Which brings up the question of why some people think they need to buy everything Apple makes or at least pass judgment upon every device Apple makes.
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As for passing judgement, that is what people do on forums!
I would like a larger iPad, so I am obviously interested in any future Apple iPad, and you can be sure that I'm going to let my voice be heard.
Everybody wants devices that are tailored to their own individual needs and desires.
As for me, this would make for a killer iPad Pro!
(1) 2 A8x chips. Boy would that thing be crazy powerful.
(2) 12.9" display
(3) move the stereo speakers to landscape instead of portrait.
That's about it! That device would be awesome! I don't have any crazy demands or expectations. Keep it simple!
There's a good market for it:
1) PoS (You want something large enough to make a product verification.)
2) Education (I always thing it's odd when something is marketed as being "educational", for whom? For children it would have to be smaller and more durable. For College/University it would have to be no bigger than a textbook (which for 8x11 paper diagonal is about 13.9") with the same aspect ratio of paper. Not sure about Europe in that case)
3) Elderly... just want larger devices period.
But I'm hesitant to suggest that it's necessary unless it's a prelude to some kind of AppleTV/FaceTime FullHD/4K or something like that. The only real benefit you get out of a larger device that has stereo microphones is to use it to record HD/4K like an actual camcorder but, even then the storage on such a device is completely useless when they burn 30GB/hr. I'd love to see a micro SDXC (UHS-II) slot on an iPad Pro for storing pictures/video but I doubt we will see it.
Hmm...if it comes with a nicely designed stand and keyboard, some new tricks in IOS 8.2 or 9, who knows, it may just be the ideal replacement desktop for small businesses and users who are not tied-in to Winword and Excel. Easier maintenance, less malware/virus threats and cost savings over the long-term.
I know of a friend who wishes to buy a 12" inch iPad just to read his magazine subscriptions on it. But how many people would prefer to consume media on a heavier 12" versus 5.5" plus, 7.9" mini or 9.7" Air?
At the end of the day, it will all depend on softwares and what kind of new uses can be unearthed for new form factor.
1. Apple will NOT turn the iPad into a laptop. That is the Mac's job.
2. Apple LOVES that Microsoft is developing Office 365 for the iPad. The larger iPad would allow better use off Office 365. Easier maintenance, less malware/virus, cost savings over the long term.
3. I asked TIM COOK to develop an iPad Pro with a 14 inch diagonal screen. Why? Because this means it can display an 8.5 x 11 page in TRUE-TO-LIFE SIZE. This allows one to read TEXTBOOKS and MAGAZINES as in real life. The iPad Air's screen is simply too small. It is equivalent in size to a paperback book.
4. If the iPad Pro is light enough, SURE people would prefer to use it over the iPad Air. I certainly would LOVE IT. Since most of the weight is battery weight, then a larger screen means the battery can be made thinner and the total weight would still be the same as the iPad Air, particularly if the screen is also more efficient.
I don't think that what Microsoft is doing with resizable windows is the right way to go. We have windows that work great in OSX. I think that Apple needs to wait that iOS apps work perfectly in a window in any size before creating an iPad Pro.
I've always been critical of "hybrid" products and "convertibles". If I want a laptop, I'll buy one. If I want a tablet, I'll buy one. If I need both, I'll buy both. I don't want both of those to be in one product.
Just add a hypothetical MacCover Air that is a standalone Mac (like a headless MacBook Air) that I can use separately with a thunderbolt display but doubles as a keyboard cover for the iPad.
The MacCover Air could even replace the Mac mini in the lineup.
Then I would have the option of using the large iPad as the display for my MacCover Air. I would be able to bring an iPad and MacBook with me as one unit. And integrate the two otherwise standalone devices with handoff (even show the iPad connected in iTunes when it is serving as a Mac display)
That would be the correct solution to the convertible. Not one device that acts as two but two devices that can MERGE to be one (like Voltron).
When I split the devices I can use the iPad part with iOS and use handoff to pickup where I left off.
Reminds me of the Commodore 64 days. I loved that machine no matter how many peeks and pokes I had to type
Hmm...if it comes with a nicely designed stand and keyboard, some new tricks in IOS 8.2 or 9, who knows, it may just be the ideal replacement desktop for small businesses and users who are not tied-in to Winword and Excel. Easier maintenance, less malware/virus threats and cost savings over the long-term.
I know of a friend who wishes to buy a 12" inch iPad just to read his magazine subscriptions on it. But how many people would prefer to consume media on a heavier 12" versus 5.5" plus, 7.9" mini or 9.7" Air?
