't buy into such twisted, backwards and demented logic. The root cause is that they are messed up in their heads, and they simply need to be eliminated. It's no more complicated than that. The problem will go away when they're dead.
And I do fully understand what is the root cause behind many racist accusations. It is because many ignorant liberals often resort to the race card, when they have few other arguments that they can utilize. I'm not talking specifically about you or anybody else on this forum, I am talking in general.
These past few years, especially since the past few Presidential races, the race card has been fully worn out, and the liberals have completely damaged the meaning of the word racist, because it has lost most of its meaning. Nobody gives a crap about the boy who cried wolf, after they have been caught as a fraud for the tenth time. When the eleventh time comes around and there's a real wolf, nobody will help the boy, just as nobody is going to care about any real racism if it were to occur, because these people have been repeatedly falsely accused of being racists.
These people are the lowest of the low (the people who falsely play the race card and constantly make racist accusations), and they will get no pity from me, no matter what happens to them in the future.
You compare my asking you to try to understand the cause of social disruptions among your fellow citizens to terrorism. Terrorism. These people are our country as much as you or me.
But the name no longer exists as Hispania or Iberia. Only the term Iberian Peninsula is still in use today. If you want to want to bring it back or name it something else that's perfectly fine but as of right now there is no land called Hispania. It's like saying the Roman Empire exits because the city of Rome exists. The etymologies are linked but are have very different and distinct meanings.
Ah, the Angles are gone, yet it’s still called England. Though “Hispania” is gone, they’re still called Hispanics.
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Why aren't "white people" (whatever that means) rioting in the streets every time a "white person" (whatever that means) gets murdered in a controversial way?
Are you serious? That's actually just plain offensive. It's systematic and black people certainly do not riot "every time" there's a controversial murder, because if that were the case, you would know about it way more often and maybe understand the situation as a whole. Maybe that's what it takes for people like you to see there's a problem.
This kid was murdered in the street with many details pointing towards straight out police brutality in a situation that started with him crossing the street not at a cross walk and which involved many conflicting reports to official statements. Another guy was murdered after being choke out by a cop for breaking up a fight he wasn't even involved in. Remember Trayvon Martin? Had that not caught national media attention, the police department involved would have successfully scuttled it. Let's talk about the mom who was sentenced for firing warning shots at her threatening husband with a gun, which also wasn't overturned until it happened to catch the media eye for it's quick 12 minute verdict. When was the last time a white kid was shot 10 times with his hands above his head in a situation began with J-walking?
I'm not justifying the riot, don't take my words to mean that. Just understand that you need to understand there are social situations existing which allow deviant group of people to even have a crowd to muffle into a riot - all of the elements were there and it's because of the discrimination against the people as a whole that any of this was set into motion.
Abandoning principles and individual identity in favor of behaving as a mindless mass is not something intelligent people do.
It's called human nature. Don't cast them away as unintelligent black people. Everyone can be a victim of group thinking. But that's besides the point, does that somehow make it okay for them to be shot in the streets for meaningless crime? Does any of this destruction even compare to the death of a child or of the many other innocent people who died in similar circumstances?
I have my values, but above all I value human life. And if we can't trust those who are supposed to protect that, when they value property over life, then you can expect something to give.
This saddens me. I've always seen your persona here as blatantly and unapologetically racist. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would say you're hands down the most racist poster on this forum. The unapologetic nature of the racism is what made me at least respect your posts. While I don't agree with them, you at least appeared to wear your racism with pride. It's one thing to be a racist and stand behind your convictions, it's another to be racist and claim that you're not.
I am certainly not racist. Liberals probably have a different definition of racism than normal people. To some liberals, everybody who disagrees with their simplistic and naive world view is a racist, that doesn't make it so and it doesn't make it true.
I do believe that certain cultures are superior to others, that's not racist, because it's not based on skin color at all.
I do believe that certain belief systems are superior to others, again, not racist, no race involved.
If you ever read me ranting against a certain group, it's because of what is in their heads, not what is outside on their skin.
It makes no sense to be a racist, because people do not choose what skin color they are born with. I criticize people and groups of people who choose their actions and their perverse beliefs. People do have a choice in that matter, and their skin color will not protect them from criticism from me, if it's what's inside their heads that is abnormal and messed up.
So to sum things up, nope, I'm not a racist.
You favour discrimination over performance, leading to under-performing companies, which means you can't pay your employees as much; a flawed business plan.
Seems to me that it is you who should remain silent on this topic, as you seem to require many more words than TS to say much less of consequence.
But that's besides the point, does that somehow make it okay for them to be shot in the streets for meaningless crime?
Yes, you can not have gangs of criminals running amok through the streets, rioting, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods. It is absolutely appropriate to stop dangerous criminals from committing further acts of violence and vandalism using whatever methods are deemed necessary, including live rounds. If they get shot, then good, they deserve it, it's solely their own fault, as it was their choice to riot. The police have a duty to protect innocent citizens. The rioters are not innocent civilians.
Violence should be met with violence, as that is the language that everybody understands, including stupid and violent people.
