Apple.com given over to honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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  • Reply 41 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    One still has the choice to act. I am an adonis, yet I don't act on every opportunity for coitus simply because it's there. :D

    But seriously though, why don't these people think of how this action could affect the position in the community, their livelihood, and their relationship with friends and family (especially their wife and children)? Is the biological urge simply so strong that they can't help themselves? I certainly know that I should stay away from soda/pop/Coke even though I do love the taste, and that choice only affects me. No one is going to be devastated by my choice to drink a wonderfully carbonated, sugary beverage.

    You're really going to compare a primordial urge with one for a sugary beverage? A man can only resist temptation for so long, and a man in power will be tempted in many different ways. Some steal whilst others screw. :lol:
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    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
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    You started out beautifully, and then quickly crashed and burned.



    How is he wrong?

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  • Reply 43 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    I think MLK's message is fine. I just don't like listening to his speeches. Too much like a sermon with grand oratory emphasis.

     

    The only thing that will improve race relations in the US is better education which is why I support the proposal of free community college.

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  • Reply 44 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    I think MLK's message is fine. I just don't like listening to his speeches. Too much like a sermon with grand oratory emphasis.

    The only thing that will improve race relations in the US is better education which is why I support the proposal of free community college.

    Except it's shifting the cost of "ownership" over one's personal responsibilities to the taxpayer population, something that is rampant in our society and something that needs to stop. It's wrong when it's done for banks, airlines and homeowners and it's wrong here. Theft via taxation is no better than a mugging.

    Also, a post high-school education is supposedly statistically proven to lead to a higher income, however some of the wealthiest people in the world (living and dead) did not finish or attend college. That cannot be a mere fluke.
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  • Reply 45 of 163
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    You're really going to compare a primordial urge with one for a sugary beverage? A man can only resist temptation for so long, and a man in power will be tempted in many different ways. Some steal whilst others screw. :lol:

    Absolutely. I am certain I'll break my personal decision to no longer drink sodas from time to time, but it's about improving my health, so one on a rare occasion isn't going to affect my overall health. On top of that, no one is hurt my personal decision, I held no ceremony to state I am stopping drinking soda, took in gifts for stopping drinking sodas, or pledged to some non-soda entity I would stop drinking soda.

    I see someone that would take such a chance on hurting someone they have stated to love and cherish as being 1) insecure, 2) unintelligent, and 3) anti-social, in those regards.
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  • Reply 46 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    razorpit wrote: »

    How is he wrong?

    How are race relations set back by decades? Are there Jim Crow laws again?
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  • Reply 47 of 163
    Marvin wrote: »
    You can't know how you'll feel after living with someone for a long period of time. People tend to get bored with the same things. They provide a sense of familiarity and comfort but try eating your favorite food for 30 days straight.

    1) You're right, you can't, which makes the idea of marriage for love as foolish as getting a tattoo of your favorite band's logo or name.

    2) Are you supporting infidelity? Why not simply get divorced? Is there any evidence for all involved to have a spouse distrust you or children that don't respect you, or, worse, children that think that infidelity is a rite of passage?
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  • Reply 48 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Except it's shifting the cost of "ownership" over one's personal responsibilities to the taxpayer population, something that is rampant in our society and something that needs to stop. It's wrong when it's done for banks, airlines and homeowners and it's wrong here. Theft via taxation is no better than a mugging.


    That is a very shortsighted and selfish point of view. 

     

    Potentially, with free community college education, disenfranchised crime ridden ethnic neighborhoods may gradually become much better off thus reducing the taxpayer's expense of police, court costs, prisons, emergency medical care, crime victims, and at the same time improve race relations because whites would have a lot less to fear from an educated person who contributes to society than they would from a ignorant gang banger.

     

    With education we can possibly end this glamorizing of the gangster life style.

     

    For those reasons I can see better education actually resulting in less cost to the taxpayer in the long run and the society would certainly a better place to raise our children. Education simply prevents poverty.

     

    You know what they say… You only have to pay for education once. Ignorance you pay for your whole life.

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  • Reply 49 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    That is a very shortsighted and selfish point of view. 

    Potentially, with free community college education, disenfranchised crime ridden ethnic neighborhoods may gradually become much better off thus reducing the taxpayer's expense of police, court costs, prisons, emergency medical care, crime victims, and at the same time improve race relations because whites would have a lot less to fear from an educated person who contributes to society than they would from a ignorant gang banger.

    With education we can possibly end this glamorizing of the gangster life style.

    For those reasons I can see better education actually resulting in less cost to the taxpayer in the long run and the society would certainly a better place to raise our children. Education simply prevents poverty.

    Crime ridden neighborhoods and a burgeoning prison population can also be attributed to the flaws in anti-drug laws. Drug use and addiction aren't new and the illegality of drugs contributes hugely to the disproportionate imprisonment of minorities. That's a fact. Making drugs legal or decriminalizing them would correct this (and the states in which cannabis has been legalized in defiance of federal law prove as much).
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    Obama Has Set Race Relations Back Decades

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/09/28/obama_has_set_race_relations_back_decades_264391.html

     

    How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/how-obama-poisoned-race-relations-in-america/

     

    "President Obama and Eric Holder have done damage to race relations. I mean, I really am personally distressed about this."?

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/bill-kristol-obama-has-set-race-relations-america-back

     

    Race relations arguably worse in ‘Age of Obama’

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/12/11/249786/race-relations-arguably-worse.html

     

    Poll: Race relations were better under Bush

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/26/poll-race-relations-were-better-under-bush/


    Links to a bunch of rightwingnutcaseneocon websites don't constitute serious references.

     

    But I am sure you can't tell the difference, so feel free to ignore the comment.

