When was the last time you were at the gym and a 72 year old on the treadmill next to you had no place to put his/her iPhone while waiting for an all important email or Facebook notification to come in?
So let me get this straight, because the iPhone has an App Store with access to apps that do some of the stuff Apple Watch does (will ignore their level of success or convenience for now) it therefore marginalizes Apple Watch into, and I paraphrase, "having no actual use"? That sums up your position?
"click bait" articles do not exist unless there is some element of truth to it.
nonsense. absolute nonsense.
there really is nothing special about the watch.
if you say that, its obvious you dont own one.
There is no technology in it that could not be introduced in other products already out there.
nonsense. exactly how do you have your phone take your heart rate both throughout the day and while working out? be fucking specific.
Notices to get up and move around? Basic health monitoring? All things that could be in the phone and or MBP (at least) already.
more damned nonsense, whichs show that you fail to understand the basic concepts of a wearable. hint -- IT'S BECAUSE YOU WEAR IT! when your device is a phone in a dock on your desk, possibly playing music, or IS A LAPTOP, then you aren't going to pick it up and take it w/ you to the can. etc. but your watch? its ON YOU, so it always captures that data.
What is it about having a watch that tells me I got an email that is so new and earth shattering I just have to have it or eventually know I will buy?
again -- the problem is in you and your short-sighted, incorrect ideas of what we do w/ our wearables.
Right, because all trolls actually complete a thought and don't immediately resolve to name calling to put down someone who has a differing opinion. Low post counts may also mean some of us read all sides of an argument and develop an opinion before posting. I am not some pure blind fanboy spewing the same positions over and over while attacking other people for having a different one. A valid one at that. If you're going to add to the conversation you may want to make sure the other party has an open ear to listen to what you have to say.
I think we can all agree that buying an Apple Watch for the sole purpose of exercise tracking is overkill, which you would have known already if you actually read the substance of my post and subsequent replies. Fitbit has a very good app for the iPhone. When was the last time you were at the gym and a 72 year old on the treadmill next to you had no place to put his/her iPhone while waiting for an all important email or Facebook notification to come in?
activity tracking is 100% valid use case. in fact, its the #1 use case for my SO and i, which is why we bought two. seconded by wireless iPod, then contactless payments -- all of which make running w/o an iPhone awesome (since we've already GPS calibrated them they're very accurate too). notifications becomes another great use case, since we text each other often throughout the day. no more need to take our phones out of the dock, unlock, read, deal with.
why would we want to use fitbits when we can do the exact same thing w/ our AW, but also be able to, say, turn down the lights in the house, or send a text, or pause the TV? FEWER DEVICES = GOOOOOOD, MORE DEVICES = BAAAAD
May I ask, out of pure curiosity, what exactly you use your watch for? How is the watch adding to the productivity of your day?
why bother asking, or answering? you've proven yourself to be a troll, and your interest in his answers is not honest or sincere. were it intellectually honest, you could read the dozen+ responses you've already received, or read some of the (largely positive) reviews online. you're just trolling.
I was a big fan of the I-Phone and own everything they've ever made, but ever since Steve Jobs died they keep dropping the ball. I'm just concerned that the Apple I love is going away now that there is a gay homosexual who only seems to care about his fellow gays.
The market isn't ready because you'e not ready. Got it!
There are no official numbers but are you saying it's selling worse than the original iPhone or iPod? I guess those devices were "not ready for primetime" and I have a strong feeling you thought Apple was foolish then, too.
Techno-files[sic] are the only one that use fitness trackers or wear watches? You may need to rethink that.
Ah, so we're back to implying that Apple is only good at marketing. Don't forget that they have simply gotten lucky in the past.
Did you say that about the original iPod? How about the Mac any other new Apple HW category
I find it very useful. It's the first thing I put on in the morning and the last thing I take off. It keeps track of my activity level much better than my iPhone ever could (a benefit to being on your wrist, but you'd have to seriously consider it or any fitness tracker before you'd come to that conclusion, and it's saved me a lot of time. But I'm not here to convince you to buy one, just as i wasn't there to convince you or anyone else to buy the original iPad, iPhone or iPod. It will sell itself (which its clearly doing as supply is still outstripping demand) and it will get better, at which point in the future you'll probably think that because you held out or because you complained on a message board that Apple changed their development plans to suit your needs. Good luck with that.
