And thinner and remove almost all of the ports? The new machine looks pretty incredible, but problems: Now need expensive dongle for ports and only one port. And keyboard not all that great compared to earlier models.
The obsession with thinness continues. And the product line is getting crazy. Apple used to be about simplicity. Made it easy to make a choice. Now we have so many laptop models and overlap here and there and dozens of watch combinations with straps. Oh well.
Shoppers get paralyzed with choice.
Bullshit. Most people won't need dongles. Your needs are not everyone's needs.
Also, the Airs will obviously be discontinued soon, once inventory runs out. I'm sure Apple is well aware that they do not have a place anymore.
As for the Watch, I'm glad Apple understand it's a different kind of product than what they've made in the past, much more personal, and designed it accordingly, instead of your superficial ideology which ignores the human factor, and how people will actually buy the product. I doubt shoppers will get "paralyzed" by choosing a watch strap, just as they do not get "paralyzed" while choosing clothes. The straps do not affect functionality, the choice is pretty simple- buy what you think looks nice. No need for further elaborations on specs, etc.
I can certainly see how some might be put off by the lack of ports and delay a purchase but if history has taught us anything it's that NEVER underestimate Apple and the sales they make on their products.
I'm pretty sure they meant modify the connector to that way it was Mag-safe like, but retain the USB C connector.
I honestly don't see how that could be possible since the connecter still sticks in. They could add magnets but it's simply not needed and they can't get rid of how the connector works.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with dropping older technologies to pave the way for new ones (and in this case, too!), but Apple has been willing to make modifications to the standards proposed by USB-IF in the past! Admittedly I only know of them modifying power output, not anything to do with the actual form of the connector itself.
They have, but as you say it's just power output, not the port-interface itself. The only way around this is to create a new standard and then license it for free, like they did with the mDP port interface, but USB-IF isn't nearly as accepting as VESA so I think that would just make it an Apple-only port.
Frankly, the fact that Apple is going with standardized ports with this machine is a beautiful thing. If it's worse than the MagSafe connector in its practicality, we'll have to wait and see with some YouTube videos comparing 1) how easy it is to plug-in, and 2) what happens when you trip the cable.
but anyway, IMO this MacBook is badass. Just not my cup of tea. I need a powerhouse and am constantly connecting my current mbp to external devices left and right but in another world....
I'm mostly in the same boat. It's not my cup of tea but I can't wait for most of these advancements to find their way into the MBP. I hope its sooner rather than later.
As for an external display, I don't use one, but I don't think you need to worry about the future of the MBP in that regard since USB 3.0 won't be able to do a 5K@60Hz display so they'll need to include TB3 or DP1.3 in the next ones if they plan on having a display as good or better as the Retina iMac.
PS: I can't be sure, but I'm not worried about MagSafe being removed from the MBPs. I'm guessing the power needed is too high for USB-C. Hopefully someone more familiar can either confirm that or tell me I'm wrong, with some evidence. (hint)
Look at how many iPads Apple sells and they have one port.
You also have to realize that we use the two machines in drastically different ways. As an owner of both I have a pretty good idea of why I still need a laptop at all. One of the reasons is indeed the ports. The other big one is the open OS, especially its UNiX features.
In my case the two platforms aren't even comparable. Usage is so different that the port collection on the iPad indicates nothing with respect to the laptop.
Bullshit. Most people won't need dongles. Your needs are not everyone's needs.
Also, the Airs will obviously be discontinued soon, once inventory runs out. I'm sure Apple is well aware that they do not have a place anymore.
As for the Watch, I'm glad Apple understand it's a different kind of product than what they've made in the past, much more personal, and designed it accordingly, instead of your superficial ideology which ignores the human factor, and how people will actually buy the product. I doubt shoppers will get "paralyzed" by choosing a watch strap, just as they do not get "paralyzed" while choosing clothes. The straps do not affect functionality, the choice is pretty simple- buy what you think looks nice. No need for further elaborations on specs, etc.
I'm not so sure. I think that the Air line-up will have a place. I'm wondering if the Air's might not replace the Pro line-up in the future. I have a 2013 Air and I am MORE than happy with it. It's got the right amount of ports (at least for my needs) and is the perfect size.
My guess is that the Pro line (at least the name) get dropped as well as the Air (name) gets dropped and then becomes the new Pro model.
