Any policy that allows a group or single individual so much influence is nonsense. The reality is somebody somewhere will get their shorts in a bunch over things the rest of us would not bother with. It is a significant issue in this country right now, individuals can set policy with out the general approval of the populace.
So you feel that it's no big deal to display a prominent symbol of slavery and discrimination over a government building in a state where almost a third of the population is descended from slaves and the target of said discrimination, but you find it alarming that a company can set content guidelines for its own app store without a public vote.
We'll remove all apps that display the Confederate flag, and we'll add them back IF the developers can justify its use in the app as a non-offensive, essential element.
Totally fair. Good call.
I disagree and I'm someone who completely supports taking down the Confederate battle flag from state houses and the like. Apple should have looked at the context of its use in each game or asked the developers for a description of the context of its use BEFORE they took anything down, not AFTER.
I think when the controversy hit, someone at Apple panicked and made this terrible decision to take everything down with the flag in it. That was overkill - a terrible decision and IMO, it made Apple look incredibly stupid. It takes away from the impression that sophisticated, intelligent people work at Apple.
Decades ago, I worked in educational publishing. They pretty much left us alone on the software side, but it was a nightmare for textbooks. People on the extreme right never wanted any criticism of any U.S. policy or law. They wanted a short version of "The Wizard of Oz" removed from the literature books because they felt Dorothy should have looked to God for help and not within herself. People on the left had us counting the number of faces of each minority, removing photos of kids eating ice-cream and changing "The Three Bears" to two large bears and a small bear because we couldn't imply that the female bear would be smaller than the male bear. The use of textbooks is highly political because in 26 states, before a textbook can be sold in the state, it must be approved ("adopted") by a state board. The textbook publishers cave because if you lose an adoption in a big state, you're basically out of business for that subject for several years. While there is a bit more custom publishing today, basically whatever California, Texas and Florida wants, the whole country gets.
There's a big difference between using the Confederate flag as a decorative item and using it in a historical context. I completely understand abandoning the use of a flag that represented the fight for slavery during the war and the fight against integration when it was resurrected by the Klan and other groups in the 1950s. But it's completely absurd to remove it from media that is history oriented. Just as there's a difference between some skinhead wearing a Nazi t-shirt with a swastika and a movie about Hitler that features the swastika.
First, this cowardly, racist, murderous redneck was 21 years old, so let's top calling him a kid.
Second, stop posting his photos or even citing his name. This is the sort of infamy he was seeking. Let's deny it to him and anyone else who might consider following in his footsteps.
First, who you calling racist, redneck? /jk
I think gun fetishists and Rebel flag fetishists would like to bury those images because they disgrace their fetishes. They give the excuse that they don't want to feed the kid's desire for notoriety. (You think he reads AI?) I included them because I know damn well that some of the people who are quibbling over this flag thing aren't putting two and two together.
The flag, along with the Rhodesian and South African patches on his jacket, give him the psychological permission he needs from his chosen peer group of murderous racists to do the killing.
Finally, yeah sure, he's 21, I know that, but he was never raised to adulthood. Look at his face. He's a kid, and he has kid beliefs. His racist mentors are also stuck at about age 18.
I disagree and I'm someone who completely supports taking down the Confederate battle flag from state houses and the like. Apple should have looked at the context of its use in each game or asked the developers for a description of the context of its use BEFORE they took anything down, not AFTER.
That's not an unreasonable idea, one I would likely subscribe to if I were the developer of an affected app.
But I think what happened in this case is that Apple, seeing the current wave of support for taking down these symbols, saw a potentially time-limited opportunity to do so with the least amount of resistance. They weighed the benefit of instantly eliminating all the offensive examples of this content against the inconvenience and short term revenue loss to a few developers of apps that contained the flag in appropriate contexts, and made a decision accordingly.
So far I've only seen one app cited in news stories, so this makes me wonder just how many apps were unfairly removed.
Any policy that allows a group or single individual so much influence is nonsense. The reality is somebody somewhere will get their shorts in a bunch over things the rest of us would not bother with. It is a significant issue in this country right now, individuals can set policy with out the general approval of the populace.
Exactly. This is what the Supreme Court did just this week. Some of the members even recognize it themselves. Read the dissenting opinions.
Finally, yeah sure, he's 21, I know that, but he was never raised to adulthood. Look at his face. He's a kid, and he has kid beliefs. His racist mentors are also stuck at about age 18.
