Have we? What moron would want OS X on a touchscreen?
What sort of moron would use the touch screen when docked with a keyboard and track pad combo? There are multiple ways Apple could make this work if it wanted too. Use you imagination or at least read for content.
I agree. I believe it will not happen since Apple will not let it happen: after all, it would kill off the sales of the MBAir.
MSFT's partners do not realize (yet) that the Surface Whatever-Model could kill of a lot of PC sales. At least, I am sure that's MSFT's wink-wink business model here. They can have it.
I am desperate for these rumours of an iPad Pro to be true, and it better have a stylus.
Me too. I'm tired of almost working styluses on iPad. I get that it's not for everyone, but a Pro version of the iPad is exactly the excuse needed to offer a stylus that is perfect for artists and notetakers. It has the low latency, the beautiful screens, the best most quickly developing software. Just no real stylus or mechanism for accurate sensing of one. I'll be sorely disappointed if the iPad Pro arrives without at least an option to buy a stylus that is truly supported with hardware. (and yes, for artists, the Surface Pro is also continually tempting, as is the Wacom Cintiq Hybrid. Problem? Wrong operating systems and software -- even Windows apps don't support stylus very well most of the time.)
It's already worrying to see no rumors about that aspect of the device. Stereo sound? Okay. Pros will use a headset they care that much about sound so... that's just a throwaway feature that is mildly nice for watching movies and things... as much separation as you can hear between 12 inches anyway. No one owes me good rumors, though, I'll take what I can get!
I agree. I believe it will not happen since Apple will not let it happen: after all, it would kill off the sales of the MBAir.
MSFT's partners do not realize (yet) that the Surface Whatever-Model could kill of a lot of PC sales. At least, I am sure that's MSFT's wink-wink business model here. They can have it.
The iPad sales have already cannibalized some MacBook Air sales. The high-end 128GB iPad overlaps the low-end 128GB 11" MBA in price, and I'd argue now, performance as well. Apple has made public statements about not worrying about cannibalization. So Tim Cook would disagree with your statement.
Why is the article talking about possible stereo speakers?
iPads already have stereo speakers, do they not?
I would prefer the current speakers to be in landscape instead of portrait, but there are indeed two speakers there, and I believe that it's technically stereo.
But there's no reason Apple can't close the gap and appeal to buyers in between.
Apple can certainly make iOS devices more powerful but certain work flows just do better with Mac OS like access to the hardware. Those that can't see the potential for a machine that runs both operating systems just aren't trying hard enough. Given that Apple has many options here including a melding of the two OS's.
In any event I don't think people have much in the way of vision if they can't see Apple having many paths infront of them. The difficulty is in the choosing of the best path for the majority of users.
iWork apps will be better on a 12.2" iPad. They are ready to go pro. And there are plenty of other really creative iPad apps that would be even better on a big screen.
Most certainly! Just as there are many apps that already leverage the increased RAM in the iPad Air 2. Frankly i find it perplexing that people don't see the potential here for a true line up of iPads.
My only concern is that Apple is spreading itself too thin across the iPad line. 3 sizes? Do we need three? Time will tell.
Three should be the minimal. It wouldn't hurt for them to bring about a model design specifically for gaming, in that sense one that support I/O on the housing itself You know buttons to fire the cannons and like.
Honestly Apple has done amazing things with the current two iOS tablets and the iPad Air 2 is certainly state of the art. Adding another size does add to the developmental challenges but that isn't too odd. I do find it strange though that the article implied that this multi billion dollar company didn't have the staff to upgrade the Mini in a decent way.
It really looks like a case of trying to do too much with too little.
If Apple has in mind launching an iPad Pro then suddenly the A8X and 2 Gb RAM all make sense. Developers need to write app and programs for iPad Pro now, that is, before the launch.
Many businesses, professionals and power users need a device with more than 9.7" screen and a lot more power than the typical A8 and 1 Gb RAM.
Typical consumers will be happy with iPad Air 2 for many years to come. How do you grow iPad sales? By going for new markets and targeting new users.
I agree. I believe it will not happen since Apple will not let it happen: after all, it would kill off the sales of the MBAir.
Apple doesn't care about what gets killed off, i don't believe how many times this is seen in the forums yet it is obvious looking at Apples product history that the new often does kill off the old. Should be pretty obvious to most. Frankly if they killed off MBA with an ARM powered device it would be a huge win for Apple.