I would have preferred a 13 inch screen as well. However, I am more curious as to the performance of the new CPU. I don't expect miracles due to the the MacBook being fan-less but would like to see where it ranks performance-wise.
Based on other Core M offerings at slower speeds something between the i3 and i5.
I see the new MacBook more as a 'concept machine' for Apple to try out new ideas/innovations that eventually make it into the MBA and MBP. My guess is that they will sell a limited number to Mac enthusiasts, but on the whole, the other laptops will sell way more units.
I've been calling it a proof of concept machine much like the original IPad was a proof of concept. In both cases the machines work as advertised but like the IPad the Mac Book will become impressive once the chips catch up. In this regard SkyLake will likely be a major improvement but the real deal will likely be a 10 nm class chip.
I wasn't clear. What I meant is that it's too bad they weren't able to combine the two. To have a USB-C AND make it a magnetic connector so it would break-away when someone comes along and trips on the cable. I happen to think that the magnetic break-away cable connector is one of the most elegant, efficient, effective and beautiful designs they ever put in a laptop. I am sad to see it go...
I wasn't clear. What I meant is that it's too bad they weren't able to combine the two. To have a USB-C AND make it a magnetic connector so it would break-away when someone comes along and trips on the cable. I happen to think that the magnetic break-away cable connector is one of the most elegant, efficient, effective and beautiful designs they ever put in a laptop. I am sad to see it go...
I trust that Apple engineers have thought about your idea. I am also sad to lose the magsafe connector.
I honestly don't see how that could be possible since the connecter still sticks in. They could add magnets but it's simply not needed and they can't get rid of how the connector works.
They have, but as you say it's just power output, not the port-interface itself. The only way around this is to create a new standard and then license it for free, like they did with the mDP port interface, but USB-IF isn't nearly as accepting as VESA so I think that would just make it an Apple-only port.
Frankly, the fact that Apple is going with standardized ports with this machine is a beautiful thing. If it's worse than the MagSafe connector in its practicality, we'll have to wait and see with some YouTube videos comparing 1) how easy it is to plug-in, and 2) what happens when you trip the cable.
I'm mostly in the same boat. It's not my cup of tea but I can't wait for most of these advancements to find their way into the MBP. I hope its sooner rather than later. As for an external display, I don't use one, but I don't think you need to worry about the future of the MBP in that regard since USB 3.0 won't be able to do a 5K@60Hz display so they'll need to include TB3 or DP1.3 in the next ones if they plan on having a display as good or better as the Retina iMac.
PS: I can't be sure, but I'm not worried about MagSafe being removed from the MBPs. I'm guessing the power needed is too high for USB-C. Hopefully someone more familiar can either confirm that or tell me I'm wrong, with some evidence. (hint)
USB 3.1 with Type C supports 100W, so it can work for the MBP since I believe those use an 85W MagSafe currently.
Indeed. I can count on one hand the number of times MagSafe has saved my laptops over the past 5 years as a result of tripping. Meanwhile, I'd need a supercomputer to calculate the number of times MagSafe has disconnected when I didn't want it to. I'm actually looking forward to having an Apple laptop with a persistent power cord. (I pre-ordered my 512Gb Gold 12" MacBook today.)
USB 3.1 with Type C supports 100W, so it can work for the MBP since I believe those use an 85W MagSafe currently.
1) Well there you go. I guess MagSafe is in jeopardy of being dropped from their entire notebook line
2) I agree with others that it would suck to have that removed from the MBP line, but I don't think it's a deal breaker, and it'll be nice to have PSU with a USB-A port* that can be used for other devices, and replace the cable at will without any real expense.
3) Finally a universal plug for nearly all CE. I think that's a pretty good trade off, all things considered.
4) Can you charge the new MB in a car. Is that power draw too high for a car's 12V charger? If not, would it also be fine for a MBP with a USB-C connector?
* Does the new MB PSU have a USB-A port? I assume it will, but why not go with USB-C on all the PSUs so the USB cables are USB-C connectors on both ends.