Ah, so a person's criminality should be judged based on the youthfulness (and color) of their appearance? Would you be making this comment if it had been a 21 year old black man who murdered a bunch of innocent white people, in cold blood, in a church, after telling them that their race was inferior, taking over the country, and needed to just get out? American jails are full of black kids 21 and younger imprisoned for doing things that even US presidents have admitted to doing.
African Americans make up 13.2% of the US population. Yet nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Use to be loyal customer, when Apple wasn't into promotion of gay marriage and demonization of games they consider offensive one day, and not the next. I use to have 250,000 in Apple stock and a bumper sticker, but now that they are part of the Obama/Jarrett/Iraq/Gay Marriage/Communist White House I'm done.
Apple will still however be happy to sell you rap songs demonizing black women and WWII apps where we remember history outside of the current mainstream news where German kill millions of Jews.
Use to be loyal customer, when Apple wasn't into promotion of gay marriage and demonization of games they consider offensive one day, and not the next. I use to have 250,000 in Apple stock and a bumper sticker, but now that they are part of the Obama/Jarrett/Iraq/Gay Marriage/Communist White House I'm done.
The great thing about events like this is how they reveal the cockroaches that are normally hidden in plain sight.
Would you be making this comment if it had been a 21 year old black man who murdered a bunch of innocent white people, in cold blood, in a church, after telling them that their race was inferior, taking over the country, and needed to just get out? American jails are full of black kids 21 and younger imprisoned for doing things that even US presidents have admitted to doing.
There's an interesting thing that black social thinkers are always trying to explain to whites who make an equivalency argument like yours here. Here's a rough outline of the dynamics, best as I can do quickly, working without much familiarity with the vocabulary of class/ethnic struggle.
Dylann Roof represents a member of the oppressor class, in fact the more retrograde element, which wants to retighten the screws that hold down the oppressed group, in fact to turn back the progress of the latter group's liberation.
If a black kid (of 21) were foolish enough to do the same thing as Roof did, but to a white prayer-group meeting in a white church, what flag would he use? What reservoir of murderous hatred could he draw on from his peers and elders? The entire "rationale" would be opposite: an act against 250 years of oppression, etc. I don't mean to suggest there's any legitimacy, just that the acts are dynamically opposite and not equivalent.
The response to the act would be completely different on the part of the authorities, like it was in the 60s with the Black Panthers. The Feds would break up any groups the hypothetical black killer was connected with as if they were Al Qaeda. They would certainly treat him as an adult threat to national civil order. They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
There's an interesting thing that black social thinkers are always trying to explain to whites who make an equivalency argument like yours here. Here's a rough outline of the dynamics, best as I can do quickly, working without much familiarity with the vocabulary of class/ethnic struggle.
Dylann Roof represents a member of the oppressor class, in fact the more retrograde element, which wants to retighten the screws that hold down the oppressed group, in fact to turn back the progress of the latter group's liberation.
If a black kid (of 21) were foolish enough to do the same thing as Roof did, but to a white prayer-group meeting in a white church, what flag would he use? What reservoir of murderous hatred could he draw on from his peers and elders? The entire "rationale" would be opposite: an act against 250 years of oppression, etc. I don't mean to suggest there's any legitimacy, just that the acts are dynamically opposite and not equivalent.
The response to the act would be completely different on the part of the authorities, like it was in the 60s with the Black Panthers. The Feds would break up any groups the hypothetical black killer was connected with as if they were Al Qaeda. They would certainly treat him as an adult threat to national civil order. They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
The tipping points of history are often a single individual's action.
There is no longer support or tolerance for use of the Confederate Battle Flag in any American governmental institution, other than in a narrow historical context that the state governments do no meet.
I respect that you and others here have a Libertarian viewpoint, but in the real world, it doesn't really have all that much application in governance other than privacy issues, although "freedom" seems to be the preferred term. Perhaps the world is just too complex and chaotic for Libertarianism to function in governance.
That Salon opinion piece has been roundly addressed here:
Quote:
"For some reason, the finger-waggers at Salon think they’ve got us stumped with this one: “If your approach is so great, why hasn’t any country in the world ever tried it?”
So this is the unanswerable question? What’s supposed to be so hard about it? Ninety percent of what libertarians write about answers it at least implicitly.
Let’s reword the question slightly, in order to draw out the answer. You’ll note that when stated correctly, the question contains an implicit non sequitur.
(1) “If your approach is so great, why doesn’t local law enforcement want to give up the money, supplies, and authority that come from the drug war?”
(2) “If your approach is so great, why don’t big financial firms prefer to stand or fall on their merits, and prefer bailouts instead?”"