MSFT's partners do not realize (yet) that the Surface Whatever-Model could kill of a lot of PC sales. At least, I am sure that's MSFT's wink-wink business model here. They can have it.
You are just totally misinformed here. MSFT's partners are looking for a device that can replace lost sales that went to Apple products. Surface might not be it but Apple's impact on PC sales have been well documented. At this point, many of MSFT's partners would sell peanuts if it made a profit for them.
Have we? What moron would want OS X on a touchscreen?
Christ. For the astute observer, Yosemite is ALOT more touch friendly than Mavericks. It's not out of the question that OSX might work with touch input in the future, of course along with keyboard and mice. Apple will never force you to ONLY use touch input on OSX, but its not that far of a leap to have touch input as an option if it is running along with iOS on some kind of future device.
Me too. I'm tired of almost working styluses on iPad. I get that it's not for everyone,
The aren't for everyone which is probably why Apple would not support a stylus. Beyond that Apple's current Touch technology isn't really designed to support a Stylus. They could certainly update the hardware but I don't see that as a slam dunk as the root mode for operating na iPad is via Touch.
but a Pro version of the iPad is exactly the excuse needed to offer a stylus that is perfect for artists and notetakers.
A Stylus is useless for note taking unless Apple can deliver outstanding hand writing recognition. This is where the hybrid approach where a Keyboard and track pad comes into play.
It has the low latency, the beautiful screens, the best most quickly developing software. Just no real stylus or mechanism for accurate sensing of one.
Exactly! The hardware i currently designed to support Touch not Styluses. It would be a major refactoring to bring decent Stylus support to iOS hardware. I just don't see the market to justify it.
I'll be sorely disappointed if the iPad Pro arrives without at least an option to buy a stylus that is truly supported with hardware. (and yes, for artists, the Surface Pro is also continually tempting, as is the Wacom Cintiq Hybrid. Problem? Wrong operating systems and software -- even Windows apps don't support stylus very well most of the time.)
Special needs people really have to learn to love dealing with special needs manufactures. Apple isn't Wacom.
It's already worrying to see no rumors about that aspect of the device. Stereo sound? Okay.
I'd be much happier with louder sound. If they need two speakers to do that so be it. Oh by the way louder also implies a wider range of volume adjustment. An incredible number of videos out there hardly produce enough audio volume to be heard in a quite room on my iPad 3. Pretty sad really.
Pros will use a headset they care that much about sound so... that's just a throwaway feature that is mildly nice for watching movies and things... as much separation as you can hear between 12 inches anyway. No one owes me good rumors, though, I'll take what I can get!
Well the major overhaul of the iPad Air 2 is something to see as a positive! If as much effort is put into the 12" machine we could get a wide range of very nice improvements.
Why is the article talking about possible stereo speakers?
iPads already have stereo speakers, do they not?
I would prefer the current speakers to be in landscape instead of portrait, but there are indeed two speakers there, and I believe that it's technically stereo.
Technically, but it quickly stinks when you turn the iPad sideways.
I think it may be another generation or two before they do OS X on ARM simply because they'll likely want to offer some sort of x86 emulation capability, and the AX8 may not have the oomph (two might) Obviously heavy duty programs won't work (the same way G5 optimized programs didn't work in Rosetta), but light duty ones should. Fat binaries would help as well, offer ARM and X86 code with apps on the Mac App Store.
As for Office, Microsoft already has Office on ARM with the version that launched on the a Surface RT, that would work well on a iPad Pro. The main thing it didn't do was macros in Excel, but that can be fixed.
I'd be much happier with louder sound. If they need two speakers to do that so be it. Oh by the way louder also implies a wider range of volume adjustment. An incredible number of videos out there hardly produce enough audio volume to be heard in a quite room on my iPad 3. Pretty sad really.
That's already been solved!
I had an iPad 3, and I agree with you that the sound output was far too low. When watching live tv on the iPad 3, I would have the volume at max, and it wasn't nearly loud enough.
The iPad Air 2 is loads louder than the iPad 3! And when using those same apps as before, I can now easily tell that the sound output is much louder!
And by the way, iPads do have two speakers now, and it's been that way for a while.
Whenever I see iPad Pro and Surface mentioned in the same sentence, I get terrified, because I hope that the iPad Pro is going to be nothing like the Surface disaster. Why in the hell should Apple copy something that is a flop? If you want a damn Surface, then go buy one! Don't infect Apple with your outrageous and obscene ideas!
