Amen. Apple, bring on additional input options! Bring on mouse support!
There is but you'll have to Jail Break the device to gain it. I actually never understood why Apple didn't just simply leave support for the mouse for the iPad in, we know the iPad's main navigational and input method is the finger, there was no additional conditioning that needed to be done to get this point across.
The Duet app for the iPad allows you to USB connect the iPad as a Mac additional display -- works with the mouse and some touch ...
I do not want Apple to compromise on the ergonomics of the stylus, just to make it fit inside their ultra slim iPad Pro.
The main purpose of a stylus for creatives is to draw, not to chuck it away in their iPad. It is not a gimmick for us. The stylus needs to have substance and feel balanced in the hand. I'd be very happy to carry my stylus around in a separate stylus case.
It's not like you couldn't still use your better designed, economical Stylus, having one built in just means that you will always have access to it, if you forget the other, loose the other because it's a loose peripheral, just need one quickly to jot down an idea free hand, etc. I use the small one that's in my ThinkPad almost exclusively with OneNote, saves from hunting down my primary which is a real nice Bamboo Pro Pen with carrying case that I use with PhotoShop and SketchBook Pro.
It's not like you couldn't still use your better designed, economical Stylus, having one built in just means that you will always have access to it, if you forget the other, loose the other because it's a loose peripheral, just need one quickly to jot down an idea free hand, etc. I use the small one that's in my ThinkPad almost exclusively with OneNote, saves from hunting down my primary which is a real nice Bamboo Pro Pen with carrying case that I use with PhotoShop and SketchBook Pro.
A few of my reasons for neither wanting nor expecting Apple to include a "stylus hole" in an iPad are:
It's ugly (more of an Apple reason than mine)
It means you expect Apple to include the stylus.
3rd-parties are limited to following Apple's design or you end up with one that won't fit anyway.
3rd-parties might feel that if Apple includes one in a "stylus hole" there market could be too low for creating interesting too features and ideas for styluses
If you are a user that needs one for some niche application then you should be able to then buy any one of a number of styluses, with varying features, perhaps even a real pen or a laser pointer built in. If this is something you need to use a lot I could see cases, which seem common with the iPads I see in public with a holder for the stylus built in.
I'm pretty sure SN's statement does apply to dasanman69, at least indirectly. If not getting joy from believing Apple to be hypocritical, dasanman69 seems to at least be enjoying how people are defending Steve's statement. (Tell me I'm wrong dasanman69). He denies being a troll, but he's always prodding the hornet's nest. Just because his prodding is subtle does not mean it's not there. Not only that, he gloats about being superior* (in his mind) as he instigates other posters with his ambiguous statements. He even conceded that "there's a really quick way to end the argument," but that didn't stop him from posting about the same thing a dozen times.
*See previous comment insulting others' intelligence ("there's plenty of people here without a brain").
Edit: Of course, after I go through the trouble of putting this post together, he just flat out admits it: "I get a little joy pissing off a few people." Sad.
He not only gets a little joy, I think he gets paid, but that's just me. Anyway, he is responsible for no less than 10 per cent of the posts in this thread.
There is but you'll have to Jail Break the device to gain it. I actually never understood why Apple didn't just simply leave support for the mouse for the iPad in, we know the iPad's main navigational and input method is the finger, there was no additional conditioning that needed to be done to get this point across.
Because the vast majority of users wouldn't use a mouse on the iPad.
He not only gets a little joy, I think he gets paid, but that's just me. Anyway, he is responsible for no less than 10 per cent of the posts in this thread.
1) If we're going to lambaste people for their participation within a thread then I'm fucked.
Small business needs a way to accurately, quietly enter numbers & small amounts of specific data onto forms on the move. Typing just isn't meeting that very large Enterprise need. Using your finger only lets you select choices - not enter a sales figure or an inventory # & oh so much more. It's a massively bigger market than drawing. With Blue Tooth input from the stylus, no screen change in design is needed. Oh, & students are desperate for precise writing/note taking that gets converted to text.