Another demented post.
Why is it great that the number of women has dramatically increased? It's completely irrelevant. If Apple were 100% women or 100% men, it wouldn't matter, as long as they were there purely on merit. Or 100% right-handed, or 100% obese.
The 'mob mentality' can affect just about anyone. Look at the rioting that has taken place in Boston, Miami, and Los Angeles after a sports team wins a championship.
Yes, you can not have gangs of criminals running amok through the streets, rioting, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods. It is absolutely appropriate to stop dangerous criminals from committing acts of violence and vandalism using whatever methods are deemed necessary, including live rounds. If they get shot, then good, they deserve it, it's solely their own fault, as it was their choice to riot.
Violence should be met with violence, as that is the language that everybody understands, including stupid people.
First, I never advocated violence, merely asked you to understand what is causing it, which you have failed to even try.
Second, if violence should be met with violence, then the actions of these people are justified by everything I showed you in examples above because discrimination exists and it results in unwarranted deaths and imprisonment of so many.
It makes no sense to be a racist, because people do not choose what skin color they are born with. I criticize people and groups of people who choose their actions and their perverse beliefs. People do have a choice in that matter, and their skin color will not protect them from criticism from me, if it's what's inside their heads that is abnormal and messed up.
So to sum things up, nope, I'm not a racist.
If I were to be called a racist, my first thought would not be to immediately defend myself and my positions. How is justifying your position going to ever help with the situation? How do you think attempting to invalidate millions of peoples' opinions and feeling at all helps your point? Or society at as a whole?
My reaction would be to understand what exactly was causing such a heavy accusation. You are a racist because you are willingly blind. Instead of asking questions, you simply dismiss. "People are upset? Well they rioted so they're just stupid - let's dismiss everything they're angry about because they didn't stage a sit down at a park." I'm sorry, but while you can tell yourself that you are not racist all you want, the moment you dismiss people like you do, the way you can just avoid stepping into their shoes and then have the girth to criticize them, that makes you a racist.
I would assume any "normal" and healthy individual can be affected by this, save for sociopaths.
Your implication: racism.
The truth: education.
Those already have their plates full of other nefarious proclivities.
My reaction would be to understand what exactly was causing such a heavy accusation.
That's what certain terrorist apologists say about the terrorists too. "We need to understand why they want to kill us! Let's find the root cause!" and other likeminded drivel.
Sorry, I don't buy into such twisted, backwards and demented logic. The root cause is that they are messed up in their heads, and they simply need to be eliminated. It's no more complicated than that. The problem will go away when they're dead.
And I do fully understand what is the root cause behind many racist accusations. It is because many ignorant liberals often resort to the race card, when they have few other arguments that they can utilize. I'm not talking specifically about you or anybody else on this forum, I am talking in general. They can use it as a weapon, often successfully, even if their claims are untrue, and so they continue to use it, though they know it's wrong. But, that doesn't matter to them of course, as anything goes.
These past few years, especially since the past few Presidential races, the race card has been fully worn out, and the liberals have completely damaged the meaning of the word racist, because it has lost most of its meaning. Nobody gives a crap about the boy who cried wolf, after they have been caught as a fraud for the tenth time. When the eleventh time comes around and there's a real wolf, nobody will help the boy, just as nobody is going to care about any real racism if it were to occur, because these people have been repeatedly falsely accused of being racists.
These people are the lowest of the low (the people who falsely play the race card and constantly make racist accusations), and they will get no pity from me, no matter what happens to them in the future.
That's what certain terrorist apologists say about the terrorists too. "We need to understand why they want to kill us! Let's find the root cause!" and other likeminded drivel.
Sorry, I don't buy into such twisted, backwards and demented logic. The root cause is that they are messed up in their heads, and they simply need to be eliminated. It's no more complicated than that. The problem will go away when they're dead.
And I do fully understand what is the root cause behind many racist accusations. It is because many ignorant liberals often resort to the race card, when they have few other arguments that they can utilize. I'm not talking specifically about you or anybody else on this forum, I am talking in general.
These past few years, especially since the past few Presidential races, the race card has been fully worn out, and the liberals have completely damaged the meaning of the word racist, because it has lost most of its meaning. Nobody gives a crap about the boy who cried wolf, after they have been caught as a fraud for the tenth time. When the eleventh time comes around and there's a real wolf, nobody will help the boy, just as nobody is going to care about any real racism if it were to occur, because these people have been repeatedly falsely accused of being racists.
These people are the lowest of the low (the people who falsely play the race card and constantly make racist accusations), and they will get no pity from me, no matter what happens to them in the future.
You compare my asking you to try to understand the cause of social disruptions among your fellow citizens to terrorism. Terrorism. These people are our country as much as you or me.
Ah, the Angles are gone, yet it’s still called England. Though “Hispania” is gone, they’re still called Hispanics.
Off topic but damn interesting and entertaining (at least to me)…
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CGP’s stuff is all pretty good.
I think we all saw the result of why things are the way they are in St. Louis this week.
What an absurd connection to make.