Apple.com given over to honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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  • Reply 121 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    analogjack wrote: »
    Edwin Schrödinger, liased with his gf in the Alps while working on his wave equation. Meanwhile his wife stayed at home. As long as King didn't aspire to be a marriage counsellor his private life need not enter into his message. Surely Jackie would have had more of a problem with her husband's dalliances, which are legendary. Apparently the Kennedy clan would procure women for the lads in the hope of keeping it out of the spotlight.

    I honestly can't grasp the desire to be married, and thereby pledging a singular commitment to one person for the rest of one's life just to turn around and cheat on them. I simply can't imagine doing that to another human being, especially one that is often defined as my soul mate.

    I also have no problem with people having as many partners as they desire, but if you know that is how your natural biological makeup pulls you then why even bother getting married.

    It just seems crazy to me that people would either be in an unfulfilling marriage, or go into one with the idea of being unfaithful. Perhaps it's the sneaking around that is exciting, but that just sounds like a huge headache and chore to me.

    Why do we do bad things?

    Because we are evil, corrupt to the very heart.
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  • Reply 122 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    So you are aligning yourself with the ignorant intolerant group against the accepting embracing group?




    In each varying situation, I align myself with the correct group, depending upon what the particular cause is.


    So back on topic: in terms of racial equality and racial discrimination in the US, which group do you align with?

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  • Reply 123 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    "Apple wrote:
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    mstone wrote: »
     
    So you are aligning yourself with the ignorant intolerant group against the accepting embracing group?


    In each varying situation, I align myself with the correct group, depending upon what the particular cause is.
    So back on topic: in terms of racial equality and racial discrimination in the US, which group do you align with?

    The correct group, as he's just answered.
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  • Reply 124 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    The correct group, as he's just answered.

    Have some balls and tell us what you really think.

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  • Reply 125 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    The correct group, as he's just answered.
    Have some balls and tell us what you really think.

    I'm pleased that you're still here.
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  • Reply 126 of 163
    Why do we do bad things?

    Because we are evil, corrupt to the very heart.

    I don't believe in that simplistic notion of good v evil. It can certainly be enjoyable entertainment despite making characters more flat that we find in reality. It's an easy answer, but as we've discussed before how I'm a fan of empirical answers, not convenient ones make feel all squishy and warm inside because they fit a religious narrative.
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  • Reply 127 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Why do we do bad things?

    Because we are evil, corrupt to the very heart.

    I don't believe in that simplistic notion of good v evil. It can certainly be enjoyable entertainment despite making characters more flat that we find in reality. It's an easy answer, but as we've discussed before how I'm a fan of empirical answers, not convenient ones make feel all squishy and warm inside because they fit a religious narrative.

    The devil would agree with you.
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  • Reply 128 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    I don't think it's odd at all. Leaders have power. Power attracts. Ergo, infidelity.

    On top of that, if you add charisma to the mix (which many leaders also tend to have), I am surprised infidelity is not more universal.

    One still has the choice to act. I am an adonis, yet I don't act on every opportunity for coitus simply because it's there. :D

    But seriously though, why don't these people think of how this action could affect the position in the community, their livelihood, and their relationship with friends and family (especially their wife and children)? Is the biological urge simply so strong that they can't help themselves? I certainly know that I should stay away from soda/pop/Coke even though I do love the taste, and that choice only affects me. No one is going to be devastated by my choice to drink a wonderfully carbonated, sugary beverage.

    People are bad. Famous people and unknown people.

    We should all strive to be better.
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  • Reply 129 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    I don't think it's odd at all. Leaders have power. Power attracts. Ergo, infidelity.

    On top of that, if you add charisma to the mix (which many leaders also tend to have), I am surprised infidelity is not more universal.

    One still has the choice to act. I am an adonis, yet I don't act on every opportunity for coitus simply because it's there. :D

    But seriously though, why don't these people think of how this action could affect the position in the community, their livelihood, and their relationship with friends and family (especially their wife and children)? Is the biological urge simply so strong that they can't help themselves? I certainly know that I should stay away from soda/pop/Coke even though I do love the taste, and that choice only affects me. No one is going to be devastated by my choice to drink a wonderfully carbonated, sugary beverage.

    That choice actually affects many people. Everything is intertwined.

    Think of the butterfly.
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  • Reply 130 of 163
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    solipsismy wrote: »
    One still has the choice to act. I am an adonis, yet I don't act on every opportunity for coitus simply because it's there. :D

    But seriously though, why don't these people think of how this action could affect the position in the community, their livelihood, and their relationship with friends and family (especially their wife and children)? Is the biological urge simply so strong that they can't help themselves? I certainly know that I should stay away from soda/pop/Coke even though I do love the taste, and that choice only affects me. No one is going to be devastated by my choice to drink a wonderfully carbonated, sugary beverage.

    You're really going to compare a primordial urge with one for a sugary beverage? A man can only resist temptation for so long, and a man in power will be tempted in many different ways. Some steal whilst others screw. :lol:

    It's no laughing matter.

    We celebrate famous men, even though there is a swirling mass of black wickedness at the centre of them all.

    There is far too much hero worship in today's world. Idolatry is bad. It becomes an excuse for all our sins.

    Meekness is the right way.
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  • Reply 131 of 163
    mstone wrote: »
    I think MLK's message is fine. I just don't like listening to his speeches. Too much like a sermon with grand oratory emphasis.

    The only thing that will improve race relations in the US is better education which is why I support the proposal of free community college.

    Except it's shifting the cost of "ownership" over one's personal responsibilities to the taxpayer population, something that is rampant in our society and something that needs to stop. It's wrong when it's done for banks, airlines and homeowners and it's wrong here. Theft via taxation is no better than a mugging.

