I know, right?!! Based on these so-called "diversity initiatives" you'd think that "minorities" had for centuries been passed over for things because of their race or gender. Where the heck do they get that from?!?!
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!
Discrimination is difficult. It's been entrenched for a long time, socioeconomic effects are still rippling through communities, and it's far from over.
I'll wager you don't have a solution to current discrimination problems that has consensus agreement either.
Do you seriously believe something like that would affect hiring at Apple? Get over it already. It's history. Plus the Supreme Court recently ruled that using race to determine eligibility for determining college admissions is strictly unconstitutional... verboten. This will soon extend to wherever unequal treatment, aka "affirmative action", is used to reward or punish. Steve Jobs himself believed in "equal opportunity, not equal outcomes".
What do you mean? I'm on your side! It's history! I mean, there hasn't been white-male racism in the United States since the 1960's I think. And what happened in the past, well, let that stay in the past!
And RIGHT ON about the Supreme Court ruling! It's obvious that they know what's right better than anyone else (otherwise how would they get on the highest court in the free world?!) For some reason, there remain parts of our population who refuse to acknowledge their wise decisions. I'll never understand for the life of me why we couldn't just accept Plessy v. Ferguson, or Dred Scott v. Sandford. Apple wouldn't be put in this position if people had just accepted it and moved on. I mean who really believes blacks should be allowed to be citizens of the United States regardless of whether they were free or slaves? (Dred Scott v. Sandford) The Supreme Court got it right the first time, as they ALWAYS do.
And on a somewhat unrelated note (but since you brought up the Supreme Court)--- I personally don't believe in any statute of limitations that lasts longer than 1 second after a crime either. Unless someone is actively committing a crime, why bother addressing it after the fact? The so-called victim already lost their money or arm or life or whatever-- there's no way they're going to get it back, so why bother spending taxpayer money on years of investigations, court cases, appeals, prisons with three meals a day, pentobarbital, and whatnot? Why should MY taxpayer dollars be spent just because someone else committed a crime?? Anyway, that's totally unrelated to the issue of addressing so-called historical disenfranchisement of blacks or women, so I'll move on.
You’re right. However, the only charge of the government is to ensure equality of opportunity, not to FORCE equality of outcome.
So just an ad hom and a logical fallacy, then? No argument at all?
RIGHT ON Tallest Skil!
Some people just don't get it like you and I do. Case in point: I just recently bought a brand spankin' new Mac Pro WITH MY OWN HARD EARNED MONEY that I earned from a small business I started myself. You see, I run a small antiques shop. I got started in antiques when my grandfather gave me this heirloom that had been passed down from his own grandfather. It was authenticated to be a shackle that was likely used in either the slave trade or perhaps by a slaveholder. Anyway, I was able to sell it in order to buy more antiques, and on and on until today where I work full time buying and selling antiques. I built my business myself, and liberals want to say I didn't build it!
And they further go on to say that my tax dollars should go towards "equal opportunity"-- well we HAVE equal opportunity! Anyone can start their own business just like I did! Just because some black guy or woman isn't as successful as I was doesn't mean anything. I'm tired of this bellyaching about slavery or Jim Crow or woman's suffrage-- I wasn't involved in any of that! They had their chance just like I had mine. I can't help it if their great grandfather didn't help them out or for WHATEVER reason wasn't able to.
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!
I thought you were on my side RedHotFuzz. It does NOT sound great to me. White-male discrimination ended in the 1960's and that's a FACT. I happened to be born right about that time (1965). So why should my outcome be any different than a black guy or woman who was also born that same year? Well I'll tell you why-- it was purely my skill, intellect, and drive. Liberals like to claim it is because I grew up in a neighborhood that had good public schools while the black janitor who was also born in 1965 grew up in a poor neighborhood. Well whose fault was that?! Discrimination was over (Civil Rights Act of 1965). His family should have just moved to a better neighborhood with better schools!
THEN they claim that he couldn't afford to go to college because he had to work to help support his poor family. Well my parents weren't rich either! They had to secure mortgage backed loans to help pay my way through school. HIS family could have done something similar if they really valued education, even if their house had a lower value because it was in a poor neighborhood. They should have moved to a nicer neighborhood where the houses were actually worth something that the bank would accept as collateral! Am I right or am I right?!
Liberals want to discriminate against white males just because we and our families made these kinds of better decisions and black families didn't!