1) If we're going to lambaste people for their participation within a thread then I'm fucked.
2) He posts a lot of great stuff, too.
Depends on the intent, not the quantity. You post a lot of great stuff. He posts a moderate amount of good stuff, enough to get him under the radar of some Panglossian types and other good-natured people such as yourself. My radar is tweaked for the layers under the skin of posters such as him. Maybe I've spent too much time around con men and other questionable characters. Twenty-five years in a place like the old pre-yuppie Echo Park will do that to you, if you keep your eyes open.
I'm pretty sure SN's statement does apply to dasanman69, at least indirectly. If not getting joy from believing Apple to be hypocritical, dasanman69 seems to at least be enjoying how people are defending Steve's statement. (Tell me I'm wrong dasanman69). He denies being a troll, but he's always prodding the hornet's nest. Just because his prodding is subtle does not mean it's not there. Not only that, he gloats about being superior* (in his mind) as he instigates other posters with his ambiguous statements. He even conceded that "there's a really quick way to end the argument," but that didn't stop him from posting about the same thing a dozen times.
*See previous comment insulting others' intelligence ("there's plenty of people here without a brain").
Edit: Of course, after I go through the trouble of putting this post together, he just flat out admits it: "I get a little joy pissing off a few people." Sad.
I don’t recall insulting anyone's intelligence, and I'll say again the an entire company can't be hypocritical. On the rare occasion I've gotten a poster to say something along the lines of 'SJ was right about many things, but in this instance he wasn't', and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being wrong. He was human as are you, and I, and we're prone to be mistaken.
It wasn't my intention to draw the ire of so many, and my comment is trollish only if you perceive it be. I did, however find it comical how many different interpretations was given for a little quote spoken in plain English. Btw the only hypocrites are those that used the same quote to mock the competition, and now claims it means something else when Apple decides to do it.
Depends on the intent, not the quantity. You post a lot of great stuff. He posts a moderate amount of good stuff, enough to get him under the radar of some Panglossian types and other good-natured people such as yourself. My radar is tweaked for the layers under the skin of posters such as him. Maybe I've spent too much time around con men and other questionable characters. Twenty-five years in a place like the old pre-yuppie Echo Park will do that to you, if you keep your eyes open.
Not that it means anything to you or anyone else, but he is in my Top 10 of people I enjoy reading and interacting with on this forum,
That's exactly what the article says. Optional. Doesn't come with device. Most people not expected to use it.
About as radical as new ear phones not bundled with the device.
Well, in this case the thread should be closed - because this news is as relevant as the launch of the iPod Socks.
Otherwise, why would anyone care if Apple is releasing its own separate, optional stylus when dozens of them already exist in the market? To see the little Apple logo on it? Bollocks.
Well, in this case the thread should be closed - because this news is as relevant as the launch of the iPod Socks.
Otherwise, why would anyone care if Apple is releasing its own separate, optional stylus when dozens of them already exist in the market? To see the little Apple logo on it? Bollocks.
The article reported what it reported. Which was.
Kou believes that most users likely won't need a stylus initially, prompting Apple to launch the device as an optional add-on, rather than including it alongside the jumbo iPad.
The ability of certain posters - do take this personally if applicable - to garner evidence of Apples ultimate demise from such a definite statement of how Apple may release an optional accessory, well that's a matter of how certain posters react to article content than a commentary on the article.
1) If we're going to lambaste people for their participation within a thread then I'm fucked.
2) He posts a lot of great stuff, too.
Depends on the intent, not the quantity. You post a lot of great stuff. He posts a moderate amount of good stuff, enough to get him under the radar of some Panglossian types and other good-natured people such as yourself. My radar is tweaked for the layers under the skin of posters such as him. Maybe I've spent too much time around con men and other questionable characters. Twenty-five years in a place like the old pre-yuppie Echo Park will do that to you, if you keep your eyes open.
My God! I never knew Echo Park -- had to look it up.
