Well based on those links while Apple is making the gold harder by using boron carbide they are also using less gold. I read the patent and unless I am missing something if you take the same size casing Apple is using about half the gold by volume compared to using standard alloys.
Well based on those links while Apple is making the gold harder by using boron carbide they are also using less gold. I read the patent and unless I am missing something if you take the same size casing Apple is using about half the gold by volume compared to using standard alloys.
18 carat is 18 carat. You can't change the purity of the gold; all you can change is the other metals in the alloy.
Edit: nevermind, I see. They are greatly reducing the overall density of the alloy... interesting.
18 carat is 18 carat. You can't change the purity of the gold; all you can change is the other metals in the alloy.
A barge is sailing through the Panama Canal carrying iron ore. The barge gets closed into one of the locks. This is a very special lock as there is now a specific amount of water with egress or ingress while closed. The captain gets bitten by a mosquito which causes him to instantly go crazy and dump 2 tonnes of ore into this closed lock. Does the water level go up. go down, or stay the same?
A barge is sailing through the Panama Canal carrying iron ore. The barge gets closed into one of the locks. This is a very special lock as there is now a specific amount of water with egress or ingress while closed. The captain gets bitten by a mosquito which causes him to instantly go crazy and dump 2 tonnes of ore into this closed lock. Does the water level go up. go down, or stay the same?
Not sure I follow your rather convoluted analogy, but I get it. The new alloy is less dense allowing them to make the same part with less material (measured by mass). I missed that point before.
Not sure I follow your rather convoluted analogy, but I get it. The new alloy is less dense allowing them to make the same part with less material (measured by mass). I missed that point before.
It's not an analogy, but rather an old but simple physics puzzle, hence the question at the end. The clue is that to solve it you need to think about the same reasoning that you missed previously about Apple's gold matrix (?Gold Plus?).
That's fine that it doesn't require any authentication once it's on your wrist and actively tethered to your iPhone, but if that's the only way ?Pay can be used on ?Watch despite having it's own NFC HW, which includes the secure element, then they are dropping the ball. It should be independent of an iPhone after it's been setup so you can put it next to an NFC reader and have your cards appear, once it's been authenticated when put on until it's removed. But if that wasn't mentioned by Cue then I have to concede by saying [@]Dick Applebaum[/@] was right.
Hello? Are you not paying attention? The watch does nothing without being tethered to an iPhone. The NFC chip in the watch only allows older iPhones to make payments. The iPhone is required to make the transaction with the cellular signal. The watch will never do it alone, ever. People can pay just as quickly with their iPhone. The watch will not make a transaction faster.
The Watch is going to change the world, one more time.
Those who are predicting the Apple Watch will disappoint or worse are once again failing to imagine. There is not a sorrier failing in tech prognostication. It's why we laugh at Ballmer, Enderle, Dvorak, etc., many years later.
Wasting $349+ for a duplicate device is what many people see. The smart watch market is a dead one. I can pay with the iPhone using one hand. The watch requires two hands to pay. One to hold the watch over the reader and the other to double-press the side button. That's supposed to be faster? People buying beer at a stadium will have to put their beer down to pay. They won't like that. Of course the watch battery will be dead by the evening sports game.
Sounds awesome. Makes payment even faster and easier than it already is with Touch ID and Apple Pay.
Using two hands to pay with the watch is faster than one hand with an iPhone? Yeah, keep believing that. Apple will gladly take your money with that false statement.
Is he saying the watch requires an iPhone to actually make a payment using ?Pay? So you can't run out for a jog wearing only the watch and buy a bottle of Gatorade, without your iPhone nearby?
Amazing how you people have no idea how the watch works. The watch does nothing without an iPhone. Even Apple Pay doesn't work because the phone processes all functions, including payments. Read something other than AppleInsider and you might actually learn something.
And the funny thing is, it isn't even an argument. It's a statement of fact. You just think it is because you're not bothering to read the context, and likely don't care.
Okay folks, if we can just pause for a second to sum up this week's arguments against the Apple Watch:
1/. There is a large proportion of the population that can remember to charge an iPhone and iPad, but are suffering from some unique, undiagnosed disorder that will specifically prevent them from remembering to charge an Apple Watch.
