I see diversity of backgrounds and opinions as a benefit to any organization. Would you consider scholarships for Christians to be insulting? Scholarships for folks of Scandanavian heritage, would you find that insulting?
Moreover, what about people being accepted into college because of "legacy", like George W Bush? What about when their rich fathers donated a huge sum of money to the University and that is why folks like Romney, Bush, etc got into college?
Further, if you are REALLY against affirmative action, let's get rid of the electoral college which, by definition, gives more weight to folks living in unpopulated states. Also, let's assign Senators according to a state's population. It's clear that there are 2 examples of affirmative action in the Constitution- the electoral college and the fact that each state gets 2 senators, regardless of population.
You think the following definition is in the Constituion?! :???:
Affirmative Action noun
- an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.
Personally, I see why one would want affirmative action in a society that is still highly unbalanced, but if one doesn't see how it's ultimately a short-sided solution that will eventually reveal it's own shortcomings in trying to establish a more fair solution then one simply isn't looking at its pros and cons.
You think the following definition is in the Constituion?!
Personally, I see why one would want affirmative action in a society that is still highly unbalanced, but if one doesn't see how it's ultimately a short-sided solution that will eventually reveal it's own shortcomings in trying to establish a more fair solution then one simply isn't looking at its pros and cons.
Affirmative Action is one of the most racially destructive policies ever created and should be immediately abolished.
Affirmative Action is one of the most racially destructive policies ever created and should be immediately abolished.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
It most certainly is reasonable to say. AA has been divisive ever since its inception. Propping up one group to the detriment of another is blatant racism. Because of AA we now have artificial quotas that must be met in hiring and collegiate application policies which places importance on the skin color rather than on the individual.
I understand that the remaining King family charges quite a lot of money for any use of MLK's name and image.
They do and I think that's quite awful. The current movie Selma couldn't use any of King's actual speeches because the family apparently sold the rights to Steven Spielberg for another film.
I would have thought that anything spoken in a public forum by a public person in which press was present would have entered the public domain.
But regardless of what Apple does on their home page, I think this day does little to remember King properly. What I did notice is that the shopping malls are swamped. Why people feel they needed to shop today instead of Saturday or Sunday, I don't know, but it's become just another day to buy a TV or mattress or game player. I don't think King would have been pleased.
The speeches take on an entirely different character when meshed with the reality of the orgies and infidelity. Both the speeches and the Caligula-like behavior were the same man.
What is it about people in power? The saying goes "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but I think the reality is that we are already 'corrupt absolutely' and power unleashes the inner freak faster than anything without an equally powerful opposing force.
Most of that is total b.s. We hear the same tired, racist, false stories every year. Did King cheat on this wife? Sure. But he was not Caligula.
I understand that the remaining King family charges quite a lot of money for any use of MLK's name and image.
They do and I think that's quite awful.
So do the trustees of the Albert Einstein estate. I once got sued by them for using a photo that I paid to have shot with a male model next to a chalk board with a sweater and grey hair similar to Einstein's. We settled the lawsuit but it cost us a few thousand dollars. I didn't even know about the celebrity likeness law in California at the time.
I wonder how much Google is paying for their "likeness" representation of MLK on their home page. It is hard to believe that you would have to pay for representing someone who has a national holiday in their honor.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
I agree with this.
When a patient goes into the hospital they hook them up to a IV. No one expects them to live the rest of their life on an IV. It is a temporary measure until their condition stabilizes and they recover.
Everyone benefits from minorities gaining an education.
Of all things, people are upset by one man's marital issues?
Really?
Many, if not most, of the world's heroes since the dawn of recorded history had marital issues. Are you sure your problem isn't something you are just ashamed to talk about?
It most certainly is reasonable to say. AA has been divisive ever since its inception. Propping up one group to the detriment of another is blatant racism. Because of AA we now have artificial quotas that must be met in hiring and collegiate application policies which places importance on the skin color rather than on the individual.
It goes both ways. If one group is being and has been discriminated against for so long the discrimination has become both institutionalized and culturally embedded affirmative action may be required. Exactly because discrimination is so culturally embedded affirmative action can appear unfair. To open eyes and change minds can take a long time. Case in point - Ridley Scott's 'Exodus'. (What were they thinking?)
One wonders why people bother to get married at all. It's a legal arrangement that is a consensual lie.
You’re both kidding, right?
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Links to a bunch of rightwingnutcaseneocon websites don't constitute serious references.
Having not looked at any of the links myself and not caring about the argument at all, your logical fallacy here is more irrelevant than any false information they might present.
The speeches take on an entirely different character when meshed with the reality of the orgies and infidelity. Both the speeches and the Caligula-like behavior were the same man.
What is it about people in power? The saying goes "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but I think the reality is that we are already 'corrupt absolutely' and power unleashes the inner freak faster than anything without an equally powerful opposing force.
not sure i buy that -- there are plenty of non-famous people have multiple partners and groupsex. you just dont hear about it.
1) There does seem to be an odd union between infidelity and the greatest leaders in history. Perhaps we're discover why as we learn more about the brain or genetics.
oh dear lord. it's simple -- commonly male mammals engage in procreation with as many females as possible. ie, men like sex. when a man has power (politician, executive, wealthy, etc) his status is elevated and it's easier to obtain sex partners.
They're still slaves, just not to plantation owners anymore.
i live in a black majority region, and actually, no, theyre not still slaves. theyre free to marry, attend university, get jobs wherever, and do whatever the hell they want to. just like anybody else.
that word, slavery...i do not think it means what you think it means.