I grew up in Pasadena, worked in downtown LA, 8th and Main, 1st and Vermont; lived in MacArthur Park area, the Wilshire District, attended hundreds of weeks of classes and debugging sessions at the Data Center in the then IBM Bldg, next to the then Ambassador hotel. Dated girls in Glendale, lots of visits to Hollywood ...
But, I don't recall ever going to the Echo Park area -- though I lived, worked and played all around it.
I am not a racist, nor an ethnicist ... but enjoy a clever line ... I am of mixed descent - German, Dutch, Romanian (Jewish), married a Croatian ... so permit me to repeat this short line, apologies in advance. no offense intended:
A Jewish man married a Mexican woman ... Their first son was named Chavez Levine ...
Kou believes that most users likely won't need a stylus initially, prompting Apple to launch the device as an optional add-on, rather than including it alongside the jumbo iPad.
The ability of certain posters - do take this personally if applicable - to garner evidence of Apples ultimate demise from such a definite statement of how Apple may release an optional accessory, well that's a matter of how certain posters react to article content than a commentary on the article.
Worry not, I am not supposed to take such trivial stuff personally - I am a lawyer after all.
In any case, let me emphasize this point: in so far as Apple's rumored "stylus" is simply an optional device, this is really non-news and/or as relevant as the iPod Socks. However, Kuo's comment clearly seems to give the impression that, without such a stylus, people will NOT be able to get the optimal/ideal experience out of the alleged iPad Pro; and if the latter is true, that's where the big problem lies.
So let's hope the optional stylus is just that: a merely discretionary, overpriced thing to be bought from Mr Cook. Otherwise, the gnashing of teeth will (deservedly) continue around here - because a de facto required stylus will make as little sense as the other request floated here for "mouse support" on the iPad.
I don’t recall insulting anyone's intelligence, and I'll say again the an entire company can't be hypocritical. On the rare occasion I've gotten a poster to say something along the lines of 'SJ was right about many things, but in this instance he wasn't', and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being wrong. He was human as are you, and I, and we're prone to be mistaken.
As the old saying goes: "The boss (SJ) isn't always right -- but he's never wrong!
But SJ was often wrong -- to be honest, most of us are often wrong.
I think we [can] learn more from our mistakes than from our successes.
I never witnessed it, but I've heard it reported several times: That SJ, when wrong and challenged -- would flip sides in an instance ... Boom!
That's exactly what the article says. Optional. Doesn't come with device. Most people not expected to use it.
About as radical as new ear phones not bundled with the device.
Well, in this case the thread should be closed - because this news is as relevant as the launch of the iPod Socks.
Otherwise, why would anyone care if Apple is releasing its own separate, optional stylus when dozens of them already exist in the market? To see the little Apple logo on it? Bollocks.
I care a lot ... As an Apple customer and AAPL shareholder.
There are Pro markets out there that can be addressed with a high-quality, high-performance stylus. IMO, those markets can be best-addressed with an integrated hardware and system software solution from Apple.
The IBM/Apple partnership has the potential to market Apple solutions directly to enterprise. Take medical imaging/analysis, for example -- where medical specialists are collectively analyzing and annotating high-resolution images ... They have even used iPads in the OR.
Or management, with staff, in the conference room seeing a preso made on large-screen, very high-definition displays ... while the presenters use an iPad to display slides, videos, live charts and spreadsheets ... and they, and other viewers can modify/annotate them -- interacting in real-time -- using an iPad with a stylus.
My last years at IBM (1973-1980) were at the Palo Alto Systems Center for Database Data Communication. One of our major responsibilities was to present IBM solutions to vp-level executives of major corporations like: Sears, Kraft, Boing, [then] Bell Telephone ...
We had special custom-designed presentation rooms with [then revolutionary] magnetic whiteboards, special sound systems and special fabric stickey walls where the presenter would interact with with the audience -- ad hoc composing on an pad of flip charts on an easel -- then tear a page off, slap it on the wall ... then continue with the next one ...