The authorities would support your point of view. But I think any 21-year-old who thinks he's ready to start a race war OR a war of liberation is a kid.
The authorities would support your point of view. But I think any 21-year-old who thinks he's ready to start a race war OR a war of liberation is a kid.
So stupidity (relative, not clinical) is an excuse for premeditated mass murder? So far I've seen no claims that this guy had a serious mental illness aside from being a psychopath.
There's an interesting thing that black social thinkers are always trying to explain to whites who make an equivalency argument like yours here. Here's a rough outline of the dynamics, best as I can do quickly, working without much familiarity with the vocabulary of class/ethnic struggle.
Dylann Roof represents a member of the oppressor class, in fact the more retrograde element, which wants to retighten the screws that hold down the oppressed group, in fact to turn back the progress of the latter group's liberation.
If a black kid (of 21) were foolish enough to do the same thing as Roof did, but to a white prayer-group meeting in a white church, what flag would he use? What reservoir of murderous hatred could he draw on from his peers and elders? The entire "rationale" would be opposite: an act against 250 years of oppression, etc. I don't mean to suggest there's any legitimacy, just that the acts are dynamically opposite and not equivalent.
The response to the act would be completely different on the part of the authorities, like it was in the 60s with the Black Panthers. The Feds would break up any groups the hypothetical black killer was connected with as if they were Al Qaeda. They would certainly treat him as an adult threat to national civil order. They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
"For some reason, the finger-waggers at Salon think they’ve got us stumped with this one: “If your approach is so great, why hasn’t any country in the world ever tried it?”
So this is the unanswerable question? What’s supposed to be so hard about it? Ninety percent of what libertarians write about answers it at least implicitly.
Let’s reword the question slightly, in order to draw out the answer. You’ll note that when stated correctly, the question contains an implicit non sequitur.
(1) “If your approach is so great, why doesn’t local law enforcement want to give up the money, supplies, and authority that come from the drug war?”
(2) “If your approach is so great, why don’t big financial firms prefer to stand or fall on their merits, and prefer bailouts instead?”"
Continued at link, above.
That doesn't tell me Libertarians can govern. It only tells me that they can point out flaws in the current government, and in that I can agree. But, then, everybody else can as well, so Libertarians are hardly unique.
Good luck on turning New Hampshire into a Libertarian state.
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
This is, thankfully, true. But behind every marginalized outsider lies a dark underworld of racist, white supremacist propaganda. It is that community that fueled his twisted world view.
I think gun fetishists and Rebel flag fetishists would like to bury those images because they disgrace their fetishes. They give the excuse that they don't want to feed the kid's desire for notoriety. (You think he reads AI?) I included them because I know damn well that some of the people who are quibbling over this flag thing aren't putting two and two together.
The flag, along with the Rhodesian and South African patches on his jacket, give him the psychological permission he needs from his chosen peer group of murderous racists to do the killing.
Finally, yeah sure, he's 21, I know that, but he was never raised to adulthood. Look at his face. He's a kid, and he has kid beliefs. His racist mentors are also stuck at about age 18.
He's not a kid. He's an adult who made adult decisions.
It's not that he reads AI or any site for that matters. He wants to be known. he wants to be famous. Why give him that satisfaction. Let him rot in jail/death row anonymously. That's not the same as forgetting his terrorist act.
Should we ban mentions of Allah because some fringe Islamic extremists mis-use his name in acts of terror?
They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU MISTREAT MUSLIM PRISONERS.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU FEED A WHITE PRISONER WHO HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS!
Yeah, hypocrisy much?
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
You will never convince the loonies who believe that white people are all part of some secret plot to eliminate everyone else.
This could have and should have been handled much differently. Firstly they should have had private discussions with developers of games they deemed questionable. These discussions would have been a better way to go allowing developers to state their reasons or given a window in which to make appropriate alterations. That's my view anyway.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU MISTREAT MUSLIM PRISONERS.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU FEED A WHITE PRISONER WHO HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS!
Yeah, hypocrisy much?
You will never convince the loonies who believe that white people are all part of some secret plot to eliminate everyone else.
As usual, a gross distortion of facts by a right wing extremist...
On one hand we have an avowed racist, white supremacist murderer who had just been arrested:
"Earlier in the day, Roof had bought water and chips at a south Charlotte gas station. Now he was hungry. Police bought him food from a nearby Burger King."
This might be fine, if all prisoners were treated the same way.
