Steve Jobs' you-misplace-it hostility aside, a stylus makes a lot of sense, but if and only if Apple's iOS and apps can make a distinction between what's done with a stylus (i.e. drawing on screen) versus what is done with a finger (i.e. choosing drawing tools).
It'd work around what's perhaps the #1 problem with touchscreen tablet UIs, the limited number of ways to input. A mouse, for instance, can hover over and click/double-click with any of several buttons. All a typical impoverished touchscreen UI has is touch-tapping enhanced just a little by swiping or pinching. But the latter only work in special circumstance.
I suspect those iPad Pros will be great for graphics designers. A well-designed stylus would make them even better.
And Apple can sell a lot of stylus like 1 in every 100,000 iPad shipped /s.
That's not unique, the Newton does all that apart from the searchability.
Yes, Apple's use of ParaGraph's handwriting recognition engine was very well implemented, and like many other first mover developments in tech well ahead of it's time. .No denying that. Still Microsoft's recognition feature and the stylus it use are well done on the Pro3 don't you think?
Of course we would expect any Apple version to be better thought out and put to use. .
The new device will not be called an iPad Pro. The new nomenclature at Apple is to include the Apple logo symbol at the beginning of a new product name. The large screen iPad will be a new product, such as the ?Pad in name. iOS will include new capabilities to ake advantage of the larger display. Whether the iPad Air and smaller screen devices will be able to also use these new capabilities, is undecided.
The new ?Pad will nclude functionality such as active split-screens, and a more flexible file system that will further open data files to access by more programs. Hard touch will become part of the iOS used by the new device and will be rolled into the existing devices as they are released with the HW capabilities to sense it.
iOS will also have the capability to use smart styli but Apple will not be including such to the product; allowing that be a user choice instead. In addition, the new ?Pad will recognize gestures, though limited at first. Finally, Siri will be much more context aware and when you pause in dictating a message, Siri will suggest words you may be searching for to use.
Yes, Apple's use of ParaGraph's handwriting recognition engine was very well implemented, and like many other first mover developments in tech well ahead of it's time. .No denying that. Still Microsoft's feature is well done on the Pro3 don't you think?
Oh it is, it's just not the earthshattering innovative development that some claimed it was.
My main issue with the Pro 3 was the stupid location of the Windows sensor. And that was before I read stuff like this:
1) And your point? Do you think Apple will drop their capacitive touchscreen HW and UI designed for the finger in order to support only a stylus?
2) Define hand-written? One could say that typing is written with the hands. If your saying that is specifically means writing out letters with the hand using some sort of elongated writing tool why assume that a stylus couldn't be used for painting or any other task on a digital display?
Nobody isn't open to interpretation, it means not one single person. Seeing as how there are people that want a stylus that statement is untrue.
Well, yeah, the iPad mini is overdue for retirement, given that the iPad mini 2 and 3 are both available. It makes sense for Apple to focus their product line a bit, retire the original mini, and drop prices on the 2 and 3, which would be in line with their earlier product line actions. I'm not seeing a "failed" product there, just expected progression.
The iPhone 5C is also due for replacement in mid to late 2015, since it will be 2 years old by that point, so the rumors of its retirement make sense. Presumably it will be replaced by a new model with similar internals to the iPhone 6 but the standard form factor of the iPhone 5c and 5s, and probably an aggressive price. Again, hardly "failed" in any sense.
The Apple Watch is a "failure in the making"? Got any sales numbers to back that up? No? Oh, of course you don't, because it isn't even available yet and you are making stuff up.
As for the stylus, it's a rumor. People have been predicting Apple styli since the iPad was first announced. Yawn. Ooooh, this rumor is from a fairly reputable source? Yawn.
Overall, your post sounds pretty trollish to me. Perhaps that's why Tim Cook is running the most successful company on the planet, and you're some random voice ranting on internet boards.
iPad price dropped like crazy over the holidays. My mini2 was bought at $225. I don't see 4" 5C replacement coming, but larger 6C or 6+C. Why? Redesign of new hardware + R&D for 4" screen size to sell at low tier doesn't make any financial sense. 5C was released as mid-tier with no internal redesign but chassis.
No, Jobs hated stylii; have to put you right, there.
I think you're elevating Jobs's aptitude to a level that even he didn't attain.
He did have failures, probably more than we can imagine, as most of them will have been unseen by the public.