It was amazing how effective this style of presentation is ... That's why IBM was willing to pay the big bucks to do it (our group had over 250 top-level IBM expert employees).
We, would have killed for the large-screen / interactive iPad preso capability I described earlier.
As an aside, we [IBM presenters} would often get feedback from the attendees. Most were quite pleased with what was presented -- and how it was presented. In fact several attendees reported back that they adapted the preso style within their companies.
Finally, the stylus is a pretty basic, non-descript tool ... but, then, so is the lever
The Apple Pen will be announced sometime late this year. It will be sold for $200 and be able to pair with any Apple device. The functions will depend on the device to which it is connected.
When synced with an iPhone or iPad, it will serve as an interactive stylus, with the ability to draw, control the UI via contact or 3D gestures and the clickable Home Button on the top can be used as a remote camera shutter or to measure your heart rate.
When paired with a Mac or MacBook, it will serve as a handwriting/drawing input device, with the ability to write on any surface and transmit the strokes via Bluetooth technology to your device. The Home Button will be able to perform a variety of tasks depending on which apps you have open, but will notably have uses as a presentation clicker, a Touch ID fingerprint scanner and a way to remotely power on/off your computer by pressing and holding the button
When connected to an Apple TV, it will serve as a "wand" for 3D gesture control and the Home Button will be used to change channels
My God! I never knew Echo Park -- had to look it up.
I grew up in Pasadena, worked in downtown LA, 8th and Main, 1st and Vermont; lived in MacArthur Park area, the Wilshire District, attended hundreds of weeks of classes and debugging sessions at the Data Center in the then IBM Bldg, next to the then Ambassador hotel. Dated girls in Glendale, lots of visits to Hollywood ...
But, I don't recall ever going to the Echo Park area -- though I lived, worked and played all around it.
I am not a racist, nor an ethnicist ... but enjoy a clever line ... I am of mixed descent - German, Dutch, Romanian (Jewish), married a Croatian ... so permit me to repeat this short line, apologies in advance. no offense intended:
A Jewish man married a Mexican woman ... Their first son was named Chavez Levine ...
Very funny. Don't think either ethnic would mind.
But you must have taken Glendale Blvd. past Aimee Semple Macpherson's Angeles Temple to get to Glendale, unless you took Alvarado, which joined Glendale at the Edendale post office, just before the Sennet studios. (I lived two blocks to the east of right there, in a damp little canyon with goats and chickens as neighbors.)
Anyway, you had to go through Echo Park to get to Glendale. The Temple was on the north side of the lake.
I met the first Macintosh pioneer professor at Cal Arts through friends in Echo Park. The very Bohemian heights used to be called "Red Hill" after all the Jewish lefties who moved out of Boyle Heights and into EP after the East LA transformation into Los Lobos/Cheech and Chong territority. So your joke has historical merit.
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The Duet app for the iPad allows you to USB connect the iPad as a Mac additional display -- works with the mouse and some touch ...
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I do not want Apple to compromise on the ergonomics of the stylus, just to make it fit inside their ultra slim iPad Pro.
The main purpose of a stylus for creatives is to draw, not to chuck it away in their iPad. It is not a gimmick for us. The stylus needs to have substance and feel balanced in the hand. I'd be very happy to carry my stylus around in a separate stylus case.
It's not like you couldn't still use your better designed, economical Stylus, having one built in just means that you will always have access to it, if you forget the other, loose the other because it's a loose peripheral, just need one quickly to jot down an idea free hand, etc. I use the small one that's in my ThinkPad almost exclusively with OneNote, saves from hunting down my primary which is a real nice Bamboo Pro Pen with carrying case that I use with PhotoShop and SketchBook Pro.
A few of my reasons for neither wanting nor expecting Apple to include a "stylus hole" in an iPad are:
If you are a user that needs one for some niche application then you should be able to then buy any one of a number of styluses, with varying features, perhaps even a real pen or a laser pointer built in. If this is something you need to use a lot I could see cases, which seem common with the iPads I see in public with a holder for the stylus built in.
