Apple.com given over to honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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  • Reply 141 of 163
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member



    Well we have the hyper sensitivity discussing anything of race, the violence in cities like St. Louis, flash mobs, the knock out game, the lambasting of any black conservative in the media, etc.

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  • Reply 142 of 163
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    We have long had free higher education in England.



    The problem now is that far too many people go to university, rather than technical colleges. Universities should be reserved for the few percent who are academically bright enough. The rest should be at polytechnics, as we used to call them.



    Wait, what? People that aren't bright should go to polytechnics? So engineers aren't bright? image

     

    Who said anything about engineers? Academically.

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    The devil would agree with you.



    No.

     

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

     

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    People are bad.



    No.

     

    Hitler was good?

     

    Got it.

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    We should all strive to be better.




    Yes, but that's your goodness talking.

     
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    That choice actually affects many people. Everything is intertwined.



    Think of the butterfly.




    I agree, which is why I don't understand why people who have built a career and proven a certain level of intelligence of looking forward toward the future would see that reward v risk as worthwhile.

     
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    ...there is a swirling mass of black wickedness at the centre of them all.



    No.

     

    Proof?

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    There is far too much hero worship in today's world. Idolatry is bad. It becomes an excuse for all our sins.



    1) I'd think a wise man might look at the religions of a millennia ago (and further back) to see that idolatry can get out of hand as each generation keeps keeps laying down additional dogma. It seems to me that would be a sound reason for Muhammad to be against idolatry, but as we've seen that even that can be taken to an unfortunate extreme.



    2) If you were truly against idolatry then you wouldn't be a Christian. Jesus is the most worshipped figure in the world, if we exclude Hollywood movie stars.

     

    Worship is not the same as idolatry. But I agree in a sense; I think that we could all stand to improve our Christian lives.

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    Meekness is the right way.



    I seem to remember you making statements on this board that are smarter than everyone here, or something to that effect.

     

    Thanks for the compliment!

     

    I guess we just chalk that up to being the work of Satan?

     







     

     

    I wouldn't know; you'll have to ask God.

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    If both man and wife strive to be good, then they will have a good marriage.



    How or why could something you state as being evil to its core understand how to or want to strive to be good?

     

    I think most, if not all, people contain both good and evil. Even Hitler, possibly.

     

    People don't generally strive to be tortured, but they still are.

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    That's what love is.




    That feeling of being in love isn't a mystery. What you're talking about is commitment, and there are many reasons why that is beneficial (or harmful) to an individual.



    Tl;DR: Specific stimuli cause the release of the chemicals.

     

    I didn't describe a feeling of being in love. Striving to be good is something one has to work at. We must constantly fight against evil.


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  • Reply 143 of 163
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    Hitler was good?

    Got it.

    1) Learn to quote. Mac OS X and iOS both have ways of including shortcuts so you can type some characters and have the reverse quote text posted, which will help break up a comment quickly and easily. Work smarter, not harder.

    2) Hitler certainly did horrible things, but this dichotomy that defines people is ridiculous in it's simplicity.

    3) You Godwinned the thread. No, not that god.

    4) You previously stated we're all evil, so why would evil strive to be good unless we are also, good, by your own standard. How can we all be evil but you say Hitler was probably good and evil? And you clearly have levels to this evil you perceive so why have only good and evil, and not the levels of evilness or an evilometer? What is evil about an infant? I can imagine an anthropomorphised diaper saying a baby is evil, but that's about it.
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  • Reply 144 of 163
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
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    Citation?



    Forbes: "

    RETAIL 1/14/2015 @ 1:47PM 2,098 views

    Apple And Intel Employees Work On MLK Day: Are Tech Diversity Efforts Sincere?"

     

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenkusek/2015/01/14/apple-intel-employees-working-on-mlk-day-are-tech-diversity-efforts-sincere/

     

    CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/19/technology/apple-martin-luther-king-holiday/index.html

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  • Reply 145 of 163
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    Hitler was good?



    Got it.



    1) Learn to quote. Mac OS X and iOS both have ways of including shortcuts so you can type some characters and have the reverse quote text posted, which will help break up a comment quickly and easily. Work smarter, not harder.

     

    ?I took a leaf out of Mr. Dilger's book in using bold. I find it’s clear; just head for the bold, and quick to use.



    2) Hitler certainly did horrible things, but this dichotomy that defines people is ridiculous in it's simplicity.

     

    I think you'd find that most people would say that Hitler was bad. It is a summary of what he did in the world. No doubt, he could be pleasant and friendly to people, but that's not the point. Any good he did is overwhelmed by the montrosities he carried out.



    3) You Godwinned the thread. No, not that god.

     

    I don't understand. Your misuse of the word God suggests some kind of cheap atheist barb.



    4) You previously stated we're all evil, so why would evil strive to be good unless we are also, good, by your own standard. How can we all be evil but you say Hitler was probably good and evil? And you clearly have levels to this evil you perceive so why have only good and evil, and not the levels of evilness or an evilometer? What is evil about an infant? I can imagine an anthropomorphised diaper saying a baby is evil, but that's about it.