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  • Reply 52 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Crime ridden neighborhoods and a burgeoning prison population can also be attributed to the flaws in anti-drug laws. Drug use and addiction aren't new and the illegality of drugs contributes hugely to the disproportionate imprisonment of minorities. That's a fact. Making drugs legal or decriminalizing them would correct this (and the states in which cannabis has been legalized in defiance of federal law prove as much).


    Drug use is stupidity. The problem is due primarily to lack of education. Education treats the root cause of the problem, decriminalization only treats the symptoms, and also has some terrible side effects. The use of illegal drugs offers no positive contributions to society.

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  • Reply 53 of 163
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    Crime ridden neighborhoods and a burgeoning prison population can also be attributed to the flaws in anti-drug laws. Drug use and addiction aren't new and the illegality of drugs contributes hugely to the disproportionate imprisonment of minorities. That's a fact. Making drugs legal or decriminalizing them would correct this (and the states in which cannabis has been legalized in defiance of federal law prove as much).

    I don't see how legalizing drugs such as crack or meth will help the prison population. When people are addicted to those hard drugs, they are still going to commit crimes such a robbery to help pay for their addiction. That won't change if drugs are legal. I do support legalizing cannabis, but other drugs, no way. 

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  • Reply 54 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    Drug use is stupidity.

    That's a very general statement that simply isn't true.
    The problem is due primarily to lack of education.

    I stand behind education, as well as a society where people feel they have good choices in life, not dead ends.
    Education treats the root cause of the problem, decriminalization only treats the symptoms, and also has some terrible side effects.

    So you are saying you're against decriminalizing drugs? Seems to have worked out very well in Australia.
    The use of illegal drugs offers no positive contributions to society.

    1) I certainly can't think of any, but there are many legal drugs that are also abused, and there are illegal drugs that shouldn't be illegal.

    2) If we're going purely by abuse, then I think caffeine is probably the most abused drug in the world.
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  • Reply 55 of 163
    boltsfan17 wrote: »
    I don't see how legalizing drugs such as crack or meth will help the prison population. When people are addicted to those hard drugs, they are still going to commit crimes such a robbery to help pay for their addiction. That won't change if drugs are legal. I do support legalizing cannabis, but other drugs, no way. 

    There are plenty of studies as well as applications that show that decriminalized harder drugs does help decrease those crimes, too.
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  • Reply 56 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Absolutely. I am certain I'll break my personal decision to no longer drink sodas from time to time, but it's about improving my health, so one on a rare occasion isn't going to affect my overall health. On top of that, no one is hurt my personal decision, I held no ceremony to state I am stopping drinking soda, took in gifts for stopping drinking sodas, or pledged to some non-soda entity I would stop drinking soda.

    I see someone that would take such a chance on hurting someone they have stated to love and cherish as being 1) insecure, 2) unintelligent, and 3) anti-social, in those regards.

    Some people aren't prepared when they're suddenly thrust into the spotlight. Man is weak, and when the allure of something is turned up to heights unknown it's extremely hard to resist. Women that undergo transforming plastic surgery are often told to seek counseling so they can handle the onslaught of attention they're about to get. Some people make life decision before knowing what's out there.
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  • Reply 57 of 163
    boltsfan17 wrote: »
    I don't see how legalizing drugs such as crack or meth will help the prison population. When people are addicted to those hard drugs, they are still going to commit crimes such a robbery to help pay for their addiction. That won't change if drugs are legal. I do support legalizing cannabis, but other drugs, no way. 

    There are plenty of arguments for and against legalization...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition

    ...and we know that there is no law that will prevent people from getting what they want because as the demand increases, supply becomes more costly, which increases the involvement of criminal elements. Legalization takes away the massive profits and risk-taking and criminality associated with attempts to supply users.
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  • Reply 58 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    mstone wrote: »
    I think MLK's message is fine. I just don't like listening to his speeches. Too much like a sermon with grand oratory emphasis.

    The only thing that will improve race relations in the US is better education which is why I support the proposal of free community college.

    Low income people get grants from the government, so community college is free for them. The issue has to be addressed much sooner. Many minority children don't have the support system to push them to get an education. Those kids readily compete on a physical level, but are never taught to compete on a mental, or academic level.
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  • Reply 59 of 163
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Low income people get grants from the government, so community college is free for them. The issue has to be addressed much sooner. Many minority children don't have the support system to push them to get an education. Those kids readily compete on a physical level, but are never taught to compete on a mental, or academic level.

    Would you want to be rewarded because of the color of your skin? It's insulting and diminishing of the individual and when done under the banner of government, unconstitutional as it is unequal treatment. Let people compete of their own skills and ambition.
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  • Reply 60 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
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    The use of illegal drugs offers no positive contributions to society.




    1) I certainly can't think of any, but there are many legal drugs that are also abused, and there are illegal drugs that shouldn't be illegal.



    2) If we're going purely by abuse, then I think caffeine is probably the most abused drug in the world.

    I get that pot use could be considered similar to alcohol use, but there is a difference between responsible use and irresponsible use. The problem I see is that pot users are generality young people who might not have the discipline to use it responsibly. 

     

    While I was recovering from my health crisis I ended up watching too much daytime TV, but, I was amazed how many commercials were targeting unemployed youth. If young people are sitting around in the middle of the day watching TV, I can only imagine that they might also be getting high instead of getting into those educational programs being offered. We as a society really don't need our young people perpetually stoned. Although biologically, it may be harmless, psychologically it is a complete dead end. 

     

    Caffeine abuse is not an situation that substantially affects the type of issues that I was addressing such as intercity race relations and criminal activity.  

     

    I realize my comments have some unsubstantiated speculation and controversial opinions so you really don't need to point that out.

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