Some people just don't get it like you and I do. Case in point: I just recently bought a brand spankin' new Mac Pro WITH MY OWN HARD EARNED MONEY that I earned from a small business I started myself. You see, I run a small antiques shop. I got started in antiques when my grandfather gave me this heirloom that had been passed down from his own grandfather. It was authenticated to be a shackle that was likely used in either the slave trade or perhaps by a slaveholder. Anyway, I was able to sell it in order to buy more antiques, and on and on until today where I work full time buying and selling antiques. I built my business myself, and liberals want to say I didn't build it!
And they further go on to say that my tax dollars should go towards "equal opportunity"-- well we HAVE equal opportunity! Anyone can start their own business just like I did! Just because some black guy or woman isn't as successful as I was doesn't mean anything. I'm tired of this bellyaching about slavery or Jim Crow or woman's suffrage-- I wasn't involved in any of that! They had their chance just like I had mine. I can't help it if their great grandfather didn't help them out or for WHATEVER reason wasn't able to.
Yes anyone can start a business but we can't have everyone starting one. We still need people to be policemen, firefighters, bricklayers, etc, etc, etc.... Not all of us have a grandfather the can hand down a heirloom.
I thought you were on my side RedHotFuzz. It does NOT sound great to me. White-male discrimination ended in the 1960's and that's a FACT. I happened to be born right about that time (1965). So why should my outcome be any different than a black guy or woman who was also born that same year? Well I'll tell you why-- it was purely my skill, intellect, and drive. Liberals like to claim it is because I grew up in a neighborhood that had good public schools while the black janitor who was also born in 1965 grew up in a poor neighborhood. Well whose fault was that?! Discrimination was over (Civil Rights Act of 1965). His family should have just moved to a better neighborhood with better schools!
THEN they claim that he couldn't afford to go to college because he had to work to help support his poor family. Well my parents weren't rich either! They had to secure mortgage backed loans to help pay my way through school. HIS family could have done something similar if they really valued education, even if their house had a lower value because it was in a poor neighborhood. They should have moved to a nicer neighborhood where the houses were actually worth something that the bank would accept as collateral! Am I right or am I right?!
Liberals want to discriminate against white males just because we and our families made these kinds of better decisions and black families didn't!
You also weren't enslaved, and purposely kept uneducated for generation after generation.
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I know, right?!! Based on these so-called "diversity initiatives" you'd think that "minorities" had for centuries been passed over for things because of their race or gender. Where the heck do they get that from?!?!
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!![:\](/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
dasanman69: "Of course each individual case is unique,"
OK, makes sense so far.
dasanman69: "but overall a minority student had to overcome a lot of adversity to even get into a level of consideration"
Hmm...
dasanman69: "Not everyone gets the same road to get to the same place."
So let's give out some scholarships! Oh, but only if you have brown in your skin.
So much for "each individual case is unique." Of course.
You’re right. However, the only charge of the government is to ensure equality of opportunity, not to FORCE equality of outcome.
So just an ad hom and a logical fallacy, then? No argument at all?
No argument at all?
They rarely do have one.
Their dirty and old deck of cards is all worn out by now.
If you disagree with something I've said, just state your opinion. I don't need to be referred to as "people". I have opinions, you have opinions.
And other people have opinions, sometimes similar ones. Hence "people"; I wasn't just talking about you.
I would also venture to say that Tim believes he's doing the right thing. Doesn't mean I have to agree with his every decision.
Then what was all the rot about "a "political" decision to appease special interests and make points among competing Silicon Valley hoi polloi" then?
One or the other. Trust the motives or don't trust the motives. Can't do both.
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!![:\](/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Discrimination is difficult. It's been entrenched for a long time, socioeconomic effects are still rippling through communities, and it's far from over.
I'll wager you don't have a solution to current discrimination problems that has consensus agreement either.
Do you seriously believe something like that would affect hiring at Apple? Get over it already. It's history. Plus the Supreme Court recently ruled that using race to determine eligibility for determining college admissions is strictly unconstitutional... verboten. This will soon extend to wherever unequal treatment, aka "affirmative action", is used to reward or punish. Steve Jobs himself believed in "equal opportunity, not equal outcomes".
www.cnn.com/2014/04/22/justice/scotus-michigan-affirmative-action/
Hey SpamSandwich,
What do you mean? I'm on your side! It's history! I mean, there hasn't been white-male racism in the United States since the 1960's I think. And what happened in the past, well, let that stay in the past!