2/. There is a large proportion of the population that will not be able to press the large single button on the side of the Apple Watch, though they do seem to possess the dexterity to put the watch on in the first place.
3/. There is a large proportion of the population that is not only dishonest but also possesses the mutant ability to teleport the iPhone from your pocket and the Apple Watch from your wrist at the same time.
4/. There is a large proportion of the population that will charge both their iPhone and their Apple watch in coffee shops and then leave them out of sight so they can order an expresso.
5/. There is a large proportion of the population that will not buy any watch designed by a man who wears bright red socks.
6/. There is large proportion of the internet-dwelling population that will drag their mother/grandmother into an argument – and she will always be 84 years-old.
Now if you add all these large populations together then any fool can see that Apple hasn't thought this through.
Except I clearly recall somebody from Apple saying at the announcement last year that you could leave your phone at home and still make payments with ?Pay on the watch. But Eddy Cue seems to be saying now the phone has to be nearby. Hopefully this will be cleared up on Monday.
Incorrect. Cook clearly said an iPhone is REQUIRED. Watch it again. Hop over to ArsTech and read the article explaining that the iPhone handles all the processing for the watch. This was based on the review of the SDK. The watch would even run faster with an iPhone 6 compared to a slower iPhone 5 because the 6 could run the apps faster. The watch is just a sub display for the phone. It is a $350 brick without an iPhone.
Why would they be wearing your ?Watch? Why would you allow the pairing and authentication on your iPhone if someone else was wearing your ?Watch?
solipsism.. That is why i said it is a tiny hole in the system..can Not be easily taken advantage of!
Im just showing how it is possible for someone else to make a purchase with your watch without hacking or resorting to fingerprint facking etc.
All one has to do is wear your watch and ask u to authenticate it ... And then take your phone and walk away. He has free roam.
Same hole does not exsit for the iphone apple pay. U need autentication on ever purchase attempt.
Okay folks, if we can just pause for a second to sum up this week's arguments against the Apple Watch:
1/. There is a large proportion of the population that can remember to charge an iPhone and iPad, but are suffering from some unique, undiagnosed disorder that will specifically prevent them from remembering to charge an Apple Watch.
An iPhone and iPad do not require daily recharging. With daily use, my iPad lasts a week. My iPhone, half of a week. The Apple watch...can't last a full day. But Apple will gladly take a fool's money. Just wait until the Apple watch is a year old with half the charging capacity from that tiny battery. Then you'll hear people bitch and complain.
Incorrect. Cook clearly said an iPhone is REQUIRED. Watch it again. Hop over to ArsTech and read the article explaining that the iPhone handles all the processing for the watch. This was based on the review of the SDK. The watch would even run faster with an iPhone 6 compared to a slower iPhone 5 because the 6 could run the apps faster. The watch is just a sub display for the phone. It is a $350 brick without an iPhone.
Apple watch is in no way a brick without an iphone !
It has the S1 processor in it which is more capable than the 1st ipad. ..... And it has an accelerometer ...
It can run some apps on its own ... calendar, maps, photos, and music, some basic fitness/ activity tracking... clock and faces ..... And whatever else developers can come up with...... It can store photos and music ....
It needs an iPhone for more involved processes.. And processes that need connectivity to the net through wifi or cell .... And It needs an iphone for gps, authentication, siri...etc
Amazing how you people have no idea how the watch works. The watch does nothing without an iPhone. Even Apple Pay doesn't work because the phone processes all functions, including payments. Read something other than AppleInsider and you might actually learn something.
Not true!
Read my response to your other comment!
You need to learn a few things yourself my friend !
Amazing how you people have no idea how the watch works.
It it amazing that you don't know despite the info being given to you.
The watch does nothing without an iPhone.
I'll bet you that ?Watch does something without an iPhone tethered. And by something, I mean it has a CE utility that is independent of being tethered via BT to an iPhone.
I'm sure [@]sog35[/@] will bet you a month ban from site for that.
Even Apple Pay doesn't work because the phone processes all functions, including payments.
The iPhone is now the bank's servers processing your payments? The funniest part is that you started off saying how it's amazing others don't know how ?Watch works.