I can make a case for this computer. Apple wanted to respond to the growing demand for the surface. They released a laptop with the same screen size, but made it thinner and with a few better specs. The lack of inputs is Apples way of forcing change.. They're still offering the air to give people choice but putting new features in the MacBook like retina and force touch to increase adoption. The lack of mag safe is because in apple fashion they want to converge them all and feel justified now that there's all day battery life. You won't trip over the cord if you're only charging at night. Plus, hard drives will arrive that can power the laptop when plugged in, and apple is planning for the 90% of use cases. Is there a way to work off of a wireless hard drive, not just using one as a backup? Less wires is the future, and apple is in a position to say they were first without sacrificing the options for the consumer by having the sought after model and the practical models available. Apple has so much money that this laptop could be nothing more than associating there name with innovation and cutting edge concepts. But either way, we have an excellent choice here in the new MacBook.
You also have to realize that we use the two machines in drastically different ways. As an owner of both I have a pretty good idea of why I still need a laptop at all. One of the reasons is indeed the ports. The other big one is the open OS, especially its UNiX features.
In my case the two platforms aren't even comparable. Usage is so different that the port collection on the iPad indicates nothing with respect to the laptop.
I guess I'm referring to people more like me. I hardly ever use a laptop at all outside of work. It's just my iPad. But I love this new MacBook and am tempted to get one. If I do my iPad will see far less usage.
1) Well there you go. I guess MagSafe is in jeopardy of being dropped from their entire notebook line
2) I agree with others that it would suck to have that removed from the MBP line, but I don't think it's a deal breaker, and it'll be nice to have PSU with a USB-A port* that can be used for other devices, and replace the cable at will without any real expense.
3) Finally a universal plug for nearly all CE. I think that's a pretty good trade off, all things considered.
4) Can you charge the new MB in a car. Is that power draw too high for a car's 12V charger? If not, would it also be fine for a MBP with a USB-C connector?
* Does the new MB PSU have a USB-A port? I assume it will, but why not go with USB-C on all the PSUs so the USB cables are USB-C connectors on both ends.
The new MB power brick is basically an iPad brick. And since I can charge my iPad at 2.1A in my 12v car socket, unless the MB draws a lot more amperage you should be good. However, Apple's website says it's a USB-C adapter, so...
I'm not so sure. I think that the Air line-up will have a place. I'm wondering if the Air's might not replace the Pro line-up in the future. I have a 2013 Air and I am MORE than happy with it. It's got the right amount of ports (at least for my needs) and is the perfect size.
My guess is that the Pro line (at least the name) get dropped as well as the Air (name) gets dropped and then becomes the new Pro model.
Either way it's a great time to be an apple fan
Agreed. Apple adding the new trackpad to the 13" MBP is a telling sign as well. The Pro will go the way of the Air as soon as it's technically feasible. Airs were kept around because this new MacBook is more of a concept design at this point and Apple didn't want piss off tons of customers that still need many ports. IMO this new iPad is a technical marvel and one of the most beautiful computers Apple has ever designed. I can just imagine Steve on stage showing this puppy off beaming with pride.
The new MB power brick is basically an iPad brick. And since I can charge my iPad at 2.1A in my 12v car socket, unless the MB draws a lot more amperage you should be good. However, Apple's website says it's a USB-C adapter, so...
The new charger is 29 Watts, the iPad is 10 Watts. You likely can as 29 watt is not a lot, but it will be a tiny bit bigger than an iPad charger.
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And thinner and remove almost all of the ports? The new machine looks pretty incredible, but problems: Now need expensive dongle for ports and only one port. And keyboard not all that great compared to earlier models.
The obsession with thinness continues. And the product line is getting crazy. Apple used to be about simplicity. Made it easy to make a choice. Now we have so many laptop models and overlap here and there and dozens of watch combinations with straps. Oh well.
Shoppers get paralyzed with choice.
Bullshit. Most people won't need dongles. Your needs are not everyone's needs.
Also, the Airs will obviously be discontinued soon, once inventory runs out. I'm sure Apple is well aware that they do not have a place anymore.
As for the Watch, I'm glad Apple understand it's a different kind of product than what they've made in the past, much more personal, and designed it accordingly, instead of your superficial ideology which ignores the human factor, and how people will actually buy the product. I doubt shoppers will get "paralyzed" by choosing a watch strap, just as they do not get "paralyzed" while choosing clothes. The straps do not affect functionality, the choice is pretty simple- buy what you think looks nice. No need for further elaborations on specs, etc.
I can certainly see how some might be put off by the lack of ports and delay a purchase but if history has taught us anything it's that NEVER underestimate Apple and the sales they make on their products.