At the end of the day, it will all depend on softwares and what kind of new uses can be unearthed for new form factor.
Not "comes with" perhaps, but has as well designed options.
Sure is. Doesn’t make it usable with a touchscreen, though.
I tend to disagree. OS X is mouse+keyboard.
I can’t imagine them ever forcing you to use it at all, but again that’s my take on OS XI.
My point is that touch can exist along side a KB+Mouse with OSX. It's really not that far-fetched, and it would be silly to doubt Apple's powers of execution. I would think by now you wouldn't be so quick to confidently discount these possibilities, when you've been wrong so many times about what Apple might and might not do. If they do it, they'll do it right.
I looked at the Surface Pro 3 and it says that it weighs 1.76 pounds! That is insane, and totally unusable and unacceptable for any tablet.
The weight is just fine, do to my current predicament I barely weigh 54 Kilo (120 lbs) and I can hold the Surface 3 comfortably for a fairly long time. Yes the Surface Pro 3 is best when used on a hard surface, as the rear stand is a adjustable, you can lay it on a table and adjust it with just a slight angle making it idea for drawing or other graphic orientated tasks. All of these negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 are unfounded, it's a fantastic device. The display is bright and crisp, it's fast with plenty of memory, very thin, has a USB 3.0, display port, Mini SD slot. Handles multiple OS's like a dream, I currently have Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (build 9860), Ubuntu 14.10 and OSX (everything works now except WiFi, the hackintosh community is working on a fix but until than I just use a tiny USB dongle that is the same size as a one of those Logitech wireless adapters they have for their their mice and keyboards. I personally use my LTE connection more than WiFi and when I'm home I prefer using the Ethernet dongle. The keyboard is also much, much better than the previous one found on the Surface Pro 2, though I like using my MS Wedge keyboard and mouse combo, even typing on the virtual keyboard is comfortable, I can actually type faster than my iPad Air 2.
So again either those with these types of comments have never actually used a Surface Pro 3, because there is no way you would be saying the things that you are if you actually had or it's like anything else, because it's simply not an Apple device, it must be crap. Microsoft is also doing fairly well now with the Surface Pro 3, regardless if their numbers are no where near that of the iPad. It's a good device guys, please at least use one for an extended period of time before continuing bombarding us with these same negative comments over and over again.
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The iPhone killed off the need for a lot of other devices, because it was able to integrate them all into one device, and do it good.
The Surface is not better than a laptop and it's not better than a tablet, so it fails!
The weight is just fine, do to my current predicament I barely weigh 54 Kilo (120 lbs) and I can hold the Surface 3 comfortably for a fairly long time. Yes the Surface Pro 3 is best when used on a hard surface, as the rear stand is a adjustable, you can lay it on a table and adjust it with just a slight angle making it idea for drawing or other graphic orientated tasks. All of these negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 are unfounded, it's a fantastic device. The display is bright and crisp, it's fast with plenty of memory, very thin, has a USB 3.0, display port, Mini SD slot. Handles multiple OS's like a dream, I currently have Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (build 9860), Ubuntu 14.10 and OSX (everything works now except WiFi, the hackintosh community is working on a fix but until than I just use a tiny USB dongle that is the same size as a one of those Logitech wireless adapters they have for their their mice and keyboards. I personally use my LTE connection more than WiFi and when I'm home I prefer using the Ethernet dongle. The keyboard is also much, much better than the previous one found on the Surface Pro 2, though I like using my MS Wedge keyboard and mouse combo, even typing on the virtual keyboard is comfortable, I can actually type faster than my iPad Air 2.So again either those with these types of comments have never actually used a Surface Pro 3, because there is no way you would be saying the things that you are if you actually had or it's like anything else, because it's simply not an Apple device, it must be crap. Microsoft is also doing fairly well now with the Surface Pro 3, regardless if their numbers are no where near that of the iPad. It's a good device guys, please at least use one for an extended period of time before continuing bombarding us with these same negative comments over and over again.
You're right that I have never used a Surface. I have seen it at Best Buy a few times, so I do know how it looks in person. I'm no fan of Windows, so right there, that is a big negative against the Surface, at least as far as I'm concerned.
You're comparing the Surface keyboard to typing on an iPad, why not compare it to a Macbook Air or Macbook Pro?
If I need to type something long on my iPad, I'll just pair my Apple bluetooth keyboard.
1) PoS (You want something large enough to make a product verification.)
2) Education (I always thing it's odd when something is marketed as being "educational", for whom? For children it would have to be smaller and more durable. For College/University it would have to be no bigger than a textbook (which for 8x11 paper diagonal is about 13.9") with the same aspect ratio of paper. Not sure about Europe in that case)
3) Elderly... just want larger devices period.