If there was ever a time when more people could be more misunderstood by any product, it's this one. I refute the personal attack by those who would bully all others because they cannot see how the use of a product would add to one's overall productivity. No one has done that yet, not here on this site or others, and not through any other conversation I've yet to have.
Never once did I even infer whether device is outselling the iPhone/Pod/Pad and stated that, in no uncertain terms, it was ludicrous to do so.
Technophiles being the only ones who use fitness trackers or watches? Never once did I assert that.
Apple is great at marketing and at making things to market. I don't see how you arrive at any other conclusion.
Personally, I wanted an iPod and couldn't wait to afford to buy one. Its purpose was clear and defined. You could tell what it was for. Not so with the Apple Watch.
Regarding everything in your last paragraph, how you spend your money is your own business, not mine. The same is true for me. That being said spending $400 on an Apple Watch is overkill for what a Fitbit can do which also has a great app. I'm not attacking with the statement, "it's overkill if all you bought the AW for was the fitness tracker". All I'm looking for is a coherent answer to the question, "How does the AW make you more productive during the day". I didn't have that question with the iPhone. I didn't have a good answer for it with the iPad which led me to sell it. The inability I've found in people to answer that question with the AW leads me to believe the device is a fad which will fade with time. So tell me, how does it make you more productive?
why bother asking, or answering? you've proven yourself to be a troll, and your interest in his answers is not honest or sincere. were it intellectually honest, you could read the dozen+ responses you've already received, or read some of the (largely positive) reviews online. you're just trolling.
You, sir, cannot handle a simple question and have no ability to tell the difference between someone picking a fight and one simply asking a question. If I wanted more spew from the normal "all mac products are great and there is no other way to look at it" I would be satisfied with what I've read here and other places. But because of impatient and irrational replies from you and others who are too closed minded to see an honest question when it spits on your shoes, I can come to no other alternative than the AW is a toy and you need me to affirm your purchase. I will not.
activity tracking is 100% valid use case. in fact, its the #1 use case for my SO and i, which is why we bought two. seconded by wireless iPod, then contactless payments -- all of which make running w/o an iPhone awesome (since we've already GPS calibrated them they're very accurate too). notifications becomes another great use case, since we text each other often throughout the day. no more need to take our phones out of the dock, unlock, read, deal with.
why would we want to use fitbits when we can do the exact same thing w/ our AW, but also be able to, say, turn down the lights in the house, or send a text, or pause the TV? FEWER DEVICES = GOOOOOOD, MORE DEVICES = BAAAAD
troll on, bro.
So you are telling me you run your entire life from your watch?
You, sir, cannot handle a simple question and have no ability to tell the difference between someone picking a fight and one simply asking a question. If I wanted more spew from the normal "all mac products are great and there is no other way to look at it" I would be satisfied with what I've read here and other places. But because of impatient and irrational replies from you and others who are too closed minded to see an honest question when it spits on your shoes, I can come to no other alternative than the AW is a toy and you need me to affirm your purchase. I will not.
Oh come off it, you're intellectually dishonest (aka "a troll"). You've already stated this elsewhere in the thread:
there really is nothing special about the watch.
...so for you to claim you're still looking for honest feedback on the AW is...nonsense. You, sir, are nonsense.
No one has done that yet, not here on this site or others, and not through any other conversation I've yet to have.
Done what? Convince you that you need to buy one? No one gives a shit if you every buy one. The only thing that anyone here concerns themselves with you being honest with us and yourself.
Never once did I even infer whether device is outselling the iPhone/Pod/Pad and stated that, in no uncertain terms, it was ludicrous to do so Technophiles being the only ones who use fitness trackers or watches? Never once did I assert that.
You wrote, "...the only demographic who uses these devices are the techno-files of the world."