     

    The problem is, you constantly deal in absolutes; life isn't like that. We're shades of grey, not black and white, or shades of black and white if you prefer. One can be good and evil; it’s a constant fight, and if we're not careful, evil will win.

     

    What is evil about an infant? We are born sinners into this world. A mother might have something to say to you about the mischievousness of infants. ;)


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  • Reply 146 of 163
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    1) Learn to quote. Mac OS X and iOS both have ways of including shortcuts so you can type some characters and have the reverse quote text posted, which will help break up a comment quickly and easily. Work smarter, not harder.



    2) Hitler certainly did horrible things, but this dichotomy that defines people is ridiculous in it's simplicity.



    3) You Godwinned the thread. No, not that god.



    4) You previously stated we're all evil, so why would evil strive to be good unless we are also, good, by your own standard. How can we all be evil but you say Hitler was probably good and evil? And you clearly have levels to this evil you perceive so why have only good and evil, and not the levels of evilness or an evilometer? What is evil about an infant? I can imagine an anthropomorphised diaper saying a baby is evil, but that's about it.

     

    I think there should be more discussion about Hitler and the era in which he lived. Dispel some of the myths, for lack of a better word, that people hold from that period.

     

    It's about time we stop being Godwinned for even the mention of Hitler's name.

     

    ... and this does not mean in any way that I think the guy is good or anywhere close to it.

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  • Reply 147 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    I think there should be more discussion about Hitler and the era in which he lived. Dispel some of the myths, for lack of a better word, that people hold from that period.

    It's about time we stop being Godwinned for even the mention of Hitler's name.

    ... and this does not mean in any way that I think the guy is good or anywhere close to it.

    Please, do tell.
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  • Reply 148 of 163
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    Please, do tell.

     

    Wrong place.

     

    ... but I will say that sometimes it bothers me when people immediately yell "godwin" whenever Hitler's name enters a discussion (... and this isn't to say that I'm pointing directly at Solipsism when I say this). There are times when mentions of Hitler et al are appropriate as an example/comparison.

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  • Reply 149 of 163
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    Four words can sum up that article, 'he was a commie'. image



    Yes, that detail somehow eludes the reporting on MLKing. It's a fact, so why not make that absolutely clear? Are Americans even aware of that part of his life?

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  • Reply 150 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member

    Yes, that detail somehow eludes the reporting on MLKing. It's a fact, so why not make that absolutely clear? Are Americans even aware of that part of his life?

    I just don't consider that to be the bad thing it's been made to be.
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  • Reply 151 of 163
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    I just don't consider that to be the bad thing it's been made to be.



    Communism is inherently self-defeating and self-contradictory. It is by definition a broken and unusable system.

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  • Reply 152 of 163

    Communism is inherently self-defeating and self-contradictory. It is by definition a broken and unusable system.

    It's also contrary to human nature. It advances the lie that the mob is more important than the individual and that the individual serves the state, not the other way around.
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  • Reply 153 of 163
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    It's also contrary to human nature. It advances the lie that the mob is more important than the individual and that the individual serves the state, not the other way around.

    That sounds a lot like sports.
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  • Reply 154 of 163
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Could you sum up your reasons in a short paragraph?



    Jesse Helms Blah. Blah, Blah....a clear advocate for African Americans. /s

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    Yes, that detail somehow eludes the reporting on MLKing. It's a fact, so why not make that absolutely clear? Are Americans even aware of that part of his life?


    Because it is not clear. There is nothing that says he was a communist, not even the linked article says he was a communist.

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  • Reply 155 of 163
    splif wrote: »

    Jesse Helms Blah. Blah, Blah....a clear advocate for African Americans. /s
    Because it is not clear. There is nothing that says he was a communist, not even the linked article says he was a communist.

    There is admittedly thin evidence, however taped evidence from the FBI from their lengthy investigation into King is sealed until 2027: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#FBI_and_King.27s_personal_life
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  • Reply 156 of 163
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    I mean what I say and I think what I mean.

     

    I see my role as more of an informed character who is here to get to the bottom of things, and to reveal the truth, via an unlfiltered lens, regardless of the efforts of a few others who are disciples of the PC religion, and who are in the business of suppressing the truth.




    ...I am the catcher in the rye.

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  • Reply 157 of 163
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    There is admittedly thin evidence, however taped evidence from the FBI from their lengthy investigation into King is sealed until 2027: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#FBI_and_King.27s_personal_life



    and how does that jibe with your statement: ("It's a fact, so why not make that absolutely clear?")? Did MLK have political enemies within the FBI? (rhetorical question because we all know the answer to that.) He ran the FBI & was rumored to like to wear women's clothing at parties.

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  • Reply 158 of 163
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    and how does that jibe with your statement? Did MLK have political enemies within the FBI? (rhetorical question because we all know the answer to that.) He ran the FBI & was rumored to like to wear women's clothing at parties.


     

    Is there something wrong with wearing women's clothing at parties?

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  • Reply 159 of 163
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Is there something wrong with wearing women's clothing at parties?




    Did I say there was? 

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  • Reply 160 of 163
    edit: Pipped by [@]Splif[/@].
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