I'm in the opposite situation. I bought an iPad Mini. Tis a $500 calendar and reminder. It's great at that and I like the size. But when I think about it now...for only a few hundred dollars more I could have had a real OS and a real filing system. Next time one of my kids needs a gift they get my iPad and I get a real operating system.
"Whatever happens, I hope this'll mean Apple gets over its obsession with thin and start making laptops that are more feature-rich and less port-poor. Every time I think of getting a MacBook Air, I end up asking myself if there's that much difference between it an my iPad with a keyboard. I draw a blank."
I'm in the opposite situation. I bought an iPad Mini. Tis a $500 calendar and reminder. It's great at that and I like the size. But when I think about it now...for only a few hundred dollars more I could have had a real OS and a real filing system. Next time one of my kids needs a gift they get my iPad and I get a real operating system.
I use my full size iPad nearly as much as my iMac these days. It's one of the best computers I've ever owned.
He needs to be removed from UI design. And yes, it's clear that he sucks at it. He put print marketing people on the job, taking it from Apple's UI team. Ludicrous.
If you like change for the sake of change, and you're not a usability of UI specialist, of course you like all this flat nonsense and think it's just fine (especially if you didn't need to learn iOS or touch-based mobile interfaces for the first time on iOS 7 or 8). Consumers aren't human interface experts. The majority of sales were likely upgraders and new buyers who bought into the iOS platform based on the good name and reputation Apple built prior to Ive screwing things up on iOS 7.
But keep mindlessly using sales figures to deny that the GUI design change had any negative impact at all. It takes time to burn a good reputation and it'll take one competitor to remember good design in order for every consumer wanting "change" to go flocking to something easier to look at, nicer to look at, and easier to intuit functionality. It might take a while, though, with all the lack of choice out there in flat-obsessed tech land.
So ignore sales data because it doesn't match your "analysis"?
"Whatever happens, I hope this'll mean Apple gets over its obsession with thin and start making laptops that are more feature-rich and less port-poor. Every time I think of getting a MacBook Air, I end up asking myself if there's that much difference between it an my iPad with a keyboard. I draw a blank."
I'm in the opposite situation. I bought an iPad Mini. Tis a $500 calendar and reminder. It's great at that and I like the size. But when I think about it now...for only a few hundred dollars more I could have had a real OS and a real filing system. Next time one of my kids needs a gift they get my iPad and I get a real operating system.
For the same price as an iPad, you can buy a Microsoft Surface 3, with a real operating system, along with all the fun and headaches of fixing everything yourself: file management, device drivers, registry hacks, antivirus scanning, and endless patching.
Personally I think the exact opposite. If Ive had one foot out the door and was thinking about retirement there would be no reason for Apple to promote him and create a new C-level position within the company. What's the point of creating a Chief Design Officer role if Ive is going to be gone in a year or two?
Anybody who believes Ben Thompson needs to see the damn story and photos in The Telegraph, where Cook and Ive TOGETHER SPEND AN HOUR with Stephen Fry, tramping around the new Apple campus construction. Does that look like anybody on his "way out"?
The guy's got something wrong with his left arm. He should have that looked at......all that money he makes and he can't afford a good physical therapist.....?
If you're doing a stand-up in the men's room and holding on to whatever it is you hold on to (not the water pipe), does that mean you have something wrong?
He needs to be removed from UI design. And yes, it's clear that he sucks at it. He put print marketing people on the job, taking it from Apple's UI team. Ludicrous.
If you like change for the sake of change, and you're not a usability of UI specialist, of course you like all this flat nonsense and think it's just fine (especially if you didn't need to learn iOS or touch-based mobile interfaces for the first time on iOS 7 or 8). Consumers aren't human interface experts. The majority of sales were likely upgraders and new buyers who bought into the iOS platform based on the good name and reputation Apple built prior to Ive screwing things up on iOS 7.
But keep mindlessly using sales figures to deny that the GUI design change had any negative impact at all. It takes time to burn a good reputation and it'll take one competitor to remember good design in order for every consumer wanting "change" to go flocking to something easier to look at, nicer to look at, and easier to intuit functionality. It might take a while, though, with all the lack of choice out there in flat-obsessed tech land.
doom! doOooooOOmm!!
newsflash -- consumers dont flock to apple devices because they're wanting change. probably the opposite in fact, people like the familiar.
I don't really like iOS 7/8 UX design at all. I miss the good old days where you could easily see the difference between commands, links, and actions. Not so with iOS 7. I had to turn on "Button shapes" so they could be obvious. And it's way too FLAT. I was expecting textures and nice contrasting colors, not neon, low contrasty colors.
Unfortunately that was spreaded to Mac OS too.
Yosemity was a BIG step in the wrong direction.
So I'm using Mavericks and I'm still using iTunes 10.7 because the usability degraded. A lot...
It sounds like he's starting to take on the role of what Steve Jobs used to do.