He not only gets a little joy, I think he gets paid, but that's just me. Anyway, he is responsible for no less than 10 per cent of the posts in this thread.
Because the vast majority of users wouldn't use a mouse on the iPad.
Glad to see you're still posting, Relic.
1) If we're going to lambaste people for their participation within a thread then I'm fucked.
2) He posts a lot of great stuff, too.
Oh, & students are desperate for precise writing/note taking that gets converted to text.
Depends on the intent, not the quantity. You post a lot of great stuff. He posts a moderate amount of good stuff, enough to get him under the radar of some Panglossian types and other good-natured people such as yourself. My radar is tweaked for the layers under the skin of posters such as him. Maybe I've spent too much time around con men and other questionable characters. Twenty-five years in a place like the old pre-yuppie Echo Park will do that to you, if you keep your eyes open.
I don’t recall insulting anyone's intelligence, and I'll say again the an entire company can't be hypocritical. On the rare occasion I've gotten a poster to say something along the lines of 'SJ was right about many things, but in this instance he wasn't', and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being wrong. He was human as are you, and I, and we're prone to be mistaken.
It wasn't my intention to draw the ire of so many, and my comment is trollish only if you perceive it be. I did, however find it comical how many different interpretations was given for a little quote spoken in plain English. Btw the only hypocrites are those that used the same quote to mock the competition, and now claims it means something else when Apple decides to do it.
Not that it means anything to you or anyone else, but he is in my Top 10 of people I enjoy reading and interacting with on this forum,
That's exactly what the article says. Optional. Doesn't come with device. Most people not expected to use it.
About as radical as new ear phones not bundled with the device.
Well, in this case the thread should be closed - because this news is as relevant as the launch of the iPod Socks.
Otherwise, why would anyone care if Apple is releasing its own separate, optional stylus when dozens of them already exist in the market? To see the little Apple logo on it? Bollocks.
Amen. Apple, bring on additional input options! Bring on mouse support!
Mouse support to what? The iPad? Gosh, then I will conclude that Tim Cook has really gone all the way to the bottom of the barrel.
The article reported what it reported. Which was.
Kou believes that most users likely won't need a stylus initially, prompting Apple to launch the device as an optional add-on, rather than including it alongside the jumbo iPad.
The ability of certain posters - do take this personally if applicable - to garner evidence of Apples ultimate demise from such a definite statement of how Apple may release an optional accessory, well that's a matter of how certain posters react to article content than a commentary on the article.
My God! I never knew Echo Park -- had to look it up.
I grew up in Pasadena, worked in downtown LA, 8th and Main, 1st and Vermont; lived in MacArthur Park area, the Wilshire District, attended hundreds of weeks of classes and debugging sessions at the Data Center in the then IBM Bldg, next to the then Ambassador hotel. Dated girls in Glendale, lots of visits to Hollywood ...
But, I don't recall ever going to the Echo Park area -- though I lived, worked and played all around it.
I am not a racist, nor an ethnicist ... but enjoy a clever line ... I am of mixed descent - German, Dutch, Romanian (Jewish), married a Croatian ... so permit me to repeat this short line, apologies in advance. no offense intended:
A Jewish man married a Mexican woman ... Their first son was named Chavez Levine ...
The article reported what it reported. Which was.
Kou believes that most users likely won't need a stylus initially, prompting Apple to launch the device as an optional add-on, rather than including it alongside the jumbo iPad.
The ability of certain posters - do take this personally if applicable - to garner evidence of Apples ultimate demise from such a definite statement of how Apple may release an optional accessory, well that's a matter of how certain posters react to article content than a commentary on the article.
Worry not, I am not supposed to take such trivial stuff personally - I am a lawyer after all.
In any case, let me emphasize this point: in so far as Apple's rumored "stylus" is simply an optional device, this is really non-news and/or as relevant as the iPod Socks. However, Kuo's comment clearly seems to give the impression that, without such a stylus, people will NOT be able to get the optimal/ideal experience out of the alleged iPad Pro; and if the latter is true, that's where the big problem lies.