Read something other than AppleInsider and you might actually learn something.
I'd tell you to do the same, but it's probably not the reading that you're problem, it's your lack of comprehension.
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To restate: ?Watch will have many functions independent of an iPhone being tethered and ?Pay data is stored on the NFC's secure element on ?Watch which is then send via the NFC antenna to the merchant who then sends it to your bank. The iPhone is not the processor for your payments and you don't need an internet connection to make a payment.
solipsism.. That is why i said it is a tiny hole in the system..can Not be easily taken advantage of!
Im just showing how it is possible for someone else to make a purchase with your watch without hacking or resorting to fingerprint facking etc.
All one has to do is wear your watch and ask u to authenticate it ... And then take your phone and walk away. He has free roam.
Same hole does not exsit for the iphone apple pay. U need autentication on ever purchase attempt.
But that's putting it on, having someone authenticate the watch on the wrist in BT range, then making a purchase with ?Watch tethered and in range of the iPhone. I can't think of a single scenario where that could possibly be done without your knowledge.
Idiots wasting $349+ for a duplicate device is what many people see. The smart watch market is a dead one. I can pay with the iPhone using one hand. The watch requires two hands to pay. One to hold the watch over the reader and the other to double-press the side button. That's supposed to be faster? Idiots buying beer at a stadium will have to put their beer down to pay. They won't like that. Of course the watch battery will be dead by the evening sports game. Amazed you kool-aid drinkers haven't figured that out.
Hold on, everybody! Stop the discussion! He might have a point!
The Apple Watch owner is going to have to set down his beer to pay! This clearly outweighs the advantage of not having to pull his phone out of his pocket and get his finger in position! He can do that while holding his beer!
The Apple Watch is doomed! Why didn't Tim or Jony or Eddy think this through! Don't tell me they never buy their own beer at games! WTF!
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An afterthought: Maybe "Would you please push my button twice?" will become a catch phrase in years to come . . .
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Well based on those links while Apple is making the gold harder by using boron carbide they are also using less gold. I read the patent and unless I am missing something if you take the same size casing Apple is using about half the gold by volume compared to using standard alloys.
Edit: nevermind, I see. They are greatly reducing the overall density of the alloy... interesting.
A barge is sailing through the Panama Canal carrying iron ore. The barge gets closed into one of the locks. This is a very special lock as there is now a specific amount of water with egress or ingress while closed. The captain gets bitten by a mosquito which causes him to instantly go crazy and dump 2 tonnes of ore into this closed lock. Does the water level go up. go down, or stay the same?
This goes back to what I said weeks ago about assuming to know how much gold would unquestionably have to be used in the design.
Not sure I follow your rather convoluted analogy, but I get it. The new alloy is less dense allowing them to make the same part with less material (measured by mass). I missed that point before.
It's not an analogy, but rather an old but simple physics puzzle, hence the question at the end. The clue is that to solve it you need to think about the same reasoning that you missed previously about Apple's gold matrix (?Gold Plus?).
What if there are people won't buy a gold watch unless it's over a certain price?
Hello? Are you not paying attention? The watch does nothing without being tethered to an iPhone. The NFC chip in the watch only allows older iPhones to make payments. The iPhone is required to make the transaction with the cellular signal. The watch will never do it alone, ever. People can pay just as quickly with their iPhone. The watch will not make a transaction faster.
Wasting $349+ for a duplicate device is what many people see. The smart watch market is a dead one. I can pay with the iPhone using one hand. The watch requires two hands to pay. One to hold the watch over the reader and the other to double-press the side button. That's supposed to be faster? People buying beer at a stadium will have to put their beer down to pay. They won't like that. Of course the watch battery will be dead by the evening sports game.
Using two hands to pay with the watch is faster than one hand with an iPhone? Yeah, keep believing that. Apple will gladly take your money with that false statement.
Amazing how you people have no idea how the watch works. The watch does nothing without an iPhone. Even Apple Pay doesn't work because the phone processes all functions, including payments. Read something other than AppleInsider and you might actually learn something.
And the funny thing is, it isn't even an argument. It's a statement of fact. You just think it is because you're not bothering to read the context, and likely don't care.