Steve did three things:
1.) Make things insanely simple and iconic
2.) Charge appropriately for it
3.) Design for insatiable
This is hard (and not hard) to do. You really need to keep your head. Steve really drive towards simplicity. You'd want a device so simple you didn't have to read a book on it. It was a guideline. Not all of Apple's products are easy to use, like iTunes. (iTunes is not hard, but it is complex, and maybe unavoidable.)
That is hard. But iTunes, as bad as it used to be, used to be a lot easier.
I actually avoid iTunes as much as possible. Sync the music maybe once a month. A dreadful experience.
That is hard. But iTunes, as bad as it used to be, used to be a lot easier.
I actually avoid iTunes as much as possible. Sync the music maybe once a month. A dreadful experience.
iTunes is an outlier.... and hopefully this WWDC they will improve things. I think they would do much better if they broke it down into several specialized apps.
I wonder if the obviously designed arm positions are meant to convey some psychological clues. Dye, arms cross tightly over chest, and unusual medieval sword and shield position from Ive, and a self explanatory, protect the family jewels form Howarth.
It doesn't work for your side of the argument either. I used Yosemite for two weeks and went back to Mavericks. The look of Yosemite is awful ( in my opinion ) and it feels like its still half baked. I've been using Apple computers since OS7 and this is the first release, appearance wise, that I really don't like.
He needs to be removed from UI design. And yes, it's clear that he sucks at it. He put print marketing people on the job, taking it from Apple's UI team. Ludicrous.
If you like change for the sake of change, and you're not a usability of UI specialist, of course you like all this flat nonsense and think it's just fine (especially if you didn't need to learn iOS or touch-based mobile interfaces for the first time on iOS 7 or 8). Consumers aren't human interface experts. The majority of sales were likely upgraders and new buyers who bought into the iOS platform based on the good name and reputation Apple built prior to Ive screwing things up on iOS 7.
But keep mindlessly using sales figures to deny that the GUI design change had any negative impact at all. It takes time to burn a good reputation and it'll take one competitor to remember good design in order for every consumer wanting "change" to go flocking to something easier to look at, nicer to look at, and easier to intuit functionality. It might take a while, though, with all the lack of choice out there in flat-obsessed tech land.
They definitely need a chief Software/Services Officer to improve the quality of many pieces of IOS and OSX. It wouldn't hurt to limit the number of new features in the next release to get things like Maps, Safari, SIRI, iCloud, iTunes, etc. working top-notch not just Beta level.
(And its not just my experience because I've heard several users on the AppleInsider podcast say similar things). Apple was always about ease-of-use and it-just-works perfectly. They need to get back to that. I would be as happy with my phone with IOS on an HTC ONE as with the iPhone6.
I see this idiot Brian Hall (who used to write for Techpinions and I think sometimes Macworld) wrote a blog post saying this was Tim Cook getting Jony Ive out of the way. Well if that was Cook's intention I certainly think there are other ways to go about doing it besides a promotion and creating a new C-suite level executive position.
Quite honestly I think this is Cook ensuring Ive doesn't retire by doing what he did with Bob Mansfield - letting Ive write his own ticket at Apple. I mean there's no reason for Ive to be involved in the new campus other than he wants to be and he knows Steve would have been were he still alive. Same thing with Apple stores.
Bottom line: you don't create a new C-Suite level position for someone you know is planning to leave or you're trying to manage out of the company. And the board would never sign off on it.
Quite honestly I think this is Cook ensuring Ive doesn't retire by doing what he did with Bob Mansfield - letting Ive write his own ticket at Apple. I mean there's no reason for Ive to be involved in the new campus other than he wants to be and he knows Steve would have been were he still alive. Same thing with Apple stores.
Couldn't agree with you more. This is what Ive wants to be doing with his life, in his own words. Apple is his tool to change the world.
I have to wonder if Steve Jobs wife had a hand in this change. She was quoted extensively in the New Yorker article and made a comment about if there couldn't be a structure that was more sustainable. I wouldn't be surprised if she nudged Cook in this direction.
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I'm in the opposite situation. I bought an iPad Mini. Tis a $500 calendar and reminder. It's great at that and I like the size. But when I think about it now...for only a few hundred dollars more I could have had a real OS and a real filing system. Next time one of my kids needs a gift they get my iPad and I get a real operating system.
Or you could actually learn how to use the iPad.
I use my full size iPad nearly as much as my iMac these days. It's one of the best computers I've ever owned.
So ignore sales data because it doesn't match your "analysis"?
If upgraders hated ios 7/8, why'd they upgrade?
Not saying you think this but I think some times US titles confuse when viewed by folks in different countries
Yes, the uptake of correct English in America is very hit and miss and has been terribly distorted over time.
For the same price as an iPad, you can buy a Microsoft Surface 3, with a real operating system, along with all the fun and headaches of fixing everything yourself: file management, device drivers, registry hacks, antivirus scanning, and endless patching.