I don't want a damn keyboard on the iPad Pro, and I don't want any kind of stand or kickstand. I just want a bigger iPad. It's fine it can run two apps side by side, but don't try to make it into a damn laptop and I also don't want OS X running on it.
Either way, I'll be happy, because I'm very satisfied with my iPad Air 2 128GB. If the iPad Pro turns out to be not to my liking, then I just won't get one.
If true, this will be OS X/iOS running under ARM with touch support. The merger has to happen.
First of all: iOS is OS X is iOS with a different UI.
It does make some sense to allow side-by-side apps on a larger screen iPad -- maybe even the current iPads. But, wait ... aren't you really running two windows ... really? They're not resizeable, and they don't overlap -- but they're 2 windows ...
If you could run 2, why not 4??? Where do you draw the line?
Second: Don't Want a keyboard on the iPad.
Too late ... There are already keyboards for the iPad -- including Apple's Mac BT keyboards. Handoff in iOS8 and Yosemite is only going to increase the desire/need for an optional kb for the iPad.
I suspect that some of those Apple/IBM Partnership Swift programmers (and their IT counterparts) will want to HandOff Swift Playgrounds and Swift Xcode programming among iPads and Macs -- I certainly do!
Similar needs exist for other pro uses of iPads.
Third: The secret to all this is doing it right -- so you can satisfy the pro user as well as the casual user.
If you harken back (I always wanted to say that) to the first iPhone or the first iPad -- then compare that to iOS 8 ...
Today, we have a complex and bloated iDevice UI ... what happened to the casual user ... those little toddlers who could use an iPad, intuitively:
[VIDEO]
I like to think that I'm a pretty savvy tech user ... but I'm getting my family's phone calls and texts on my new iMac ... Why?
Every time i update our household's iPads and iPhones with a new point release I have to redo all the settings ... how? Where? Why?
IMO, iOS 8 is bursting at the seams [conforming to prior built-in iOS restrictions]. They are trying to re-engineer it to make more open, more flexible, more powerful ... but they are making it harder to use! Oddly, Yosemite is faster, simpler, and easier to install than iOS 8 -- and you don't have to redo all your settings/system preferences.
I think that it is beyond time for Apple to rethink the iOS and UI as one -- and as a participant in a world of cloud and traditional PCs ... as well interfacing things such as the IoT, iBeacons Apple Pay ...
Maybe the Apple Watch UI is pointing the way -- present the user a few, cogent options based on what he's been doing (and give him the ability to easily override/search when when necessary).
Tho, I think the Apple Watch [iDevice, Mac, AppleTV] home screen should show you your stuff [that you've been recently working on] -- rather than the apps you need to launch to get to your stuff.
Technically, but it quickly stinks when you turn the iPad sideways.
I agree, and I have mentioned a few times before that the speakers would be better if placed landscape, since that is how most people will watch media and play many games. Also, landscape would allow the speakers to be placed farther apart, so stereo would be easier to detect.
[quote name="boredumb" url="/t/183188/rumor-apples-ipad-pro-to-be-as-thin-as-an-iphone-sport-12-2-inch-display-extra-speakers/40#post_2632780"]I think it has been destined to happen since a couple of years before Apple started denying it would ever merge the two. Have they stopped denying it yet? [/quote
I don't see a merger as much as a hybrid. the reality is that if you remove too much of Mac OS's good features from the new OS people will reject it. The whole point of wanting Mac OS in a tablet/hybrid device is to be able to leverage the strengths of an advanced operating system. this is where i really think you need a modal solution.
So when the display is docked with the keyboard/trackpad mechanism you get a Mac OS device. When undocked you get a iOS device.
The problem I have is that when i reach of my iPad the usage is so much different than when I reach for the Mac that a margin of the two OS's would do almost nothing for me.
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What sort of moron would use the touch screen when docked with a keyboard and track pad combo? There are multiple ways Apple could make this work if it wanted too. Use you imagination or at least read for content.
.... and I also don't want OS X running on it.
I agree. I believe it will not happen since Apple will not let it happen: after all, it would kill off the sales of the MBAir.
MSFT's partners do not realize (yet) that the Surface Whatever-Model could kill of a lot of PC sales. At least, I am sure that's MSFT's wink-wink business model here. They can have it.