But let's contrast this with terrorism suspects who aside from being denied due process under the law, were subjected to torture including forced rectal feeding, being stripped naked and tied to a cold concrete floor leading to death from hypothermia, repeated waterboarding, sleep deprivation for a week, Russian roulette, threats with a power drill and threats to harm their children, and at least 26 wrongfully held prisoners including "an 'intellectually challenged' individual whose taped crying was used as leverage against his family member".
Better yet, never mind suspected terrorists... How do police treat black civilians?
Quote:
Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'
"While US military and intelligence interrogation impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles and even a cage – focuses on American citizens, most often poor, black and brown. ‘When you go in,’ Brian Jacob Church told the Guardian, ‘nobody knows what happened to you."
Practices include:
Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
Shackling for prolonged periods.
Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.
At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.
This isn't even a question of whether or not the individuals deserved this treatment. It's a question of whether the US government should be utilizing practices more commonly associated war criminals and historical accounts of the Nazi's Gestapo secret police. If we allow ourselves to sink to these levels, we lose the moral high ground and any sense of right or wrong, good or bad... everything becomes a simple matter of us vs. them.
Seriously, you should consider news sources besides Fox News.
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Any policy that allows a group or single individual so much influence is nonsense. The reality is somebody somewhere will get their shorts in a bunch over things the rest of us would not bother with. It is a significant issue in this country right now, individuals can set policy with out the general approval of the populace.
So you feel that it's no big deal to display a prominent symbol of slavery and discrimination over a government building in a state where almost a third of the population is descended from slaves and the target of said discrimination, but you find it alarming that a company can set content guidelines for its own app store without a public vote.
Alrighty then...
I actually like this approach.
We'll remove all apps that display the Confederate flag, and we'll add them back IF the developers can justify its use in the app as a non-offensive, essential element.
Totally fair. Good call.
I disagree and I'm someone who completely supports taking down the Confederate battle flag from state houses and the like. Apple should have looked at the context of its use in each game or asked the developers for a description of the context of its use BEFORE they took anything down, not AFTER.
I think when the controversy hit, someone at Apple panicked and made this terrible decision to take everything down with the flag in it. That was overkill - a terrible decision and IMO, it made Apple look incredibly stupid. It takes away from the impression that sophisticated, intelligent people work at Apple.
Decades ago, I worked in educational publishing. They pretty much left us alone on the software side, but it was a nightmare for textbooks. People on the extreme right never wanted any criticism of any U.S. policy or law. They wanted a short version of "The Wizard of Oz" removed from the literature books because they felt Dorothy should have looked to God for help and not within herself. People on the left had us counting the number of faces of each minority, removing photos of kids eating ice-cream and changing "The Three Bears" to two large bears and a small bear because we couldn't imply that the female bear would be smaller than the male bear. The use of textbooks is highly political because in 26 states, before a textbook can be sold in the state, it must be approved ("adopted") by a state board. The textbook publishers cave because if you lose an adoption in a big state, you're basically out of business for that subject for several years. While there is a bit more custom publishing today, basically whatever California, Texas and Florida wants, the whole country gets.
There's a big difference between using the Confederate flag as a decorative item and using it in a historical context. I completely understand abandoning the use of a flag that represented the fight for slavery during the war and the fight against integration when it was resurrected by the Klan and other groups in the 1950s. But it's completely absurd to remove it from media that is history oriented. Just as there's a difference between some skinhead wearing a Nazi t-shirt with a swastika and a movie about Hitler that features the swastika.
First, who you calling racist, redneck? /jk
I think gun fetishists and Rebel flag fetishists would like to bury those images because they disgrace their fetishes. They give the excuse that they don't want to feed the kid's desire for notoriety. (You think he reads AI?) I included them because I know damn well that some of the people who are quibbling over this flag thing aren't putting two and two together.
The flag, along with the Rhodesian and South African patches on his jacket, give him the psychological permission he needs from his chosen peer group of murderous racists to do the killing.
Finally, yeah sure, he's 21, I know that, but he was never raised to adulthood. Look at his face. He's a kid, and he has kid beliefs. His racist mentors are also stuck at about age 18.
I disagree and I'm someone who completely supports taking down the Confederate battle flag from state houses and the like. Apple should have looked at the context of its use in each game or asked the developers for a description of the context of its use BEFORE they took anything down, not AFTER.
That's not an unreasonable idea, one I would likely subscribe to if I were the developer of an affected app.