Anybody who believes Ben Thompson needs to see the damn story and photos in The Telegraph, where Cook and Ive TOGETHER SPEND AN HOUR with Stephen Fry, tramping around the new Apple campus construction. Does that look like anybody on his "way out"?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/11628710/When-Stephen-Fry-met-Jony-Ive-the-self-confessed-fanboi-meets-Apples-newly-promoted-chief-design-officer.html
If you're doing a stand-up in the men's room and holding on to whatever it is you hold on to (not the water pipe), does that mean you have something wrong?
doom! doOooooOOmm!!
newsflash -- consumers dont flock to apple devices because they're wanting change. probably the opposite in fact, people like the familiar.
I don't really like iOS 7/8 UX design at all. I miss the good old days where you could easily see the difference between commands, links, and actions. Not so with iOS 7. I had to turn on "Button shapes" so they could be obvious. And it's way too FLAT. I was expecting textures and nice contrasting colors, not neon, low contrasty colors.
Unfortunately that was spreaded to Mac OS too.
Yosemity was a BIG step in the wrong direction.
So I'm using Mavericks and I'm still using iTunes 10.7 because the usability degraded. A lot...
It sounds like he's starting to take on the role of what Steve Jobs used to do.
Steve did three things:
1.) Make things insanely simple and iconic
2.) Charge appropriately for it
3.) Design for insatiable
This is hard (and not hard) to do. You really need to keep your head. Steve really drive towards simplicity. You'd want a device so simple you didn't have to read a book on it. It was a guideline. Not all of Apple's products are easy to use, like iTunes. (iTunes is not hard, but it is complex, and maybe unavoidable.)
That is hard. But iTunes, as bad as it used to be, used to be a lot easier.
I actually avoid iTunes as much as possible. Sync the music maybe once a month. A dreadful experience.
That is hard. But iTunes, as bad as it used to be, used to be a lot easier.
I actually avoid iTunes as much as possible. Sync the music maybe once a month. A dreadful experience.
iTunes is an outlier.... and hopefully this WWDC they will improve things. I think they would do much better if they broke it down into several specialized apps.
I wonder if the obviously designed arm positions are meant to convey some psychological clues. Dye, arms cross tightly over chest, and unusual medieval sword and shield position from Ive, and a self explanatory, protect the family jewels form Howarth.
It doesn't work for your side of the argument either. I used Yosemite for two weeks and went back to Mavericks. The look of Yosemite is awful ( in my opinion ) and it feels like its still half baked. I've been using Apple computers since OS7 and this is the first release, appearance wise, that I really don't like.
He needs to be removed from UI design. And yes, it's clear that he sucks at it. He put print marketing people on the job, taking it from Apple's UI team. Ludicrous.
If you like change for the sake of change, and you're not a usability of UI specialist, of course you like all this flat nonsense and think it's just fine (especially if you didn't need to learn iOS or touch-based mobile interfaces for the first time on iOS 7 or 8). Consumers aren't human interface experts. The majority of sales were likely upgraders and new buyers who bought into the iOS platform based on the good name and reputation Apple built prior to Ive screwing things up on iOS 7.
But keep mindlessly using sales figures to deny that the GUI design change had any negative impact at all. It takes time to burn a good reputation and it'll take one competitor to remember good design in order for every consumer wanting "change" to go flocking to something easier to look at, nicer to look at, and easier to intuit functionality. It might take a while, though, with all the lack of choice out there in flat-obsessed tech land.
They definitely need a chief Software/Services Officer to improve the quality of many pieces of IOS and OSX. It wouldn't hurt to limit the number of new features in the next release to get things like Maps, Safari, SIRI, iCloud, iTunes, etc. working top-notch not just Beta level.
(And its not just my experience because I've heard several users on the AppleInsider podcast say similar things). Apple was always about ease-of-use and it-just-works perfectly. They need to get back to that. I would be as happy with my phone with IOS on an HTC ONE as with the iPhone6.
Quite honestly I think this is Cook ensuring Ive doesn't retire by doing what he did with Bob Mansfield - letting Ive write his own ticket at Apple. I mean there's no reason for Ive to be involved in the new campus other than he wants to be and he knows Steve would have been were he still alive. Same thing with Apple stores.
Bottom line: you don't create a new C-Suite level position for someone you know is planning to leave or you're trying to manage out of the company. And the board would never sign off on it.
Couldn't agree with you more. This is what Ive wants to be doing with his life, in his own words. Apple is his tool to change the world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/11230522/Apples-Sir-Jony-Ive-interview-Bad-design-is-offensive.html
how, exactly? I must be doing something wrong, I've never noticed my degraded usability and continue to use Yosemite machines for my workhorses.
Unfortunately that was spreaded to Mac OS too.
Yosemity was a BIG step in the wrong direction.
So I'm using Mavericks and I'm still using iTunes 10.7 because the usability degraded. A lot...
Claims without data to back it up is nothing more than just a troll.
I have to wonder if Steve Jobs wife had a hand in this change. She was quoted extensively in the New Yorker article and made a comment about if there couldn't be a structure that was more sustainable. I wouldn't be surprised if she nudged Cook in this direction.
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