I'd have to wonder how any "confederate flag" games would have wound up in the App store in the first place. I could understand the boatloads of shovelware on Google Play getting a "everything with the confederate flag getting pulled" without verification.
Games that depict the US civil war are probably justified. Anything post-civil war is certainly racist. The Dukes of Hazzard... uh... never mind the fact that that any use of it is certainly unauthorized, is probably one of the few uses that wasn't intended to be racist.
Yep. Outside the context of that historical context, the flag should not exist and represents hatred, racism, and bigotry. Hilarious to see people pretending to be outraged and emotionally hurt by taking down the flag, when in reality, the reason they're upset is that they agree with what it represents, and have zero sympathy for the victims.
We white guys have to own this demented psychological emergency,
Oh? So when do we hold all Muslims accountable for the Tsarnaevs? For 9/11? For ISIS? Because that'd be the natural companion of claiming "all white guys" are responsible for a psychopath.
Everything White Falcon has stated lately has been pretty scummy, even if he somehow doesn't realize it. A tweet is suddenly "SEE LOOK LIBERALS ARE BAD TOO" counter-argument to a mass murderer. That's what happens when ideology trumps reason, sympathy, and humanity. It's the same reason he states that Tim Cook needs to go, and pretending that any issues he has with Apple or its products is a direct result of Cook's sexuality or his advocacy, and that this is preventing Cook from "focusing on the business" even with all the evidence to the contrary. The height of bigotry. People like the White Falcon would have zero issues with Cook's tweets if they were advocating for less gun legislation, for example. But because he's saying something they don't like, they fantasize that he's harming Apple and business.
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The ideology pushed here trumps reason and common sense, as well as reality. That doesn't seem to stop you.
... I don't think Apple would just remove a flag for the sake of removing the flag. ...
It's strange you'd say that, since that's exactly what they did. Then they encountered a storm of criticism and relented a bit. Personally I have no fondness for the confederate flag, but Apple is getting far too anxious to swing its enormous clout like a political billy club. Too much of that and you start to look like a bully. None of us has the right to erase history by removing all references to an ideology that you view with repugnance. And there's additionally a whiff here of the desire to make current wrongheaded people into unpersons. This is the path that tyrants tread. And they often start with laudable ideals.
Yep. Outside the context of that historical context, the flag should not exist and represents hatred, racism, and bigotry. Hilarious to see people pretending to be outraged and emotionally hurt by taking down the flag, when in reality, the reason they're upset is that they agree with what it represents, and have zero sympathy for the victims.
Ah yes, the threat of unwelcome association. "If you stand stand X, you have to be in repugnant group Y." I haven't heard someone make that argument since 3rd grade. The only truth you've illuminated is your own lack of empathy. I have no fondness for the confederate flag or for white supremacists. But doing something wrong in the name of a high ideal is still doing something wrong. Period.
Ah yes, the threat of unwelcome association. "If you stand stand X, you have to be in repugnant group Y." I haven't heard someone make that argument since 3rd grade. The only truth you've illuminated is your own lack of empathy. I have no fondness for the confederate flag or for white supremacists. But doing something wrong in the name of a high ideal is still doing something wrong. Period.
It's sort of like..."if you're not with us, you're against us."
Knee jerk reaction like the national park service announcing Gettysburg National Park will close until all Confederate marks are removed.. Part of history you can't scrub it away or hide it be hide a new computerized flag Apple!
I'd have to wonder how any "confederate flag" games would have wound up in the App store in the first place. I could understand the boatloads of shovelware on Google Play getting a "everything with the confederate flag getting pulled" without verification.
Games that depict the US civil war are probably justified. Anything post-civil war is certainly racist. The Dukes of Hazzard... uh... never mind the fact that that any use of it is certainly unauthorized, is probably one of the few uses that wasn't intended to be racist.
... I thought most guys watched because of Daisy?!
Not to derail the thread, but I think to appease some of the LGBT haters the SCROTUS might look into expanding marriage to cars for some people. How ironic that many (most?) men have always given female names to their cars (I've been with Lola, Kate... and a frisky, beautiful dark "negro" topless dancer I simply called Gorgeous!)... yet, the Southern Folk have an affinity for a guy called "General Lee"? Would it then be a a gay-car marriage?
Well, that's more like it. Kudos to Apple for not being insane (everyone can make a mistake, only idiots persist...). Kudos to the developer for standing their ground even though it hurt their baseline way more than Apple's
As a non American, this seems a little odd to me. As if a flag would make people racists. You could ban all those flags and probably there would be some more racists than before - because people would blame 'the others' for forbidding their culture and heritage.
As a non American, this seems a little odd to me. As if a flag would make people racists. You could ban all those flags and probably there would be some more racists than before - because people would blame 'the others' for forbidding their culture and heritage.
Symbols are their own thing, once they've been co-opted.