If you seriously loved your spouse, you would never cheat.
thats one world view. there are many others, such as those that dont equate sexual activity with the life long commitment of partnership and love that is marriage. check out the book The Ethical Slut, written by polyamorous partners.
i live in a black majority region, and actually, no, theyre not still slaves. theyre free to marry, attend university, get jobs wherever, and do whatever the hell they want to. just like anybody else.
that word, slavery...i do not think it means what you think it means.
I don't think Apple ][ means what he says, nor does he think. He plays a role here similar to the villain in pro wrestling.
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You think the following definition is in the Constituion?! :???:
Personally, I see why one would want affirmative action in a society that is still highly unbalanced, but if one doesn't see how it's ultimately a short-sided solution that will eventually reveal it's own shortcomings in trying to establish a more fair solution then one simply isn't looking at its pros and cons.
Citation?
Wow, what a Freudian slip.
You think the following definition is in the Constituion?!
Personally, I see why one would want affirmative action in a society that is still highly unbalanced, but if one doesn't see how it's ultimately a short-sided solution that will eventually reveal it's own shortcomings in trying to establish a more fair solution then one simply isn't looking at its pros and cons.
Affirmative Action is one of the most racially destructive policies ever created and should be immediately abolished.
Wow, what a Freudian slip.
It was no slip. It was written as intended.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
It most certainly is reasonable to say. AA has been divisive ever since its inception. Propping up one group to the detriment of another is blatant racism. Because of AA we now have artificial quotas that must be met in hiring and collegiate application policies which places importance on the skin color rather than on the individual.
I understand that the remaining King family charges quite a lot of money for any use of MLK's name and image.
They do and I think that's quite awful. The current movie Selma couldn't use any of King's actual speeches because the family apparently sold the rights to Steven Spielberg for another film.
I would have thought that anything spoken in a public forum by a public person in which press was present would have entered the public domain.
But regardless of what Apple does on their home page, I think this day does little to remember King properly. What I did notice is that the shopping malls are swamped. Why people feel they needed to shop today instead of Saturday or Sunday, I don't know, but it's become just another day to buy a TV or mattress or game player. I don't think King would have been pleased.
The speeches take on an entirely different character when meshed with the reality of the orgies and infidelity. Both the speeches and the Caligula-like behavior were the same man.
What is it about people in power? The saying goes "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but I think the reality is that we are already 'corrupt absolutely' and power unleashes the inner freak faster than anything without an equally powerful opposing force.
Most of that is total b.s. We hear the same tired, racist, false stories every year. Did King cheat on this wife? Sure. But he was not Caligula.
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp
I understand that the remaining King family charges quite a lot of money for any use of MLK's name and image.
They do and I think that's quite awful.
So do the trustees of the Albert Einstein estate. I once got sued by them for using a photo that I paid to have shot with a male model next to a chalk board with a sweater and grey hair similar to Einstein's. We settled the lawsuit but it cost us a few thousand dollars. I didn't even know about the celebrity likeness law in California at the time.
I wonder how much Google is paying for their "likeness" representation of MLK on their home page. It is hard to believe that you would have to pay for representing someone who has a national holiday in their honor.
That's simply not a reasonable thing to say. It definitely has a long history of giving a more equal footing to the underprivileged. The problem is that it's not a sustainable idea for a truly equal society.
One could think of it as training wheels for fairness in a diverse society, but eventually the training wheels need to come off even at the risk of failing down as a result.
I agree with this.
When a patient goes into the hospital they hook them up to a IV. No one expects them to live the rest of their life on an IV. It is a temporary measure until their condition stabilizes and they recover.
Everyone benefits from minorities gaining an education.
Of all things, people are upset by one man's marital issues?
Really?
Many, if not most, of the world's heroes since the dawn of recorded history had marital issues. Are you sure your problem isn't something you are just ashamed to talk about?
It most certainly is reasonable to say. AA has been divisive ever since its inception. Propping up one group to the detriment of another is blatant racism. Because of AA we now have artificial quotas that must be met in hiring and collegiate application policies which places importance on the skin color rather than on the individual.
It goes both ways. If one group is being and has been discriminated against for so long the discrimination has become both institutionalized and culturally embedded affirmative action may be required. Exactly because discrimination is so culturally embedded affirmative action can appear unfair. To open eyes and change minds can take a long time. Case in point - Ridley Scott's 'Exodus'. (What were they thinking?)
You’re both kidding, right?
Having not looked at any of the links myself and not caring about the argument at all, your logical fallacy here is more irrelevant than any false information they might present.
The speeches take on an entirely different character when meshed with the reality of the orgies and infidelity. Both the speeches and the Caligula-like behavior were the same man.
What is it about people in power? The saying goes "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but I think the reality is that we are already 'corrupt absolutely' and power unleashes the inner freak faster than anything without an equally powerful opposing force.
not sure i buy that -- there are plenty of non-famous people have multiple partners and groupsex. you just dont hear about it.
1) There does seem to be an odd union between infidelity and the greatest leaders in history. Perhaps we're discover why as we learn more about the brain or genetics.
oh dear lord. it's simple -- commonly male mammals engage in procreation with as many females as possible. ie, men like sex. when a man has power (politician, executive, wealthy, etc) his status is elevated and it's easier to obtain sex partners.
thats it.
They're still slaves, just not to plantation owners anymore.
i live in a black majority region, and actually, no, theyre not still slaves. theyre free to marry, attend university, get jobs wherever, and do whatever the hell they want to. just like anybody else.
that word, slavery...i do not think it means what you think it means.
If you seriously loved your spouse, you would never cheat.
thats one world view. there are many others, such as those that dont equate sexual activity with the life long commitment of partnership and love that is marriage. check out the book The Ethical Slut, written by polyamorous partners.
I don't think Apple ][ means what he says, nor does he think. He plays a role here similar to the villain in pro wrestling.