Very interesting perspective indeed. That's another very much overlooked factor, and I 've not heard that so far by anyone.
The iPhone 5 series was too tall, using the screen in landscape felt claustrophobic to me when I used someone else's. The jump to 4.7" from 3.5" made more sense, IMO.
How in the world would we know when Apple will never disclose sales figures for each model. The only clue we might get is when they disclose ASPs on the next earnings call.
it's too hard to make any conclusions because we don't know what the supply was of each device. Some people who own the 6 plus initially thought it was too big but now would never go back to anything smaller. And there are others like John Gruber who would never own a 6 Plus and even think the 6 is too big.
Are you talking about me? Yep, I returned my first Gold iPhone 6+ because it's too big and I almost dropped a few times. Then I went back to my 5S and I couldn't stand its size...felt like a midget's phone, so I again ordered a space grey 6+ and never look back.
How in the world would we know when Apple will never disclose sales figures for each model. The only clue we might get is when they disclose ASPs on the next earnings call.
By my rough estimates I'm guessing about an $124 increase in the ASP based on: the popularity of the mid-range model over the entry-level due to a jump of 48GB over 16GB for $100 ? the popularity of the iPhone 6 Plus ? the drop in some highest-capacity models as those that had 64GB previously find the mid-range capacity is now more than adequate.
As stated above, but worth repeating, one of the reasons that the 6plus numbers aren't higher is that the 6plus is MUCH harder to find to purchase. The SUPPLY isn't there.
TOTALLY agree with you! People wanting an upgrade just aren't going to wait 6 weeks, so I think many are "settling" for the 4.7" iPhone 6.
I had to wait a couple of weeks to get a 6 plus, but that's what I wanted, so I did. So what?
Anyone putting a gun to peoples' heads, that I am not aware of, saying you should buy a new phone right now or if you do wait a week or two to get one we 'll be sending someone over to break your legs, or something?
The numbers speak for themselves, and there is no way around that. Actually a lot of people want a smaller phone than the 6 and you witness that here and in other forums.
I too don't believe that people couldn't wait for 6+ and end up with 6. I'm not sure if this study is reliable. I thought the number was close to 50/50. I was at Apple store sometimes to check on stock, and the guy always announced there was no 6+ in stock, then almost half of the line left...They said they sell every iPhone 6+ in stock immediately. Now, that's speaking on T-mobile, AT&T or unlocked units. Sprint and Verizon iPhone 6+ are available most of the times.
TOTALLY agree with you! People wanting an upgrade just aren't going to wait 6 weeks, so I think many are "settling" for the 4.7" iPhone 6.
6 weeks? Where is that number coming from? I ordered iPhone 6+ twice and they were shipped within 2-3 weeks. I'm talking about in US unless you think I'm luckier than others in the States...doubt it.
You sound like I want a BMW 5 series and the dealer needs to order it, so I settle with 3 series...that claim totally BS.
I look forward to buying a 3.5"-4.5" iPhone 6s next year.
Ditto. As my 5S is a only a year old it's form factor still feels relatively fresh to me. Also I'm not losing sleep not making purchases with my phone either.
By that logic, the Mac Pro is a flop because the iMac outsells it. The MacBook Pro is a flop because the MacBook Air outsells it. The Lincoln Navigator is a flop because the Ford Expedition outsells it.
Isn't that more than twice the percentage predicted on the 6 Plus? I remember guesses of 5%, 10%, 15% at most. Almost 25% seems pretty good for a 'niche product.'
Also, Apple is still catching up on demand. Search Twitter for 'iPhone 6 Plus' and you come up with new owners receiving theirs more and more.
Do you have an argument as to why they will make a smaller display on a device this already smaller and lighter than iPhones with 3.5" displays?
I think you missed the crux of his comment. The iPhone 6 is both smaller and lighter than most of the 3.5" iPhones before it. The same goes for the 4" iPhones over the 3.5" models. Having a larger footprint is irrelevant in terms of usability in and of itself, unless you think the iPhone 5 being considerably taller compared to the slight reduction in width resulting in a larger footprint was a problem over the iPhone 4S.
Soli, it's only "smaller" in thickness, which hardly makes it feel smaller in the hand or more reachabe than the 3.5" iPhone. Trying to use total volume as the determination of smaller is a bit bogus IMHO. The new phones are plainly NOT smaller is use.