There are different Macs to cater to different market segments, so you're wrong there, too.
Never increased his product line?! The iPods grew and grew by the year.
You may be right about Cook not cutting back on products. There's too much splurge with the iPad line, that's for sure.
"No, Jobs hated stylii; have to put you right, there."
Wrong, he did not hate the stylii / stylus. Go back and listen to that 2007 iPhone keynote where he talks about it & listen to it carefully. He never said he hated it. What he said was, If you NEED a stylus, you have failed.
"There's too much splurge with the iPad line, that's for sure."
This, I do agree with. Personally, I'd rather see the iPad line condensed to an all-Retina, all-TouchID line-up. Easier to support for developers and easier to understand for consumers.
On a side note, if this iPad Pro is real, and I personally think it is, there's a good chance we see it introduced at WWDC.
As an artist I want a "Real" reason to ditch my Wacom Cintiq!
A better Stylus and a bigger iPad, I don't think you will see a Mac "Artist" who doesn't want this or the mobile freedom!
The stylus is an important tool for artists and the iPad STILL lacks a GREAT stylus! Pen pressure, accuracy and software compatibility need improvement!
Why restate the obvious? Did it need to be said again?
Why Jobs against stylus on a phone: You lose it all the time because you carried the phone with you and stylus was inferior to the new method of in put: multitouch. Still, not many demands for stylus so far...maybe 1/100000. That number confirmed that no one gives the sht about stylus anymore.
Certain people here are wrong and confused. I will explain why.
Steve Jobs spoke of not wanting or needing a stylus back when the original iPhone was launched in 2007, and he was right. At the time, people were using Palm Pilots and the like, and they were using it with a stylus. The stylus was required for the day to day use of the device. Doing something simple like selecting a menu item on the screen required a stylus, and it was not a very good system, due to the primitive implementation of touch screen technology. Apple's multitouch display was a much more advanced and elegant solution, and a stylus was not required for day to day operations of the device. Apple's finger based system was far superior to the other primitive solutions at the time. The other systems like Palm Pilot used a stylus, because they had to, they had no other choice.
If a 12.9" iPad came with a stylus, that doesn't make Steve Jobs' statements any less valid and it doesn't make him wrong. For artists and for special use cases, a stylus can be a useful thing. 99% of the time, I use my fingers on my iPad, but I do have a stylus that I bought a long time ago for the rare times where I am painting or drawing something on the iPad.
If I were an artist or graphics designer, I wouldn't mind some sort of advanced stylus implementation on the iPad Pro. I don't spend a lot of my time drawing or painting on the iPad, and I will be using my fingers with the new iPad Pro 99% of the time, but I don't mind if an Apple made stylus were available for it.
Steve Jobs was not always correct, but I don't think that he was wrong about the stylus, even if Apple were to release one in the future, as it would be a completely different use case than what was talked about back in 2007, when the first iPhone was released.
Jobs hated any os that "required" a stylus since touch is so natural, but I don't think he'd be opposed to one that can also use the "best" stylus for the arts, engineering and education. This may also foreshadow functionality built in to to view and use your Mac desktop...stylus would essentially function as the trackpad or mouse you're used to...closing and arranging/sizing windows, pixel level work in Adobe apps, etc. sometimes you'd want the level of control that the mouse would typically afford.
Why Jobs against stylus on a phone: You lose it all the time because you carried the phone with you and stylus was inferior to the new method of in put: multitouch. Still, not many demands for stylus so far...maybe 1/100000. That number confirmed that no one gives the sht about stylus anymore.
Why Jobs against stylus on a phone: You lose it all the time because you carried the phone with you and stylus was inferior to the new method of in put: multitouch. Still, not many demands for stylus so far...maybe 1/100000. That number confirmed that no one gives the sht about stylus anymore.
Here's the iPad quote
(Steve Jobs) It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it. In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.
Anyway this is a no brainer. Apple has 20+ 'smart pen' patents. A stylus and split window multitasking with a larger iPad are a given. Let's just hope the experience is better than what's currently on the market so the wait was worth it.
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Of course we would expect any Apple version to be better thought out and put to use. .