And RIGHT ON about the Supreme Court ruling! It's obvious that they know what's right better than anyone else (otherwise how would they get on the highest court in the free world?!) For some reason, there remain parts of our population who refuse to acknowledge their wise decisions. I'll never understand for the life of me why we couldn't just accept Plessy v. Ferguson, or Dred Scott v. Sandford. Apple wouldn't be put in this position if people had just accepted it and moved on. I mean who really believes blacks should be allowed to be citizens of the United States regardless of whether they were free or slaves? (Dred Scott v. Sandford) The Supreme Court got it right the first time, as they ALWAYS do.
And on a somewhat unrelated note (but since you brought up the Supreme Court)--- I personally don't believe in any statute of limitations that lasts longer than 1 second after a crime either. Unless someone is actively committing a crime, why bother addressing it after the fact? The so-called victim already lost their money or arm or life or whatever-- there's no way they're going to get it back, so why bother spending taxpayer money on years of investigations, court cases, appeals, prisons with three meals a day, pentobarbital, and whatnot? Why should MY taxpayer dollars be spent just because someone else committed a crime?? Anyway, that's totally unrelated to the issue of addressing so-called historical disenfranchisement of blacks or women, so I'll move on.
You’re right. However, the only charge of the government is to ensure equality of opportunity, not to FORCE equality of outcome.
So just an ad hom and a logical fallacy, then? No argument at all?
RIGHT ON Tallest Skil!
Some people just don't get it like you and I do. Case in point: I just recently bought a brand spankin' new Mac Pro WITH MY OWN HARD EARNED MONEY that I earned from a small business I started myself. You see, I run a small antiques shop. I got started in antiques when my grandfather gave me this heirloom that had been passed down from his own grandfather. It was authenticated to be a shackle that was likely used in either the slave trade or perhaps by a slaveholder. Anyway, I was able to sell it in order to buy more antiques, and on and on until today where I work full time buying and selling antiques. I built my business myself, and liberals want to say I didn't build it!
And they further go on to say that my tax dollars should go towards "equal opportunity"-- well we HAVE equal opportunity! Anyone can start their own business just like I did! Just because some black guy or woman isn't as successful as I was doesn't mean anything. I'm tired of this bellyaching about slavery or Jim Crow or woman's suffrage-- I wasn't involved in any of that! They had their chance just like I had mine. I can't help it if their great grandfather didn't help them out or for WHATEVER reason wasn't able to.
Right ON I am sick and tired of this Affirmative Action Crap myself.Everyone has to work hard to get ahead in life .
So let's right discrimination with....more discrimination! Sounds great to me!![:\](/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
I thought you were on my side RedHotFuzz. It does NOT sound great to me. White-male discrimination ended in the 1960's and that's a FACT. I happened to be born right about that time (1965). So why should my outcome be any different than a black guy or woman who was also born that same year? Well I'll tell you why-- it was purely my skill, intellect, and drive. Liberals like to claim it is because I grew up in a neighborhood that had good public schools while the black janitor who was also born in 1965 grew up in a poor neighborhood. Well whose fault was that?! Discrimination was over (Civil Rights Act of 1965). His family should have just moved to a better neighborhood with better schools!
THEN they claim that he couldn't afford to go to college because he had to work to help support his poor family. Well my parents weren't rich either! They had to secure mortgage backed loans to help pay my way through school. HIS family could have done something similar if they really valued education, even if their house had a lower value because it was in a poor neighborhood. They should have moved to a nicer neighborhood where the houses were actually worth something that the bank would accept as collateral! Am I right or am I right?!
Liberals want to discriminate against white males just because we and our families made these kinds of better decisions and black families didn't!
Yes anyone can start a business but we can't have everyone starting one. We still need people to be policemen, firefighters, bricklayers, etc, etc, etc.... Not all of us have a grandfather the can hand down a heirloom.
You also weren't enslaved, and purposely kept uneducated for generation after generation.
What if I want to start a firefighting business?
And this is still happening now, is it? That’s not an argument.
I thought you were on my side RedHotFuzz. It does NOT sound great to me.
I am. I was being sarcastic.
No it's not still happening now, but the ramifications are still being felt. I'm sure you've heard of the butterfly effect.
I'll wager you don't have a solution to current discrimination problems that has consensus agreement either.
My solution is we should stop talking about each other as different species; for example, offering special scholarships for certain skin tones.
We're all equals. Overcompensating for past grievances is not helpful.
No, they’re not.