Apple to give $20K in college scholarships as part of diversity initiative

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  • Reply 61 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    No, they’re not.

    Just because you're blind to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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  • Reply 62 of 106
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Just because you're blind to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

     

    Good for you. Get over this delusion, please.

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  • Reply 63 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Good for you. Get over this delusion, please.

    Enjoy your day over in Utopia.
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  • Reply 64 of 106
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Enjoy your day over in Utopia.

     

    No strawmen here, at least.

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  • Reply 65 of 106
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    No it's not still happening now, but the ramifications are still being felt. I'm sure you've heard of the butterfly effect.

    The short version (from Wikipedia): "In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependency on initial conditions in which a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state."

    The assumption being (in your example) that because there used to be slavery in the US, slavery's effects will always be felt to one degree or another in the US? Perhaps. However, today there is no slavery and there is still a lingering sense of inequality. Why? Because unequal treatment is not only reinforced by programs such as Affirmative Action, charges of racism have become the ultimate Godwin's Law argument in favor of advantageous "unequal" treatment. In other words, if one is a so-called "minority" (the word itself is loaded with divisiveness), one should automatically be assumed to be oppressed and disadvantaged. It's a logical argument built on false assumptions. Equal treatment begins and ends when special treatment is afforded to no one and people are treated as individuals, not masses and statistics.
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  • Reply 66 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    The short version (from Wikipedia): "In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependency on initial conditions in which a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state."

    The assumption being (in your example) that because there used to be slavery in the US, slavery's effects will always be felt to one degree or another in the US? Perhaps. However, today there is no slavery and there is still a lingering sense of inequality. Why? Because unequal treatment is not only reinforced by programs such as Affirmative Action, charges of racism have become the ultimate Godwin's Law argument in favor of advantageous "unequal" treatment. In other words, if one is a so-called "minority" (the word itself is loaded with divisiveness), one should automatically be assumed to be oppressed and disadvantaged. It's a logical argument built on false assumptions. Equal treatment begins and ends when special treatment is afforded to no one and people are treated as individuals, not masses and statistics.

    Funny how nobody complains about special treatment until someone else is getting it.
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  • Reply 67 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    No strawmen here, at least.

    Nope, just blindman
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  • Reply 68 of 106
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Funny how nobody complains about special treatment until someone else is getting it.



    Funny how that’s not an argument.

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  • Reply 69 of 106
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Funny how nobody complains about special treatment until someone else is getting it.

    That's just it. Everyone believes in their own special treatment. There are no identical snowflakes. Everyone is special, therefore no one is.
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  • Reply 70 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member

    Funny how that’s not an argument.

    It wasn't meant to be one.
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  • Reply 71 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    That's just it. Everyone believes in their own special treatment. There are no identical snowflakes. Everyone is special, therefore no one is.

    Problem is that some people are less not special than others.
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  • Reply 72 of 106
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    I suppose this is the right idea (from a pandering point of view), although it would be nicer if the scholarship were not based on race, sex or other limitations. Quite frankly, industry should be forming guilds and alliances to subsidize or replace public education anyway, since public schools are doing such a lousy job of educating kids. In all honesty, I believe sports programs should be removed from schools and private sports universities should be sponsored by the NBA, NFL, etc. as they are the sole benefactors of the "puppy mill" sports systems that exists today.

    A return to guilds and apprentice systems where education ensures the continuation of businesses which need skilled employees should be welcomed. Existing schools teach information which is seldom relevant to success.

    I agree that scholarships should be based on merit / financial needs only, nothing else. Ironically I just read that 'white' American school children will be the minority now in US schools. Kind of making the point nicely that it should not matter for these scholarships.

    The last paragraph, although not entirely without merit has the problem that it kind of predetermines the future too early. Not too many children in the watch makers guild ended up as tanners :)
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  • Reply 73 of 106
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Problem is that some people are less not special than others.

    And just how are they less not special? I have a feeling you're about to make another sweeping generalization that has not been thought out in advance...
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  • Reply 74 of 106
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Problem is that some people are less not special than others.

    So true. That said, I worked with cerebral palsy kids for seven years, early in my career. I'd day those kids were way more special than many I have met. Some of the nicest humans I have ever known.
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  • Reply 75 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    And just how are they less not special? I have a feeling you're about to make another sweeping generalization that has not been thought out in advance...

    Let me just use one fairly obvious example. The US is in a war set upon by politicians. How many of their children are on the front lines of the war they saw fit to wage? Who's kids are getting killed, blown up, and beheaded? Why are other people's family members less not special than their's?
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  • Reply 76 of 106
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Let me just use one fairly obvious example. The US is in a war set upon by politicians. How many of their children are on the front lines of the war they saw fit to wage? Who's kids are getting killed, blown up, and beheaded? Why are other people's family members less not special than their's?

    Not that I disagree with you on this particular tangent, but it takes us from a train wobbling on the tracks to fully derailed.
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  • Reply 77 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    So true. That said, I worked with cerebral palsy kids for seven years, early in my career. I'd day those kids were way more special than many I have met. Some of the nicest humans I have ever known.

    Yet it wasn't too long ago that those exceptionally special children would be smothered with a pillow by their parents.
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  • Reply 78 of 106
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Not that I disagree with you on this particular tangent, but it takes us from a train wobbling on the tracks to fully derailed.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to keep your family out of harm's way, but somebody saying that no one should have special treatment is a hypocrite. We all give special treatment to someone in one way or another.
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  • Reply 79 of 106
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with wanting to keep your family out of harm's way, but somebody saying that no one should have special treatment is a hypocrite. We all give special treatment to someone in one way or another.

    You're completely missing the point now. This has nothing to do with family.
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  • Reply 80 of 106
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Yet it wasn't too long ago that those exceptionally special children would be smothered with a pillow by their parents.

    Ouch.
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