If you wear a swastika t-shirt here in Germany, you'll get into trouble, even if you argue til the cows come home that it's a Buddhist peace symbol.
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It's justified, if over-reactionary.
I'd have to wonder how any "confederate flag" games would have wound up in the App store in the first place. I could understand the boatloads of shovelware on Google Play getting a "everything with the confederate flag getting pulled" without verification.
Games that depict the US civil war are probably justified. Anything post-civil war is certainly racist. The Dukes of Hazzard... uh... never mind the fact that that any use of it is certainly unauthorized, is probably one of the few uses that wasn't intended to be racist.
Yep. Outside the context of that historical context, the flag should not exist and represents hatred, racism, and bigotry. Hilarious to see people pretending to be outraged and emotionally hurt by taking down the flag, when in reality, the reason they're upset is that they agree with what it represents, and have zero sympathy for the victims.
The hilarious thing is all these people who are "over reacting" by calling Apple "over reactionary".
To me it makes perfect sense.
Quickly pull every App in question, and then quickly sort through them all to separate wheat from chaff. Put the good ones back up.
Done.
Now STFU.
Sounds reasonable, except for foaming-at-the-mouth right wing zealots.
We've read the last page of the Good Book.. And those that reject Jesus and His teaching will be cast into eternal fire.
If they're no longer there how could I possibly?
Totally fair. Good call.
Yep!
We white guys have to own this demented psychological emergency,
Oh? So when do we hold all Muslims accountable for the Tsarnaevs? For 9/11? For ISIS? Because that'd be the natural companion of claiming "all white guys" are responsible for a psychopath.
Do you work for Salon?
Everything White Falcon has stated lately has been pretty scummy, even if he somehow doesn't realize it. A tweet is suddenly "SEE LOOK LIBERALS ARE BAD TOO" counter-argument to a mass murderer. That's what happens when ideology trumps reason, sympathy, and humanity. It's the same reason he states that Tim Cook needs to go, and pretending that any issues he has with Apple or its products is a direct result of Cook's sexuality or his advocacy, and that this is preventing Cook from "focusing on the business" even with all the evidence to the contrary. The height of bigotry. People like the White Falcon would have zero issues with Cook's tweets if they were advocating for less gun legislation, for example. But because he's saying something they don't like, they fantasize that he's harming Apple and business.
That's The White Falcon to you, mister.
The ideology pushed here trumps reason and common sense, as well as reality. That doesn't seem to stop you.
... I don't think Apple would just remove a flag for the sake of removing the flag. ...
It's strange you'd say that, since that's exactly what they did. Then they encountered a storm of criticism and relented a bit. Personally I have no fondness for the confederate flag, but Apple is getting far too anxious to swing its enormous clout like a political billy club. Too much of that and you start to look like a bully. None of us has the right to erase history by removing all references to an ideology that you view with repugnance. And there's additionally a whiff here of the desire to make current wrongheaded people into unpersons. This is the path that tyrants tread. And they often start with laudable ideals.
Yep. Outside the context of that historical context, the flag should not exist and represents hatred, racism, and bigotry. Hilarious to see people pretending to be outraged and emotionally hurt by taking down the flag, when in reality, the reason they're upset is that they agree with what it represents, and have zero sympathy for the victims.
Ah yes, the threat of unwelcome association. "If you stand stand X, you have to be in repugnant group Y." I haven't heard someone make that argument since 3rd grade. The only truth you've illuminated is your own lack of empathy. I have no fondness for the confederate flag or for white supremacists. But doing something wrong in the name of a high ideal is still doing something wrong. Period.
Ah yes, the threat of unwelcome association. "If you stand stand X, you have to be in repugnant group Y." I haven't heard someone make that argument since 3rd grade. The only truth you've illuminated is your own lack of empathy. I have no fondness for the confederate flag or for white supremacists. But doing something wrong in the name of a high ideal is still doing something wrong. Period.
It's sort of like..."if you're not with us, you're against us."
Didn't W. make that claim?
Apple should acknowledge their correction here, and issue a public statement, an apology for their overreaction.
Salon is a complete farce.
... I thought most guys watched because of Daisy?!
Not to derail the thread, but I think to appease some of the LGBT haters the SCROTUS might look into expanding marriage to cars for some people. How ironic that many (most?) men have always given female names to their cars (I've been with Lola, Kate... and a frisky, beautiful dark "negro" topless dancer I simply called Gorgeous!)... yet, the Southern Folk have an affinity for a guy called "General Lee"? Would it then be a a gay-car marriage?
Kudos to Apple for not being insane (everyone can make a mistake, only idiots persist...).
Kudos to the developer for standing their ground even though it hurt their baseline way more than Apple's
Symbols are their own thing, once they've been co-opted.
If you wear a swastika t-shirt here in Germany, you'll get into trouble, even if you argue til the cows come home that it's a Buddhist peace symbol.