    Also, a post high-school education is supposedly statistically proven to lead to a higher income, however some of the wealthiest people in the world (living and dead) did not finish or attend college. That cannot be a mere fluke.

    We have long had free higher education in England.

    The problem now is that far too many people go to university, rather than technical colleges. Universities should be reserved for the few percent who are academically bright enough. The rest should be at polytechnics, as we used to call them.
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  • Reply 132 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Marvin wrote: »
    You can't know how you'll feel after living with someone for a long period of time. People tend to get bored with the same things. They provide a sense of familiarity and comfort but try eating your favorite food for 30 days straight.

    1) You're right, you can't, which makes the idea of marriage for love as foolish as getting a tattoo of your favorite band's logo or name.

    2) Are you supporting infidelity? Why not simply get divorced? Is there any evidence for all involved to have a spouse distrust you or children that don't respect you, or, worse, children that think that infidelity is a rite of passage?

    Not at all.

    If both man and wife strive to be good, then they will have a good marriage.

    That's what love is.
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  • Reply 133 of 163
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Absolutely. I am certain I'll break my personal decision to no longer drink sodas from time to time, but it's about improving my health, so one on a rare occasion isn't going to affect my overall health. On top of that, no one is hurt my personal decision, I held no ceremony to state I am stopping drinking soda, took in gifts for stopping drinking sodas, or pledged to some non-soda entity I would stop drinking soda.

    I see someone that would take such a chance on hurting someone they have stated to love and cherish as being 1) insecure, 2) unintelligent, and 3) anti-social, in those regards.

    Some people aren't prepared when they're suddenly thrust into the spotlight. Man is weak, and when the allure of something is turned up to heights unknown it's extremely hard to resist. Women that undergo transforming plastic surgery are often told to seek counseling so they can handle the onslaught of attention they're about to get. Some people make life decision before knowing what's out there.

    Well said.

    Man is, indeed, weak, and woman is even weaker.
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  • Reply 134 of 163
    solipsismy wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Some people aren't prepared when they're suddenly thrust into the spotlight. Man is weak, and when the allure of something is turned up to heights unknown it's extremely hard to resist. Women that undergo transforming plastic surgery are often told to seek counseling so they can handle the onslaught of attention they're about to get. Some people make life decision before knowing what's out there.

    I consider such decisions to be stupid, but I have always had a hard time seeing a reason for marriage because I know from dating that an intense love can eventually become someone you merely wish to be friends with, indifferent too, or dislike altogether, although I can say that everyone I've loved in my life I still love — and wish for them the best — for the reasons in wish I fell in love in the first place; at least in the emotional and intelligence aspects of the relationship. Clearly the girl I thought was physically beautiful at 21yo will not be beautiful by that same standard 15 years later, even if she is beautiful today by my standards for a mid-30's woman.

    Edit: unwise comment removed. I was trying to be too witty.
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  • Reply 135 of 163
    nick29nick29 Posts: 111member
    I don't celebrate MLK Day, this sums it up for me: The King Holiday and Its Meaning by Dr. Sam Francis: http://bit.ly/180K5Kh
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  • Reply 136 of 163
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    We have long had free higher education in England.

    The problem now is that far too many people go to university, rather than technical colleges. Universities should be reserved for the few percent who are academically bright enough. The rest should be at polytechnics, as we used to call them.

    Wait, what? People that aren't bright should go to polytechnics? So engineers aren't bright? :???:

    The devil would agree with you.

    No.

    People are bad.

    No.
    We should all strive to be better.

    Yes, but that's your goodness talking.

    That choice actually affects many people. Everything is intertwined.

    Think of the butterfly.

    I agree, which is why I don't understand why people who have built a career and proven a certain level of intelligence of looking forward toward the future would see that reward v risk as worthwhile.

    ...there is a swirling mass of black wickedness at the centre of them all.

    No.
    There is far too much hero worship in today's world. Idolatry is bad. It becomes an excuse for all our sins.

    1) I'd think a wise man might look at the religions of a millennia ago (and further back) to see that idolatry can get out of hand as each generation keeps keeps laying down additional dogma. It seems to me that would be a sound reason for Muhammad to be against idolatry, but as we've seen that even that can be taken to an unfortunate extreme.

    2) If you were truly against idolatry then you wouldn't be a Christian. Jesus is the most worshipped figure in the world, if we exclude Hollywood movie stars.
    Meekness is the right way.

    I seem to remember you making statements on this board that are smarter than everyone here, or something to that effect. I guess we just chalk that up to being the work of Satan?

    700

    If both man and wife strive to be good, then they will have a good marriage.

    How or why could something you state as being evil to its core understand how to or want to strive to be good?
    That's what love is.

    That feeling of being in love isn't a mystery. What you're talking about is commitment, and there are many reasons why that is beneficial (or harmful) to an individual.

    Tl;DR: Specific stimuli cause the release of the chemicals.
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  • Reply 137 of 163
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    nick29 wrote: »
    I don't celebrate MLK Day, this sums it up for me: The King Holiday and Its Meaning by Dr. Sam Francis: http://bit.ly/180K5Kh

    Could you sum up your reasons in a short paragraph?
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  • Reply 138 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Could you sum up your reasons in a short paragraph?

    Four words can sum up that article, 'he was a commie'. ;)
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  • Reply 139 of 163
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
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    How are race relations set back by decades? Are there Jim Crow laws again?



    So its Jim Crow or nothing?  Common you're brighter than that...

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  • Reply 140 of 163
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    razorpit wrote: »

    So its Jim Crow or nothing?  Common you're brighter than that...

    He didn't say that was the only way.

    Why do you believe that race relations have been set back a decade by the existence of a black president?
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