" ....and the iPhone 6 Pro's 7.1mm at its thickest point. "
It's called the iPhone 6 Plus. Not pro.
Yeah, a common rookie mistake. AppleInsider is new to the Apple universe.
I am desperate for these rumours of an iPad Pro to be true, and it better have a stylus.
Me too. I'm tired of almost working styluses on iPad. I get that it's not for everyone, but a Pro version of the iPad is exactly the excuse needed to offer a stylus that is perfect for artists and notetakers. It has the low latency, the beautiful screens, the best most quickly developing software. Just no real stylus or mechanism for accurate sensing of one. I'll be sorely disappointed if the iPad Pro arrives without at least an option to buy a stylus that is truly supported with hardware. (and yes, for artists, the Surface Pro is also continually tempting, as is the Wacom Cintiq Hybrid. Problem? Wrong operating systems and software -- even Windows apps don't support stylus very well most of the time.)
It's already worrying to see no rumors about that aspect of the device. Stereo sound? Okay. Pros will use a headset they care that much about sound so... that's just a throwaway feature that is mildly nice for watching movies and things... as much separation as you can hear between 12 inches anyway. No one owes me good rumors, though, I'll take what I can get!
I agree. I believe it will not happen since Apple will not let it happen: after all, it would kill off the sales of the MBAir.
MSFT's partners do not realize (yet) that the Surface Whatever-Model could kill of a lot of PC sales. At least, I am sure that's MSFT's wink-wink business model here. They can have it.
The iPad sales have already cannibalized some MacBook Air sales. The high-end 128GB iPad overlaps the low-end 128GB 11" MBA in price, and I'd argue now, performance as well. Apple has made public statements about not worrying about cannibalization. So Tim Cook would disagree with your statement.
If true, this will be OS X/iOS running under ARM with touch support. The merger has to happen.
I think it has been destined to happen since a couple of years before Apple started denying it would ever merge the two.
Have they stopped denying it yet?
Why is the article talking about possible stereo speakers?
iPads already have stereo speakers, do they not?
I would prefer the current speakers to be in landscape instead of portrait, but there are indeed two speakers there, and I believe that it's technically stereo.
In any event I don't think people have much in the way of vision if they can't see Apple having many paths infront of them. The difficulty is in the choosing of the best path for the majority of users. Most certainly! Just as there are many apps that already leverage the increased RAM in the iPad Air 2. Frankly i find it perplexing that people don't see the potential here for a true line up of iPads. Three should be the minimal. It wouldn't hurt for them to bring about a model design specifically for gaming, in that sense one that support I/O on the housing itself You know buttons to fire the cannons and like.
Honestly Apple has done amazing things with the current two iOS tablets and the iPad Air 2 is certainly state of the art. Adding another size does add to the developmental challenges but that isn't too odd. I do find it strange though that the article implied that this multi billion dollar company didn't have the staff to upgrade the Mini in a decent way.
It really looks like a case of trying to do too much with too little.
If Apple has in mind launching an iPad Pro then suddenly the A8X and 2 Gb RAM all make sense. Developers need to write app and programs for iPad Pro now, that is, before the launch.
Many businesses, professionals and power users need a device with more than 9.7" screen and a lot more power than the typical A8 and 1 Gb RAM.
Typical consumers will be happy with iPad Air 2 for many years to come. How do you grow iPad sales? By going for new markets and targeting new users.
You are just totally misinformed here. MSFT's partners are looking for a device that can replace lost sales that went to Apple products. Surface might not be it but Apple's impact on PC sales have been well documented. At this point, many of MSFT's partners would sell peanuts if it made a profit for them.
Have we? What moron would want OS X on a touchscreen?
Christ. For the astute observer, Yosemite is ALOT more touch friendly than Mavericks. It's not out of the question that OSX might work with touch input in the future, of course along with keyboard and mice. Apple will never force you to ONLY use touch input on OSX, but its not that far of a leap to have touch input as an option if it is running along with iOS on some kind of future device.
Well the major overhaul of the iPad Air 2 is something to see as a positive! If as much effort is put into the 12" machine we could get a wide range of very nice improvements.
Technically, but it quickly stinks when you turn the iPad sideways.
I think it may be another generation or two before they do OS X on ARM simply because they'll likely want to offer some sort of x86 emulation capability, and the AX8 may not have the oomph (two might) Obviously heavy duty programs won't work (the same way G5 optimized programs didn't work in Rosetta), but light duty ones should. Fat binaries would help as well, offer ARM and X86 code with apps on the Mac App Store.