But I think what happened in this case is that Apple, seeing the current wave of support for taking down these symbols, saw a potentially time-limited opportunity to do so with the least amount of resistance. They weighed the benefit of instantly eliminating all the offensive examples of this content against the inconvenience and short term revenue loss to a few developers of apps that contained the flag in appropriate contexts, and made a decision accordingly.
So far I've only seen one app cited in news stories, so this makes me wonder just how many apps were unfairly removed.
Any policy that allows a group or single individual so much influence is nonsense. The reality is somebody somewhere will get their shorts in a bunch over things the rest of us would not bother with. It is a significant issue in this country right now, individuals can set policy with out the general approval of the populace.
Exactly. This is what the Supreme Court did just this week. Some of the members even recognize it themselves. Read the dissenting opinions.
Finally, yeah sure, he's 21, I know that, but he was never raised to adulthood. Look at his face. He's a kid, and he has kid beliefs. His racist mentors are also stuck at about age 18.
Ah, so a person's criminality should be judged based on the youthfulness (and color) of their appearance? Would you be making this comment if it had been a 21 year old black man who murdered a bunch of innocent white people, in cold blood, in a church, after telling them that their race was inferior, taking over the country, and needed to just get out? American jails are full of black kids 21 and younger imprisoned for doing things that even US presidents have admitted to doing.
African Americans make up 13.2% of the US population. Yet nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Use to be loyal customer, when Apple wasn't into promotion of gay marriage and demonization of games they consider offensive one day, and not the next. I use to have 250,000 in Apple stock and a bumper sticker, but now that they are part of the Obama/Jarrett/Iraq/Gay Marriage/Communist White House I'm done.
Apple will still however be happy to sell you rap songs demonizing black women and WWII apps where we remember history outside of the current mainstream news where German kill millions of Jews.
Use to be loyal customer, when Apple wasn't into promotion of gay marriage and demonization of games they consider offensive one day, and not the next. I use to have 250,000 in Apple stock and a bumper sticker, but now that they are part of the Obama/Jarrett/Iraq/Gay Marriage/Communist White House I'm done.
The great thing about events like this is how they reveal the cockroaches that are normally hidden in plain sight.
There's an interesting thing that black social thinkers are always trying to explain to whites who make an equivalency argument like yours here. Here's a rough outline of the dynamics, best as I can do quickly, working without much familiarity with the vocabulary of class/ethnic struggle.
Dylann Roof represents a member of the oppressor class, in fact the more retrograde element, which wants to retighten the screws that hold down the oppressed group, in fact to turn back the progress of the latter group's liberation.
If a black kid (of 21) were foolish enough to do the same thing as Roof did, but to a white prayer-group meeting in a white church, what flag would he use? What reservoir of murderous hatred could he draw on from his peers and elders? The entire "rationale" would be opposite: an act against 250 years of oppression, etc. I don't mean to suggest there's any legitimacy, just that the acts are dynamically opposite and not equivalent.
The response to the act would be completely different on the part of the authorities, like it was in the 60s with the Black Panthers. The Feds would break up any groups the hypothetical black killer was connected with as if they were Al Qaeda. They would certainly treat him as an adult threat to national civil order. They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
There's an interesting thing that black social thinkers are always trying to explain to whites who make an equivalency argument like yours here. Here's a rough outline of the dynamics, best as I can do quickly, working without much familiarity with the vocabulary of class/ethnic struggle.
Dylann Roof represents a member of the oppressor class, in fact the more retrograde element, which wants to retighten the screws that hold down the oppressed group, in fact to turn back the progress of the latter group's liberation.
If a black kid (of 21) were foolish enough to do the same thing as Roof did, but to a white prayer-group meeting in a white church, what flag would he use? What reservoir of murderous hatred could he draw on from his peers and elders? The entire "rationale" would be opposite: an act against 250 years of oppression, etc. I don't mean to suggest there's any legitimacy, just that the acts are dynamically opposite and not equivalent.
The response to the act would be completely different on the part of the authorities, like it was in the 60s with the Black Panthers. The Feds would break up any groups the hypothetical black killer was connected with as if they were Al Qaeda. They would certainly treat him as an adult threat to national civil order. They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
You seem to be agreeing with my point of view.
That Salon opinion piece has been roundly addressed here:
http://tomwoods.com/blog/the-question-libertarians-just-cant-answer/
Quote:
"For some reason, the finger-waggers at Salon think they’ve got us stumped with this one: “If your approach is so great, why hasn’t any country in the world ever tried it?”
So this is the unanswerable question? What’s supposed to be so hard about it? Ninety percent of what libertarians write about answers it at least implicitly.