But I'm hesitant to suggest that it's necessary unless it's a prelude to some kind of AppleTV/FaceTime FullHD/4K or something like that. The only real benefit you get out of a larger device that has stereo microphones is to use it to record HD/4K like an actual camcorder but, even then the storage on such a device is completely useless when they burn 30GB/hr. I'd love to see a micro SDXC (UHS-II) slot on an iPad Pro for storing pictures/video but I doubt we will see it.
Not so with the new H.264 codec, and the iPhone already can decode that in FaceTime ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding ). Although I don't think gen 1 will make it in terms of making it affordable enough and having the camera equipment and the cpu/gpu to go along for 4k. I think they 'll do a quick gear shift in 7 or so months after iPad pro 1 and come back with all that, when the device is really, really capable. Best wait anyway to get it right.
As for an sd card slot on the iPad pro, it might or might not happen, I tend to side with the latter, but there's some chance, whereas with the normal iPad there really wasn't any. I still don't see a reason for it if you can stick it via lightning and an adapter to get stuff in, and if you can transfer via wifi to a wifi enabled hard drive your footage to save space. Get a say a buffallo 1tb wifi drive, doubling up as a hotspot and router, off of owc or somewhere (I did) and you are good to go, provided there is a service where send to buffalo app means create an alias there and have the drive upload it to it via wifi. Don't know if that's possible so far, I 'll have to test drive it to see.
No it didn't. That was idiots thinking it made a profit. It generated revenue, which was quickly wiped out by the huge marketing costs and other charges. It also sold, at best, 900,000 units.
Just like a laptop wasn't supposed to do a desktop's job?
They aren't even close to doing everything a desktop does.
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Oh really?
Yes, because surfing the internet is far more enjoyable using a small screen (even the 5.5" 6+) over something like a laptop or even a full size desktop monitor.
My point is that touch can exist along side a KB+Mouse with OSX.
And it does. In the form of trackpad gestures. Anything more is an entirely new UX.
I would think by now you wouldn't be so quick to confidently discount these possibilities, when you've been wrong so many times about what Apple might and might not do.
Because this is utter nonsense that goes against their fundamental values and I’ve only ever been wrong about trifles.
Not sure what accounting you're familiar with. Revenue minus costs equals profit/loss. Microsofts costs here are higher than their revenue, so that's a loss...
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I don't buy everything that Apple makes. I sure wish that I had a 12 core Mac Pro.
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As for passing judgement, that is what people do on forums!
I would like a larger iPad, so I am obviously interested in any future Apple iPad, and you can be sure that I'm going to let my voice be heard.
Everybody wants devices that are tailored to their own individual needs and desires.
As for me, this would make for a killer iPad Pro!
(1) 2 A8x chips. Boy would that thing be crazy powerful.
(2) 12.9" display
(3) move the stereo speakers to landscape instead of portrait.
That's about it! That device would be awesome! I don't have any crazy demands or expectations. Keep it simple!
"The entire Surface line is *already* a disaster" Are you Nuts.. Surface Pro 3 is Fantastic!
Try one you will Love it ! I own both iPad and Surface Pro 3.
There's a good market for it:
1) PoS (You want something large enough to make a product verification.)
2) Education (I always thing it's odd when something is marketed as being "educational", for whom? For children it would have to be smaller and more durable. For College/University it would have to be no bigger than a textbook (which for 8x11 paper diagonal is about 13.9") with the same aspect ratio of paper. Not sure about Europe in that case)
3) Elderly... just want larger devices period.
But I'm hesitant to suggest that it's necessary unless it's a prelude to some kind of AppleTV/FaceTime FullHD/4K or something like that. The only real benefit you get out of a larger device that has stereo microphones is to use it to record HD/4K like an actual camcorder but, even then the storage on such a device is completely useless when they burn 30GB/hr. I'd love to see a micro SDXC (UHS-II) slot on an iPad Pro for storing pictures/video but I doubt we will see it.
Hmm...if it comes with a nicely designed stand and keyboard, some new tricks in IOS 8.2 or 9, who knows, it may just be the ideal replacement desktop for small businesses and users who are not tied-in to Winword and Excel. Easier maintenance, less malware/virus threats and cost savings over the long-term.
I know of a friend who wishes to buy a 12" inch iPad just to read his magazine subscriptions on it. But how many people would prefer to consume media on a heavier 12" versus 5.5" plus, 7.9" mini or 9.7" Air?
At the end of the day, it will all depend on softwares and what kind of new uses can be unearthed for new form factor.