These numbers (if true) are more about availability than anything else. Apple is selling every phone they can make, so sales percentages just reflect manufacturing capacities. And I like my 6, but if I could have paid $100 more for a smaller screen and form factor, I definitely would have. I really hope they make the 7 available in a size conducive to one-handed operation.
I had to wait a couple of weeks to get a 6 plus, but that's what I wanted, so I did. So what?
Anyone putting a gun to peoples' heads, that I am not aware of, saying you should buy a new phone right now or if you do wait a week or two to get one we 'll be sending someone over to break your legs, or something?
The numbers speak for themselves, and there is no way around that. Actually a lot of people want a smaller phone than the 6 and you witness that here and in other forums.
Sure, for those willing to wait, but that implies the customer knows exactly what they want. In my experience, the customer is stupid. I can definitely make an argument for someone wanting the iPhone 6 Plus but upon seeing how much larger the screen on the iPhone 6 compared to their current iPhone -and- wanting something now they might say it's good enough. There is always next year to step up to a larger capacity.
If you don't believe in the impetuousness and irrationality of the customer consider the original iPhone launch. There was one style, one colour, and one carrier with two capacities, 4GB and 8GB, with a $100 difference which was then a smaller percentage of the overall price due to the unfortunately short-lived profit-sharing model. The 8GB model were the most popular but when those sold out people bought the 4GB model. When Apple killed the 4GB model just a couple months later since it was clear people wanted at least 8GB — amazing how 8GB still lives today — people complained about the 4GB purchase they chose to make. I think there may have been lawsuits.
Soli, it's only "smaller" in thickness, which hardly makes it feel smaller in the hand or more reachabe than the 3.5" iPhone. Trying to use total volume as the determination of smaller is a bit bogus IMHO. The new phones are plainly NOT smaller is use.
Thinness makes a difference, things become more reachable. I really haven't noticed a serious compromise in one-handed use with the 6, and I rarely use Reachability. I just changed the way I held the phone slightly. If you had a 4.7" phone that was as thick as the original iPhone, it'd be a serious brick and hard to use.
Soli, it's only "smaller" in thickness, which hardly makes it feel smaller in the hand or more reachabe than the 3.5" iPhone. Trying to use total volume as the determination of smaller is a bit bogus IMHO. The new phones are plainly NOT smaller is use.
It's thinner, the display is closer to the edge, it's lighter, the curved casing and glass increase the usability over what would have been possibly years earlier with that size display.
It's all about the thenar space created by the advanced design, not about some myopic definition about the display size.
Which is lighter? A 12" or 42" television? Seems obvious, but what if I say the 12" is a black-and-white set in mahogany box from the 1940s, and the 42" set is a LED-backliit panel made in 2014? Display size means shit if you don't consider the device itself.
Thinness makes a difference, things become more reachable. I really haven't noticed a serious compromise in one-handed use with the 6, and I rarely use Reachability. I just changed the way I held the phone slightly. If you had a 4.7" phone that was as thick as the original iPhone, it'd be a serious brick and hard to use.
Then since you've had to adjust the way you hold it and compromise at least somewhat for one-handed use it's not really smaller than the old 3.5 and 4" iPhones.
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I got a 6 Plus because I wanted the extra battery life and the OIS camera
I'd have rather sacrificed 1mm of thickness for the battery life and OIS in a normal 6 than get a 6 plus
The 6 Plus is very nice, but it's a bit unwieldy even in my fairly large hands
The iPhone 5 series was too tall, using the screen in landscape felt claustrophobic to me when I used someone else's. The jump to 4.7" from 3.5" made more sense, IMO.
What a surprise: the iP6+ is a flop.
What a surprise: the iP6+ is a flop.
How in the world would we know when Apple will never disclose sales figures for each model. The only clue we might get is when they disclose ASPs on the next earnings call.
it's too hard to make any conclusions because we don't know what the supply was of each device. Some people who own the 6 plus initially thought it was too big but now would never go back to anything smaller. And there are others like John Gruber who would never own a 6 Plus and even think the 6 is too big.
Are you talking about me? Yep, I returned my first Gold iPhone 6+ because it's too big and I almost dropped a few times. Then I went back to my 5S and I couldn't stand its size...felt like a midget's phone, so I again ordered a space grey 6+ and never look back.
By my rough estimates I'm guessing about an $124 increase in the ASP based on: the popularity of the mid-range model over the entry-level due to a jump of 48GB over 16GB for $100 ? the popularity of the iPhone 6 Plus ? the drop in some highest-capacity models as those that had 64GB previously find the mid-range capacity is now more than adequate.