Let’s reword the question slightly, in order to draw out the answer. You’ll note that when stated correctly, the question contains an implicit non sequitur.
(1) “If your approach is so great, why doesn’t local law enforcement want to give up the money, supplies, and authority that come from the drug war?”
(2) “If your approach is so great, why don’t big financial firms prefer to stand or fall on their merits, and prefer bailouts instead?”"
Continued at link, above.
The authorities would support your point of view. But I think any 21-year-old who thinks he's ready to start a race war OR a war of liberation is a kid.
The authorities would support your point of view. But I think any 21-year-old who thinks he's ready to start a race war OR a war of liberation is a kid.
So stupidity (relative, not clinical) is an excuse for premeditated mass murder? So far I've seen no claims that this guy had a serious mental illness aside from being a psychopath.
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
That Salon opinion piece has been roundly addressed here: http://tomwoods.com/blog/the-question-libertarians-just-cant-answer/
"For some reason, the finger-waggers at Salon think they’ve got us stumped with this one: “If your approach is so great, why hasn’t any country in the world ever tried it?”
So this is the unanswerable question? What’s supposed to be so hard about it? Ninety percent of what libertarians write about answers it at least implicitly.
Let’s reword the question slightly, in order to draw out the answer. You’ll note that when stated correctly, the question contains an implicit non sequitur.
(1) “If your approach is so great, why doesn’t local law enforcement want to give up the money, supplies, and authority that come from the drug war?”
(2) “If your approach is so great, why don’t big financial firms prefer to stand or fall on their merits, and prefer bailouts instead?”"
Continued at link, above.
That doesn't tell me Libertarians can govern. It only tells me that they can point out flaws in the current government, and in that I can agree. But, then, everybody else can as well, so Libertarians are hardly unique.
Good luck on turning New Hampshire into a Libertarian state.
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
This is, thankfully, true. But behind every marginalized outsider lies a dark underworld of racist, white supremacist propaganda. It is that community that fueled his twisted world view.
He's not a kid. He's an adult who made adult decisions.
It's not that he reads AI or any site for that matters. He wants to be known. he wants to be famous. Why give him that satisfaction. Let him rot in jail/death row anonymously. That's not the same as forgetting his terrorist act.
Should we ban mentions of Allah because some fringe Islamic extremists mis-use his name in acts of terror?
They would not take him to Burger King after he was arrested because he said he was hungry.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU MISTREAT MUSLIM PRISONERS.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU FEED A WHITE PRISONER WHO HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS!
Yeah, hypocrisy much?
Member of the oppressor class? That insane kid was almost completely alone in his thoughts and certainly alone in his actions. He was 1 in 330 million committed to carrying out a heinous act. A completely marginalized outsider! In other words, a rarity!
You will never convince the loonies who believe that white people are all part of some secret plot to eliminate everyone else.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU MISTREAT MUSLIM PRISONERS.
American Left: HOW DARE YOU FEED A WHITE PRISONER WHO HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS!
Yeah, hypocrisy much?
You will never convince the loonies who believe that white people are all part of some secret plot to eliminate everyone else.
As usual, a gross distortion of facts by a right wing extremist...
On one hand we have an avowed racist, white supremacist murderer who had just been arrested:
"Earlier in the day, Roof had bought water and chips at a south Charlotte gas station. Now he was hungry. Police bought him food from a nearby Burger King."
This might be fine, if all prisoners were treated the same way.
But let's contrast this with terrorism suspects who aside from being denied due process under the law, were subjected to torture including forced rectal feeding, being stripped naked and tied to a cold concrete floor leading to death from hypothermia, repeated waterboarding, sleep deprivation for a week, Russian roulette, threats with a power drill and threats to harm their children, and at least 26 wrongfully held prisoners including "an 'intellectually challenged' individual whose taped crying was used as leverage against his family member".
Better yet, never mind suspected terrorists... How do police treat black civilians?
Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
"While US military and intelligence interrogation impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles and even a cage – focuses on American citizens, most often poor, black and brown. ‘When you go in,’ Brian Jacob Church told the Guardian, ‘nobody knows what happened to you."
Practices include:
This isn't even a question of whether or not the individuals deserved this treatment. It's a question of whether the US government should be utilizing practices more commonly associated war criminals and historical accounts of the Nazi's Gestapo secret police. If we allow ourselves to sink to these levels, we lose the moral high ground and any sense of right or wrong, good or bad... everything becomes a simple matter of us vs. them.
Seriously, you should consider news sources besides Fox News.