Okay folks, if we can just pause for a second to sum up this week's arguments against the Apple Watch:
1/. There is a large proportion of the population that can remember to charge an iPhone and iPad, but are suffering from some unique, undiagnosed disorder that will specifically prevent them from remembering to charge an Apple Watch.
2/. There is a large proportion of the population that will not be able to press the large single button on the side of the Apple Watch, though they do seem to possess the dexterity to put the watch on in the first place.
3/. There is a large proportion of the population that is not only dishonest but also possesses the mutant ability to teleport the iPhone from your pocket and the Apple Watch from your wrist at the same time.
4/. There is a large proportion of the population that will charge both their iPhone and their Apple watch in coffee shops and then leave them out of sight so they can order an expresso.
5/. There is a large proportion of the population that will not buy any watch designed by a man who wears bright red socks.
6/. There is large proportion of the internet-dwelling population that will drag their mother/grandmother into an argument – and she will always be 84 years-old.
Now if you add all these large populations together then any fool can see that Apple hasn't thought this through.
Incorrect. Cook clearly said an iPhone is REQUIRED. Watch it again. Hop over to ArsTech and read the article explaining that the iPhone handles all the processing for the watch. This was based on the review of the SDK. The watch would even run faster with an iPhone 6 compared to a slower iPhone 5 because the 6 could run the apps faster. The watch is just a sub display for the phone. It is a $350 brick without an iPhone.
solipsism.. That is why i said it is a tiny hole in the system..can Not be easily taken advantage of!
Im just showing how it is possible for someone else to make a purchase with your watch without hacking or resorting to fingerprint facking etc.
All one has to do is wear your watch and ask u to authenticate it ... And then take your phone and walk away. He has free roam.
Same hole does not exsit for the iphone apple pay. U need autentication on ever purchase attempt.
An iPhone and iPad do not require daily recharging. With daily use, my iPad lasts a week. My iPhone, half of a week. The Apple watch...can't last a full day. But Apple will gladly take a fool's money. Just wait until the Apple watch is a year old with half the charging capacity from that tiny battery. Then you'll hear people bitch and complain.
Apple watch is in no way a brick without an iphone !
It has the S1 processor in it which is more capable than the 1st ipad. ..... And it has an accelerometer ...
It can run some apps on its own ... calendar, maps, photos, and music, some basic fitness/ activity tracking... clock and faces ..... And whatever else developers can come up with...... It can store photos and music ....
It needs an iPhone for more involved processes.. And processes that need connectivity to the net through wifi or cell .... And It needs an iphone for gps, authentication, siri...etc
Not true!
Read my response to your other comment!
You need to learn a few things yourself my friend !
It it amazing that you don't know despite the info being given to you.
I'll bet you that ?Watch does something without an iPhone tethered. And by something, I mean it has a CE utility that is independent of being tethered via BT to an iPhone.
I'm sure [@]sog35[/@] will bet you a month ban from site for that.
The iPhone is now the bank's servers processing your payments? The funniest part is that you started off saying how it's amazing others don't know how ?Watch works.
I'd tell you to do the same, but it's probably not the reading that you're problem, it's your lack of comprehension.
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To restate: ?Watch will have many functions independent of an iPhone being tethered and ?Pay data is stored on the NFC's secure element on ?Watch which is then send via the NFC antenna to the merchant who then sends it to your bank. The iPhone is not the processor for your payments and you don't need an internet connection to make a payment.
Those are not to be argued. Those are facts.
But that's putting it on, having someone authenticate the watch on the wrist in BT range, then making a purchase with ?Watch tethered and in range of the iPhone. I can't think of a single scenario where that could possibly be done without your knowledge.
Hold on, everybody! Stop the discussion! He might have a point!
The Apple Watch owner is going to have to set down his beer to pay! This clearly outweighs the advantage of not having to pull his phone out of his pocket and get his finger in position! He can do that while holding his beer!
The Apple Watch is doomed! Why didn't Tim or Jony or Eddy think this through! Don't tell me they never buy their own beer at games! WTF!
/s
An afterthought: Maybe "Would you please push my button twice?" will become a catch phrase in years to come . . .