1. Apple will NOT turn the iPad into a laptop. That is the Mac's job.
2. Apple LOVES that Microsoft is developing Office 365 for the iPad. The larger iPad would allow better use off Office 365. Easier maintenance, less malware/virus, cost savings over the long term.
3. I asked TIM COOK to develop an iPad Pro with a 14 inch diagonal screen. Why? Because this means it can display an 8.5 x 11 page in TRUE-TO-LIFE SIZE. This allows one to read TEXTBOOKS and MAGAZINES as in real life. The iPad Air's screen is simply too small. It is equivalent in size to a paperback book.
4. If the iPad Pro is light enough, SURE people would prefer to use it over the iPad Air. I certainly would LOVE IT. Since most of the weight is battery weight, then a larger screen means the battery can be made thinner and the total weight would still be the same as the iPad Air, particularly if the screen is also more efficient.
The iPad Air & Air 2 and Surface Pro 3 are two incredible devices.
Was not a fan of the Surface RT .. or Windows 8 RT
The Surface Pro 3 with Full Blown Windows 8.1 on it is very fast and fluid - Rock Solid.
I've always been critical of "hybrid" products and "convertibles". If I want a laptop, I'll buy one. If I want a tablet, I'll buy one. If I need both, I'll buy both. I don't want both of those to be in one product.
Oh really?
Just like a laptop wasn't supposed to do a desktop's job?
Just add a hypothetical MacCover Air that is a standalone Mac (like a headless MacBook Air) that I can use separately with a thunderbolt display but doubles as a keyboard cover for the iPad.
The MacCover Air could even replace the Mac mini in the lineup.
Then I would have the option of using the large iPad as the display for my MacCover Air. I would be able to bring an iPad and MacBook with me as one unit. And integrate the two otherwise standalone devices with handoff (even show the iPad connected in iTunes when it is serving as a Mac display)
That would be the correct solution to the convertible. Not one device that acts as two but two devices that can MERGE to be one (like Voltron).
When I split the devices I can use the iPad part with iOS and use handoff to pickup where I left off.
Reminds me of the Commodore 64 days. I loved that machine no matter how many peeks and pokes I had to type
Give buyers the choice.
Sure is. Doesn’t make it usable with a touchscreen, though.
I tend to disagree. OS X is mouse+keyboard.
I can’t imagine them ever forcing you to use it at all, but again that’s my take on OS XI.
My point is that touch can exist along side a KB+Mouse with OSX. It's really not that far-fetched, and it would be silly to doubt Apple's powers of execution. I would think by now you wouldn't be so quick to confidently discount these possibilities, when you've been wrong so many times about what Apple might and might not do. If they do it, they'll do it right.
I looked at the Surface Pro 3 and it says that it weighs 1.76 pounds! That is insane, and totally unusable and unacceptable for any tablet.
The weight is just fine, do to my current predicament I barely weigh 54 Kilo (120 lbs) and I can hold the Surface 3 comfortably for a fairly long time. Yes the Surface Pro 3 is best when used on a hard surface, as the rear stand is a adjustable, you can lay it on a table and adjust it with just a slight angle making it idea for drawing or other graphic orientated tasks. All of these negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 are unfounded, it's a fantastic device. The display is bright and crisp, it's fast with plenty of memory, very thin, has a USB 3.0, display port, Mini SD slot. Handles multiple OS's like a dream, I currently have Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (build 9860), Ubuntu 14.10 and OSX (everything works now except WiFi, the hackintosh community is working on a fix but until than I just use a tiny USB dongle that is the same size as a one of those Logitech wireless adapters they have for their their mice and keyboards. I personally use my LTE connection more than WiFi and when I'm home I prefer using the Ethernet dongle. The keyboard is also much, much better than the previous one found on the Surface Pro 2, though I like using my MS Wedge keyboard and mouse combo, even typing on the virtual keyboard is comfortable, I can actually type faster than my iPad Air 2.
So again either those with these types of comments have never actually used a Surface Pro 3, because there is no way you would be saying the things that you are if you actually had or it's like anything else, because it's simply not an Apple device, it must be crap. Microsoft is also doing fairly well now with the Surface Pro 3, regardless if their numbers are no where near that of the iPad. It's a good device guys, please at least use one for an extended period of time before continuing bombarding us with these same negative comments over and over again.
Oh really?
How dare you compare the iPhone to something like a Surface, which is a complete joke!
The iPhone killed off the need for a lot of other devices, because it was able to integrate them all into one device, and do it good.
The Surface is not better than a laptop and it's not better than a tablet, so it fails!
