Yes, Apple tests their phones. But how about comparing those numbers to the amount of force produced by people? It would have been more convincing if Apple invited the largest journalist in the group to try those same tests himself, then show that those machines actually produce more force.
Cracked screens are generally a result of being dropped by accident. No-one is going to hold Apple responsible for that.
But if people are worried that their Plus is in danger of acquiring a bend over the long term through simply being in a pocket—well, that's going to put them off buying it in the first place. And secondly, people would regard that as a structural flaw in the phone and blame Apple, rightly.
The problem for Apple is that even if in four years' time, only a tiny number of Pluses end up bent, the damage has been done already. People have to make a judgment today on whether they want to risk it. Apple showing a few journalists their testing equipment isn't going to count for much. If anything, the reverse, as it seems like Apple is saying, "Well, we've gone through our usual tests; that's all, folks," when it's very obvious that the new iPhones are bound to be less robust that past models.
I'm afraid that the youtube guy's video is convincing and he comes across as honest.
I agree with you that it's all about the perception. The current perception is that it can bend in "normal" use. That's obviously false, but it doesn't matter. That's why Apple has to keep making the point that this is a RARE occurrence. In other words, fight this perception with FACTS. Also, we need reputable(such as recode, anandtech) folks to do their own testing and report that. I'm talking about using it in NORMAL situations(who cares if it bends with your hands).
Yes, Apple tests their phones. But how about comparing those numbers to the amount of force produced by people? It would have been more convincing if Apple invited the largest journalist in the group to try those same tests himself, then show that those machines actually produce more force.
Apple aren't perfect; even they make mistakes. Remember Antennagate?
Apple is singular. For instance, Apple is not perfect. Further Apple is not a they it is an it.
Wrong.
Both are correct. Apple can be singular and plural.
If you really want to be picky about this, Apple is a company. Company in the business context, is a singular, inanimate noun (not a collective noun), referring to a singular, inanimate entity. It is Apple. They are not Apple.
Another story was reporting that the actual number of cases reported to Apple was ...9. Even calling it a manufacturing defect only having 9 issues out of over 10 million phones is a home run in my book.
Yes - That number is much lower than Six Sigma, which is 3.4 defects per Million.
Apple aren't perfect; even they make mistakes. Remember Antennagate?
Apple is singular. For instance, Apple is not perfect. Further Apple is not a they it is an it.
Actually, the plural is correct in British usage. (I think they know something about English.)
And, as to whether it should be 'they' or 'it,' that depends on whether you believe in the notion of personhood of the corporation. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the corporation has some important personhood rights (e.g., the right to free speech).
And people who wear skinny tight jeans with big booty and put their phone or any object deserves what is coming to them. Maybe Apple should come up with a feature which will stick a needle up someone booty if they are disrespectful to their phone. If you put too must pressure of the phone it will prick you. Maybe they can modify the vibrate mode to prick the person of give them small electric shocks to get off their fat asses!
Yes - as expected, they tested extensively and the design meets their strength criteria. Now, one can argue about whether those criteria are appropriate but, given the forces apparently applied by others to make these phones bend, I see no evidence that they are not.
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“Look. Idiots. Here’s how it goes down. Now stop spreading lies about our products.”
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Brilliant! This is exactly how to deal with viral trolling, use the publicity to shed positive light on the issue and hilight one of Apple's many strengths, build quality. This is a new Apple we're seeing and I love it. Major kudos to Tim for making this happen. I hope we see more of this kind of FUD control.
And next year when Apple fixes the issue with a new 6 PLUS S material you all will eat crow- just like when Apple fixed antennae gate on the iPhone 4 to 4S.
Tim Cook should give out free steel bumpers for the 6 PLUS like Steve did for the 4.
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Please shut the **** up. Don't derail the thread.
Why should this thread be any different than normal.
Yes, Apple tests their phones. But how about comparing those numbers to the amount of force produced by people? It would have been more convincing if Apple invited the largest journalist in the group to try those same tests himself, then show that those machines actually produce more force.
It's a question of perception.
Cracked screens are generally a result of being dropped by accident. No-one is going to hold Apple responsible for that.
But if people are worried that their Plus is in danger of acquiring a bend over the long term through simply being in a pocket—well, that's going to put them off buying it in the first place. And secondly, people would regard that as a structural flaw in the phone and blame Apple, rightly.