So let's hope the optional stylus is just that: a merely discretionary, overpriced thing to be bought from Mr Cook. Otherwise, the gnashing of teeth will (deservedly) continue around here - because a de facto required stylus will make as little sense as the other request floated here for "mouse support" on the iPad.
As the old saying goes: "The boss (SJ) isn't always right -- but he's never wrong!
But SJ was often wrong -- to be honest, most of us are often wrong.
I think we [can] learn more from our mistakes than from our successes.
I never witnessed it, but I've heard it reported several times: That SJ, when wrong and challenged -- would flip sides in an instance ... Boom!
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
I've done my fair share of flipping sides, so I definitely understand that.
I care a lot ... As an Apple customer and AAPL shareholder.
There are Pro markets out there that can be addressed with a high-quality, high-performance stylus. IMO, those markets can be best-addressed with an integrated hardware and system software solution from Apple.
The IBM/Apple partnership has the potential to market Apple solutions directly to enterprise. Take medical imaging/analysis, for example -- where medical specialists are collectively analyzing and annotating high-resolution images ... They have even used iPads in the OR.
Or management, with staff, in the conference room seeing a preso made on large-screen, very high-definition displays ... while the presenters use an iPad to display slides, videos, live charts and spreadsheets ... and they, and other viewers can modify/annotate them -- interacting in real-time -- using an iPad with a stylus.
My last years at IBM (1973-1980) were at the Palo Alto Systems Center for Database Data Communication. One of our major responsibilities was to present IBM solutions to vp-level executives of major corporations like: Sears, Kraft, Boing, [then] Bell Telephone ...
We had special custom-designed presentation rooms with [then revolutionary] magnetic whiteboards, special sound systems and special fabric stickey walls where the presenter would interact with with the audience -- ad hoc composing on an pad of flip charts on an easel -- then tear a page off, slap it on the wall ... then continue with the next one ...
It was amazing how effective this style of presentation is ... That's why IBM was willing to pay the big bucks to do it (our group had over 250 top-level IBM expert employees).
We, would have killed for the large-screen / interactive iPad preso capability I described earlier.
As an aside, we [IBM presenters} would often get feedback from the attendees. Most were quite pleased with what was presented -- and how it was presented. In fact several attendees reported back that they adapted the preso style within their companies.
Finally, the stylus is a pretty basic, non-descript tool ... but, then, so is the lever
Prediction:
The Apple Pen will be announced sometime late this year. It will be sold for $200 and be able to pair with any Apple device. The functions will depend on the device to which it is connected.
When synced with an iPhone or iPad, it will serve as an interactive stylus, with the ability to draw, control the UI via contact or 3D gestures and the clickable Home Button on the top can be used as a remote camera shutter or to measure your heart rate.
When paired with a Mac or MacBook, it will serve as a handwriting/drawing input device, with the ability to write on any surface and transmit the strokes via Bluetooth technology to your device. The Home Button will be able to perform a variety of tasks depending on which apps you have open, but will notably have uses as a presentation clicker, a Touch ID fingerprint scanner and a way to remotely power on/off your computer by pressing and holding the button
When connected to an Apple TV, it will serve as a "wand" for 3D gesture control and the Home Button will be used to change channels
Very funny. Don't think either ethnic would mind.
But you must have taken Glendale Blvd. past Aimee Semple Macpherson's Angeles Temple to get to Glendale, unless you took Alvarado, which joined Glendale at the Edendale post office, just before the Sennet studios. (I lived two blocks to the east of right there, in a damp little canyon with goats and chickens as neighbors.)
Anyway, you had to go through Echo Park to get to Glendale. The Temple was on the north side of the lake.
I met the first Macintosh pioneer professor at Cal Arts through friends in Echo Park. The very Bohemian heights used to be called "Red Hill" after all the Jewish lefties who moved out of Boyle Heights and into EP after the East LA transformation into Los Lobos/Cheech and Chong territority. So your joke has historical merit.