I honestly don't see how that could be possible since the connecter still sticks in. They could add magnets but it's simply not needed and they can't get rid of how the connector works.
They have, but as you say it's just power output, not the port-interface itself. The only way around this is to create a new standard and then license it for free, like they did with the mDP port interface, but USB-IF isn't nearly as accepting as VESA so I think that would just make it an Apple-only port.
Frankly, the fact that Apple is going with standardized ports with this machine is a beautiful thing. If it's worse than the MagSafe connector in its practicality, we'll have to wait and see with some YouTube videos comparing 1) how easy it is to plug-in, and 2) what happens when you trip the cable.
I'm mostly in the same boat. It's not my cup of tea but I can't wait for most of these advancements to find their way into the MBP. I hope its sooner rather than later.
As for an external display, I don't use one, but I don't think you need to worry about the future of the MBP in that regard since USB 3.0 won't be able to do a 5K@60Hz display so they'll need to include TB3 or DP1.3 in the next ones if they plan on having a display as good or better as the Retina iMac.
PS: I can't be sure, but I'm not worried about MagSafe being removed from the MBPs. I'm guessing the power needed is too high for USB-C. Hopefully someone more familiar can either confirm that or tell me I'm wrong, with some evidence. (hint)
You also have to realize that we use the two machines in drastically different ways. As an owner of both I have a pretty good idea of why I still need a laptop at all. One of the reasons is indeed the ports. The other big one is the open OS, especially its UNiX features.
In my case the two platforms aren't even comparable. Usage is so different that the port collection on the iPad indicates nothing with respect to the laptop.
Bullshit. Most people won't need dongles. Your needs are not everyone's needs.
Also, the Airs will obviously be discontinued soon, once inventory runs out. I'm sure Apple is well aware that they do not have a place anymore.
As for the Watch, I'm glad Apple understand it's a different kind of product than what they've made in the past, much more personal, and designed it accordingly, instead of your superficial ideology which ignores the human factor, and how people will actually buy the product. I doubt shoppers will get "paralyzed" by choosing a watch strap, just as they do not get "paralyzed" while choosing clothes. The straps do not affect functionality, the choice is pretty simple- buy what you think looks nice. No need for further elaborations on specs, etc.
I'm not so sure. I think that the Air line-up will have a place. I'm wondering if the Air's might not replace the Pro line-up in the future. I have a 2013 Air and I am MORE than happy with it. It's got the right amount of ports (at least for my needs) and is the perfect size.
My guess is that the Pro line (at least the name) get dropped as well as the Air (name) gets dropped and then becomes the new Pro model.
Either way it's a great time to be an apple fan
And soon to be a one-dollar and change on Monoprice.com
That's an important distinction I haven't yet seen. You do no longer need a proprietary charging device. Any powered USB outlet will work.
YOU CAN EVEN CHARGE THIS MAC IN THE CAR WITHOUT A POWER INVERTER!!!
I would have preferred a 13 inch screen as well. However, I am more curious as to the performance of the new CPU. I don't expect miracles due to the the MacBook being fan-less but would like to see where it ranks performance-wise.
Based on other Core M offerings at slower speeds something between the i3 and i5.
I've been calling it a proof of concept machine much like the original IPad was a proof of concept. In both cases the machines work as advertised but like the IPad the Mac Book will become impressive once the chips catch up. In this regard SkyLake will likely be a major improvement but the real deal will likely be a 10 nm class chip.
I wasn't clear. What I meant is that it's too bad they weren't able to combine the two. To have a USB-C AND make it a magnetic connector so it would break-away when someone comes along and trips on the cable. I happen to think that the magnetic break-away cable connector is one of the most elegant, efficient, effective and beautiful designs they ever put in a laptop. I am sad to see it go...
I wasn't clear. What I meant is that it's too bad they weren't able to combine the two. To have a USB-C AND make it a magnetic connector so it would break-away when someone comes along and trips on the cable. I happen to think that the magnetic break-away cable connector is one of the most elegant, efficient, effective and beautiful designs they ever put in a laptop. I am sad to see it go...
I trust that Apple engineers have thought about your idea. I am also sad to lose the magsafe connector.
I honestly don't see how that could be possible since the connecter still sticks in. They could add magnets but it's simply not needed and they can't get rid of how the connector works.