The problem for Apple is that even if in four years' time, only a tiny number of Pluses end up bent, the damage has been done already. People have to make a judgment today on whether they want to risk it. Apple showing a few journalists their testing equipment isn't going to count for much. If anything, the reverse, as it seems like Apple is saying, "Well, we've gone through our usual tests; that's all, folks," when it's very obvious that the new iPhones are bound to be less robust that past models.
I'm afraid that the youtube guy's video is convincing and he comes across as honest.
I agree with you that it's all about the perception. The current perception is that it can bend in "normal" use. That's obviously false, but it doesn't matter. That's why Apple has to keep making the point that this is a RARE occurrence. In other words, fight this perception with FACTS. Also, we need reputable(such as recode, anandtech) folks to do their own testing and report that. I'm talking about using it in NORMAL situations(who cares if it bends with your hands).
Hey that is clever I didn't catch that before.
Yes, Apple tests their phones. But how about comparing those numbers to the amount of force produced by people? It would have been more convincing if Apple invited the largest journalist in the group to try those same tests himself, then show that those machines actually produce more force.
You obviously miss the point of the testing.
Apple is singular. For instance, Apple is not perfect. Further Apple is not a they it is an it.
Wrong.
Both are correct. Apple can be singular and plural.
The iPhone 6 Plus is a curse on Apple. They never should've made it. I bet none of the executives including Ive himself even use it.
Oh, brother.
I agree.
Apple aren't perfect; even they make mistakes. Remember Antennagate?
Apple is singular. For instance, Apple is not perfect. Further Apple is not a they it is an it.
Wrong.
Both are correct. Apple can be singular and plural.
If you really want to be picky about this, Apple is a company. Company in the business context, is a singular, inanimate noun (not a collective noun), referring to a singular, inanimate entity. It is Apple. They are not Apple.
Another story was reporting that the actual number of cases reported to Apple was ...9. Even calling it a manufacturing defect only having 9 issues out of over 10 million phones is a home run in my book.
Yes - That number is much lower than Six Sigma, which is 3.4 defects per Million.
Actually, the plural is correct in British usage. (I think they know something about English.)
And, as to whether it should be 'they' or 'it,' that depends on whether you believe in the notion of personhood of the corporation. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the corporation has some important personhood rights (e.g., the right to free speech).
Give it a rest. We heard you twice the first time.
People who do this...
...deserve to lose their toys.
And people who wear skinny tight jeans with big booty and put their phone or any object deserves what is coming to them. Maybe Apple should come up with a feature which will stick a needle up someone booty if they are disrespectful to their phone. If you put too must pressure of the phone it will prick you. Maybe they can modify the vibrate mode to prick the person of give them small electric shocks to get off their fat asses!
Give it a rest. We heard you twice the first time.
My nested quote has been changed by someone. I did not say "Oh, for sure." I said, "Oh, brother." Screw whomever changed my quote.
My nested quote has been changed by someone. I did not say "Oh, for sure." I said, "Oh, brother." Screw whomever changed my quote.
Changing someone's words in the Quote should be worthy of a one week suspension... imo.
Changing someone's words in the Quote should be worthy of a one week suspension... imo.
I agree.
I don't see any media trolls out there kicking Prius's and "revealing" the dents and dings, blaming Toyota.
Weird. Just to clarify, I was referring to Frost, not you.
(Unfortunately, and as you likely know, it's a pain to de-nest quotes when posting on AI from an iPad or iPhone).
Yes - as expected, they tested extensively and the design meets their strength criteria. Now, one can argue about whether those criteria are appropriate but, given the forces apparently applied by others to make these phones bend, I see no evidence that they are not.
“Look. Idiots. Here’s how it goes down. Now stop spreading lies about our products.”
Brilliant! This is exactly how to deal with viral trolling, use the publicity to shed positive light on the issue and hilight one of Apple's many strengths, build quality. This is a new Apple we're seeing and I love it. Major kudos to Tim for making this happen. I hope we see more of this kind of FUD control.
And next year when Apple fixes the issue with a new 6 PLUS S material you all will eat crow- just like when Apple fixed antennae gate on the iPhone 4 to 4S.
Tim Cook should give out free steel bumpers for the 6 PLUS like Steve did for the 4.