Well it is a Samsung clone afterall is said and done.
As stated above, but worth repeating, one of the reasons that the 6plus numbers aren't higher is that the 6plus is MUCH harder to find to purchase. The SUPPLY isn't there.
TOTALLY agree with you! People wanting an upgrade just aren't going to wait 6 weeks, so I think many are "settling" for the 4.7" iPhone 6.
That's really such a rubbish argument.
I had to wait a couple of weeks to get a 6 plus, but that's what I wanted, so I did. So what?
Anyone putting a gun to peoples' heads, that I am not aware of, saying you should buy a new phone right now or if you do wait a week or two to get one we 'll be sending someone over to break your legs, or something?
The numbers speak for themselves, and there is no way around that. Actually a lot of people want a smaller phone than the 6 and you witness that here and in other forums.
I too don't believe that people couldn't wait for 6+ and end up with 6. I'm not sure if this study is reliable. I thought the number was close to 50/50. I was at Apple store sometimes to check on stock, and the guy always announced there was no 6+ in stock, then almost half of the line left...They said they sell every iPhone 6+ in stock immediately. Now, that's speaking on T-mobile, AT&T or unlocked units. Sprint and Verizon iPhone 6+ are available most of the times.
TOTALLY agree with you! People wanting an upgrade just aren't going to wait 6 weeks, so I think many are "settling" for the 4.7" iPhone 6.
6 weeks? Where is that number coming from? I ordered iPhone 6+ twice and they were shipped within 2-3 weeks. I'm talking about in US unless you think I'm luckier than others in the States...doubt it.
You sound like I want a BMW 5 series and the dealer needs to order it, so I settle with 3 series...that claim totally BS.
Ditto. As my 5S is a only a year old it's form factor still feels relatively fresh to me. Also I'm not losing sleep not making purchases with my phone either.
What a surprise: the iP6+ is a flop.
By that logic, the Mac Pro is a flop because the iMac outsells it. The MacBook Pro is a flop because the MacBook Air outsells it. The Lincoln Navigator is a flop because the Ford Expedition outsells it.
You're not really a lawyer, are you?
Isn't that more than twice the percentage predicted on the 6 Plus? I remember guesses of 5%, 10%, 15% at most. Almost 25% seems pretty good for a 'niche product.'
Also, Apple is still catching up on demand. Search Twitter for 'iPhone 6 Plus' and you come up with new owners receiving theirs more and more.
Soli, it's only "smaller" in thickness, which hardly makes it feel smaller in the hand or more reachabe than the 3.5" iPhone. Trying to use total volume as the determination of smaller is a bit bogus IMHO. The new phones are plainly NOT smaller is use.
Sure, for those willing to wait, but that implies the customer knows exactly what they want. In my experience, the customer is stupid. I can definitely make an argument for someone wanting the iPhone 6 Plus but upon seeing how much larger the screen on the iPhone 6 compared to their current iPhone -and- wanting something now they might say it's good enough. There is always next year to step up to a larger capacity.
If you don't believe in the impetuousness and irrationality of the customer consider the original iPhone launch. There was one style, one colour, and one carrier with two capacities, 4GB and 8GB, with a $100 difference which was then a smaller percentage of the overall price due to the unfortunately short-lived profit-sharing model. The 8GB model were the most popular but when those sold out people bought the 4GB model. When Apple killed the 4GB model just a couple months later since it was clear people wanted at least 8GB — amazing how 8GB still lives today — people complained about the 4GB purchase they chose to make. I think there may have been lawsuits.
Soli, it's only "smaller" in thickness, which hardly makes it feel smaller in the hand or more reachabe than the 3.5" iPhone. Trying to use total volume as the determination of smaller is a bit bogus IMHO. The new phones are plainly NOT smaller is use.
Thinness makes a difference, things become more reachable. I really haven't noticed a serious compromise in one-handed use with the 6, and I rarely use Reachability. I just changed the way I held the phone slightly. If you had a 4.7" phone that was as thick as the original iPhone, it'd be a serious brick and hard to use.
It's thinner, the display is closer to the edge, it's lighter, the curved casing and glass increase the usability over what would have been possibly years earlier with that size display.
It's all about the thenar space created by the advanced design, not about some myopic definition about the display size.
Which is lighter? A 12" or 42" television? Seems obvious, but what if I say the 12" is a black-and-white set in mahogany box from the 1940s, and the 42" set is a LED-backliit panel made in 2014? Display size means shit if you don't consider the device itself.