The weight is just fine, do to my current predicament I barely weigh 54 Kilo (120 lbs) and I can hold the Surface 3 comfortably for a fairly long time. Yes the Surface Pro 3 is best when used on a hard surface, as the rear stand is a adjustable, you can lay it on a table and adjust it with just a slight angle making it idea for drawing or other graphic orientated tasks. All of these negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 are unfounded, it's a fantastic device. The display is bright and crisp, it's fast with plenty of memory, very thin, has a USB 3.0, display port, Mini SD slot. Handles multiple OS's like a dream, I currently have Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (build 9860), Ubuntu 14.10 and OSX (everything works now except WiFi, the hackintosh community is working on a fix but until than I just use a tiny USB dongle that is the same size as a one of those Logitech wireless adapters they have for their their mice and keyboards. I personally use my LTE connection more than WiFi and when I'm home I prefer using the Ethernet dongle. The keyboard is also much, much better than the previous one found on the Surface Pro 2, though I like using my MS Wedge keyboard and mouse combo, even typing on the virtual keyboard is comfortable, I can actually type faster than my iPad Air 2.So again either those with these types of comments have never actually used a Surface Pro 3, because there is no way you would be saying the things that you are if you actually had or it's like anything else, because it's simply not an Apple device, it must be crap. Microsoft is also doing fairly well now with the Surface Pro 3, regardless if their numbers are no where near that of the iPad. It's a good device guys, please at least use one for an extended period of time before continuing bombarding us with these same negative comments over and over again.
You're right that I have never used a Surface. I have seen it at Best Buy a few times, so I do know how it looks in person. I'm no fan of Windows, so right there, that is a big negative against the Surface, at least as far as I'm concerned.
You're comparing the Surface keyboard to typing on an iPad, why not compare it to a Macbook Air or Macbook Pro?
If I need to type something long on my iPad, I'll just pair my Apple bluetooth keyboard.
There's a good market for it:
1) PoS (You want something large enough to make a product verification.)
2) Education (I always thing it's odd when something is marketed as being "educational", for whom? For children it would have to be smaller and more durable. For College/University it would have to be no bigger than a textbook (which for 8x11 paper diagonal is about 13.9") with the same aspect ratio of paper. Not sure about Europe in that case)
3) Elderly... just want larger devices period.
But I'm hesitant to suggest that it's necessary unless it's a prelude to some kind of AppleTV/FaceTime FullHD/4K or something like that. The only real benefit you get out of a larger device that has stereo microphones is to use it to record HD/4K like an actual camcorder but, even then the storage on such a device is completely useless when they burn 30GB/hr. I'd love to see a micro SDXC (UHS-II) slot on an iPad Pro for storing pictures/video but I doubt we will see it.
Not so with the new H.264 codec, and the iPhone already can decode that in FaceTime ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding ). Although I don't think gen 1 will make it in terms of making it affordable enough and having the camera equipment and the cpu/gpu to go along for 4k. I think they 'll do a quick gear shift in 7 or so months after iPad pro 1 and come back with all that, when the device is really, really capable. Best wait anyway to get it right.
As for an sd card slot on the iPad pro, it might or might not happen, I tend to side with the latter, but there's some chance, whereas with the normal iPad there really wasn't any. I still don't see a reason for it if you can stick it via lightning and an adapter to get stuff in, and if you can transfer via wifi to a wifi enabled hard drive your footage to save space. Get a say a buffallo 1tb wifi drive, doubling up as a hotspot and router, off of owc or somewhere (I did) and you are good to go, provided there is a service where send to buffalo app means create an alias there and have the drive upload it to it via wifi. Don't know if that's possible so far, I 'll have to test drive it to see.
No it didn't. That was idiots thinking it made a profit. It generated revenue, which was quickly wiped out by the huge marketing costs and other charges. It also sold, at best, 900,000 units.
Call it what you may...
In accounting it is called a profit.
Furthermore... I don't give a shit.
Just like a laptop wasn't supposed to do a desktop's job?
They aren't even close to doing everything a desktop does.
Oh really?
Yes, because surfing the internet is far more enjoyable using a small screen (even the 5.5" 6+) over something like a laptop or even a full size desktop monitor.
You're outdoing yourself this week with stupid comments.
My point is that touch can exist along side a KB+Mouse with OSX.
And it does. In the form of trackpad gestures. Anything more is an entirely new UX.
Because this is utter nonsense that goes against their fundamental values and I’ve only ever been wrong about trifles.
Not sure what accounting you're familiar with. Revenue minus costs equals profit/loss. Microsofts costs here are higher than their revenue, so that's a loss...