As for Office, Microsoft already has Office on ARM with the version that launched on the a Surface RT, that would work well on a iPad Pro. The main thing it didn't do was macros in Excel, but that can be fixed.
I'd be much happier with louder sound. If they need two speakers to do that so be it. Oh by the way louder also implies a wider range of volume adjustment. An incredible number of videos out there hardly produce enough audio volume to be heard in a quite room on my iPad 3. Pretty sad really.
That's already been solved!
I had an iPad 3, and I agree with you that the sound output was far too low. When watching live tv on the iPad 3, I would have the volume at max, and it wasn't nearly loud enough.
The iPad Air 2 is loads louder than the iPad 3! And when using those same apps as before, I can now easily tell that the sound output is much louder!
And by the way, iPads do have two speakers now, and it's been that way for a while.
First of all: iOS is OS X is iOS with a different UI.
It does make some sense to allow side-by-side apps on a larger screen iPad -- maybe even the current iPads. But, wait ... aren't you really running two windows ... really? They're not resizeable, and they don't overlap -- but they're 2 windows ...
If you could run 2, why not 4??? Where do you draw the line?
Second: Don't Want a keyboard on the iPad.
Too late ... There are already keyboards for the iPad -- including Apple's Mac BT keyboards. Handoff in iOS8 and Yosemite is only going to increase the desire/need for an optional kb for the iPad.
I suspect that some of those Apple/IBM Partnership Swift programmers (and their IT counterparts) will want to HandOff Swift Playgrounds and Swift Xcode programming among iPads and Macs -- I certainly do!
Similar needs exist for other pro uses of iPads.
Third: The secret to all this is doing it right -- so you can satisfy the pro user as well as the casual user.
If you harken back (I always wanted to say that) to the first iPhone or the first iPad -- then compare that to iOS 8 ...
Today, we have a complex and bloated iDevice UI ... what happened to the casual user ... those little toddlers who could use an iPad, intuitively:
[VIDEO]
I like to think that I'm a pretty savvy tech user ... but I'm getting my family's phone calls and texts on my new iMac ... Why?
Every time i update our household's iPads and iPhones with a new point release I have to redo all the settings ... how? Where? Why?
IMO, iOS 8 is bursting at the seams [conforming to prior built-in iOS restrictions]. They are trying to re-engineer it to make more open, more flexible, more powerful ... but they are making it harder to use! Oddly, Yosemite is faster, simpler, and easier to install than iOS 8 -- and you don't have to redo all your settings/system preferences.
I think that it is beyond time for Apple to rethink the iOS and UI as one -- and as a participant in a world of cloud and traditional PCs ... as well interfacing things such as the IoT, iBeacons Apple Pay ...
Maybe the Apple Watch UI is pointing the way -- present the user a few, cogent options based on what he's been doing (and give him the ability to easily override/search when when necessary).
Tho, I think the Apple Watch [iDevice, Mac, AppleTV] home screen should show you your stuff [that you've been recently working on] -- rather than the apps you need to launch to get to your stuff.
/rant
Technically, but it quickly stinks when you turn the iPad sideways.
I agree, and I have mentioned a few times before that the speakers would be better if placed landscape, since that is how most people will watch media and play many games. Also, landscape would allow the speakers to be placed farther apart, so stereo would be easier to detect.
Have they stopped denying it yet?
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I don't see a merger as much as a hybrid. the reality is that if you remove too much of Mac OS's good features from the new OS people will reject it. The whole point of wanting Mac OS in a tablet/hybrid device is to be able to leverage the strengths of an advanced operating system. this is where i really think you need a modal solution.
So when the display is docked with the keyboard/trackpad mechanism you get a Mac OS device. When undocked you get a iOS device.
The problem I have is that when i reach of my iPad the usage is so much different than when I reach for the Mac that a margin of the two OS's would do almost nothing for me.
Sure is. Doesn’t make it usable with a touchscreen, though.
I tend to disagree. OS X is mouse+keyboard.
I can’t imagine them ever forcing you to use it at all, but again that’s my take on OS XI.
I tend to disagree. OS X is mouse+keyboard.
If you replace mouse with magic trackpad, then I agree!
I can count the number of times that I have used a mouse with OS X these past years on one hand.