The new ?Pad will nclude functionality such as active split-screens, and a more flexible file system that will further open data files to access by more programs. Hard touch will become part of the iOS used by the new device and will be rolled into the existing devices as they are released with the HW capabilities to sense it.
iOS will also have the capability to use smart styli but Apple will not be including such to the product; allowing that be a user choice instead. In addition, the new ?Pad will recognize gestures, though limited at first. Finally, Siri will be much more context aware and when you pause in dictating a message, Siri will suggest words you may be searching for to use.
Yes, Apple's use of ParaGraph's handwriting recognition engine was very well implemented, and like many other first mover developments in tech well ahead of it's time. .No denying that. Still Microsoft's feature is well done on the Pro3 don't you think?
Oh it is, it's just not the earthshattering innovative development that some claimed it was.
My main issue with the Pro 3 was the stupid location of the Windows sensor. And that was before I read stuff like this:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/05/23/surface-pro-3
http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/06/16/surface-pro-3-update
That's one of the differences between Apple and Microsoft, Apple would have caught that issue before shipping it.
Nobody isn't open to interpretation, it means not one single person. Seeing as how there are people that want a stylus that statement is untrue.
Nobody isn't open to interpretation, it means not one single person. Seeing as how there are people that want a stylus that statement is untrue.
In the context of a phone, nobody wanted or wants a stylus. But hey, let's keep taking things out of context.
Why restate the obvious? Did it need to be said again?
No, Jobs hated stylii; have to put you right, there.
I think you're elevating Jobs's aptitude to a level that even he didn't attain.
He did have failures, probably more than we can imagine, as most of them will have been unseen by the public.
There are different Macs to cater to different market segments, so you're wrong there, too.
Never increased his product line?! The iPods grew and grew by the year.
You may be right about Cook not cutting back on products. There's too much splurge with the iPad line, that's for sure.
"No, Jobs hated stylii; have to put you right, there."
Wrong, he did not hate the stylii / stylus. Go back and listen to that 2007 iPhone keynote where he talks about it & listen to it carefully. He never said he hated it. What he said was, If you NEED a stylus, you have failed.
"There's too much splurge with the iPad line, that's for sure."
This, I do agree with. Personally, I'd rather see the iPad line condensed to an all-Retina, all-TouchID line-up. Easier to support for developers and easier to understand for consumers.
On a side note, if this iPad Pro is real, and I personally think it is, there's a good chance we see it introduced at WWDC.
A better Stylus and a bigger iPad, I don't think you will see a Mac "Artist" who doesn't want this or the mobile freedom!
The stylus is an important tool for artists and the iPad STILL lacks a GREAT stylus! Pen pressure, accuracy and software compatibility need improvement!
Did he amend his statement when introducing the iPad? If not then the status quo remains in effect. It's not that hard.
Certain people here are wrong and confused. I will explain why.
Steve Jobs spoke of not wanting or needing a stylus back when the original iPhone was launched in 2007, and he was right. At the time, people were using Palm Pilots and the like, and they were using it with a stylus. The stylus was required for the day to day use of the device. Doing something simple like selecting a menu item on the screen required a stylus, and it was not a very good system, due to the primitive implementation of touch screen technology. Apple's multitouch display was a much more advanced and elegant solution, and a stylus was not required for day to day operations of the device. Apple's finger based system was far superior to the other primitive solutions at the time. The other systems like Palm Pilot used a stylus, because they had to, they had no other choice.
If a 12.9" iPad came with a stylus, that doesn't make Steve Jobs' statements any less valid and it doesn't make him wrong. For artists and for special use cases, a stylus can be a useful thing. 99% of the time, I use my fingers on my iPad, but I do have a stylus that I bought a long time ago for the rare times where I am painting or drawing something on the iPad.
If I were an artist or graphics designer, I wouldn't mind some sort of advanced stylus implementation on the iPad Pro. I don't spend a lot of my time drawing or painting on the iPad, and I will be using my fingers with the new iPad Pro 99% of the time, but I don't mind if an Apple made stylus were available for it.
Steve Jobs was not always correct, but I don't think that he was wrong about the stylus, even if Apple were to release one in the future, as it would be a completely different use case than what was talked about back in 2007, when the first iPhone was released.
One single somebody throws nobody out the window.
Here's the iPad quote
One single somebody throws nobody out the window.
Okay, nobody with a brain wants a stylus.
Anyway this is a no brainer. Apple has 20+ 'smart pen' patents. A stylus and split window multitasking with a larger iPad are a given. Let's just hope the experience is better than what's currently on the market so the wait was worth it.