They have, but as you say it's just power output, not the port-interface itself. The only way around this is to create a new standard and then license it for free, like they did with the mDP port interface, but USB-IF isn't nearly as accepting as VESA so I think that would just make it an Apple-only port.
Frankly, the fact that Apple is going with standardized ports with this machine is a beautiful thing. If it's worse than the MagSafe connector in its practicality, we'll have to wait and see with some YouTube videos comparing 1) how easy it is to plug-in, and 2) what happens when you trip the cable.
I'm mostly in the same boat. It's not my cup of tea but I can't wait for most of these advancements to find their way into the MBP. I hope its sooner rather than later. As for an external display, I don't use one, but I don't think you need to worry about the future of the MBP in that regard since USB 3.0 won't be able to do a 5K@60Hz display so they'll need to include TB3 or DP1.3 in the next ones if they plan on having a display as good or better as the Retina iMac.
PS: I can't be sure, but I'm not worried about MagSafe being removed from the MBPs. I'm guessing the power needed is too high for USB-C. Hopefully someone more familiar can either confirm that or tell me I'm wrong, with some evidence. (hint)
USB 3.1 with Type C supports 100W, so it can work for the MBP since I believe those use an 85W MagSafe currently.
I love MagSafe, but it has faults too.
Indeed. I can count on one hand the number of times MagSafe has saved my laptops over the past 5 years as a result of tripping. Meanwhile, I'd need a supercomputer to calculate the number of times MagSafe has disconnected when I didn't want it to. I'm actually looking forward to having an Apple laptop with a persistent power cord. (I pre-ordered my 512Gb Gold 12" MacBook today.)
1) Well there you go. I guess MagSafe is in jeopardy of being dropped from their entire notebook line
2) I agree with others that it would suck to have that removed from the MBP line, but I don't think it's a deal breaker, and it'll be nice to have PSU with a USB-A port* that can be used for other devices, and replace the cable at will without any real expense.
3) Finally a universal plug for nearly all CE. I think that's a pretty good trade off, all things considered.
4) Can you charge the new MB in a car. Is that power draw too high for a car's 12V charger? If not, would it also be fine for a MBP with a USB-C connector?
* Does the new MB PSU have a USB-A port? I assume it will, but why not go with USB-C on all the PSUs so the USB cables are USB-C connectors on both ends.
I guess I'm referring to people more like me. I hardly ever use a laptop at all outside of work. It's just my iPad. But I love this new MacBook and am tempted to get one. If I do my iPad will see far less usage.
1) Well there you go. I guess MagSafe is in jeopardy of being dropped from their entire notebook line
2) I agree with others that it would suck to have that removed from the MBP line, but I don't think it's a deal breaker, and it'll be nice to have PSU with a USB-A port* that can be used for other devices, and replace the cable at will without any real expense.
3) Finally a universal plug for nearly all CE. I think that's a pretty good trade off, all things considered.
4) Can you charge the new MB in a car. Is that power draw too high for a car's 12V charger? If not, would it also be fine for a MBP with a USB-C connector?
* Does the new MB PSU have a USB-A port? I assume it will, but why not go with USB-C on all the PSUs so the USB cables are USB-C connectors on both ends.
The new MB power brick is basically an iPad brick. And since I can charge my iPad at 2.1A in my 12v car socket, unless the MB draws a lot more amperage you should be good. However, Apple's website says it's a USB-C adapter, so...
Agreed. Apple adding the new trackpad to the 13" MBP is a telling sign as well. The Pro will go the way of the Air as soon as it's technically feasible. Airs were kept around because this new MacBook is more of a concept design at this point and Apple didn't want piss off tons of customers that still need many ports. IMO this new iPad is a technical marvel and one of the most beautiful computers Apple has ever designed. I can just imagine Steve on stage showing this puppy off beaming with pride.
The new MB power brick is basically an iPad brick. And since I can charge my iPad at 2.1A in my 12v car socket, unless the MB draws a lot more amperage you should be good. However, Apple's website says it's a USB-C adapter, so...
The new charger is 29 Watts, the iPad is 10 Watts. You likely can as 29 watt is not a lot, but it will be a tiny bit bigger than an iPad charger.
Just get a real computer with real power and ports: MacBook Air.
Just get a real computer with real power and ports: MacBook Air Pro.