Personally, I wanted an iPod and couldn't wait to afford to buy one. Its purpose was clear and defined. You could tell what it was for. Not so with the Apple Watch.
1) Don't push your feelings onto the world.
2) I had no interest in the iPod until the first iPod Mini but you won't see me saying that it's was an undefined device for technophiles that served no purpose. Again, not suiting your needs doesn't equate to everyone's needs. You don't care about fitness trackers, fine, but I loved my Fitbit Force despite its limitations (and until that shitty clasp gave free and I lost it). I have that with Apple Watch plus the other services and huge time savings it affords me.
That being said spending $400 on an Apple Watch is overkill for what a Fitbit can do which also has a great app.
Overkill for what you want right now. You keep forgetting that.
l I'm looking for is a coherent answer to the question, "How does the AW make you more productive during the day". I didn't have that question with the iPhone. I didn't have a good answer for it with the iPad which led me to sell it. The inability I've found in people to answer that question with the AW leads me to believe the device is a fad which will fade with time. So tell me, how does it make you more productive?
1) So the iPhone fit your needs right away. Great, but that doesn't mean other products can't fit other people's needs or that the iPhone fit everyone's needs in the first gen. No cut/copy/paste, no video camera, physical keyboard, it was HUGE, no 3G connectivity, no MS Exchange support, no 3rd-party app support and on and on in both HW and SW that made plenty of people think their BB, winMo, Nokia, Moto, or Palm "smart"phone, as well as plenty that felt that it was foolish to pay that much for something that allow had a monthly data plan when such things were frivolous.
2) So you bought an iPad and it didn't suit your needs so it's a bad product? I prefer my Mac when stationary and my iPhone when mobile so the iPad never really fit into my usage pattern, but you won't here me say that it's a stupid device because it's not for me.
3) How many times does it need to be answered? There are thousands of reviews and millions of comments about how it works for various users. You ignoring these comments because it doesn't fit your needs is silly. As for being a fad, with nearly as many watches sold last year as cellphones the wrist is still a very popular place for technology. This will not change.
So you are telling me you run your entire life from your watch?
Nope, just the use cases I've already mentioned. I know that hurts you, deep inside, thus your compulsive need to misconstrue what I've said and build up strawmen....for reasons only trolls know.
So you are telling me you run your entire life from your watch?
Wait, what?! You have to run your entire life from a watch for it to be useful? Are under some warped impression that it's suppose to replace what you do with your phone? Did the smartphone let you get rid of a desktop/laptop? If it did, you weren't doing much with your "PC", if not then you're sounding both ridiculous and hypocritical.
for the record, you need to familiarize yourself w/ known troll-memes, since you use them. here are some samples:
"I am also sure your the type of guy who waits in line for days to get the newest iphone. Get a life"
this speaks for itself.
"I've probably been using Apple products longer than you"
classic "I own everything Apple's ever made" trolling.
just admit it -- youre either a troll, or a sleeper-troll who doesnt realize he's a troll. one or the other.
I have customers just buying every new thing that Apple makes and they barley know what it can do. Many modern apple fans calculate success on how much a Apple product sells. That's only part of the picture. Apple has build a strong brand that people trust in, at this point Apple could package a iphone 6 in a new iPhone 7 body and people would go camping to buy it. Apple has that kind of luxury now.
The point of all this is if Apple releases a flop, we won't see it as flop until the market is saturated with the product and the people that bought it realize it's crap. Again this is a opinion, people in this forum sometimes take it to seriously. Also FYI I bought a Apple Watch, it's currently sitting on my night table collecting dust.
So far you have had no valid arguments just opinionated anecdotal rhetoric. The rest of the content of your posts is all conjecture.
Sell your watch.
Did you read the article I wrote just above? Let me explain in a easier fashion. Apple has been known to revolutionize technology. They did that with the iPhone because before the iphone touch screens where barely usable. Same with the computer, they revolutionized battery tech and proved to the world that a thin computer could have a amazing battery life as well as be functional. The iPad showed the world that a tablet can still be useful to edit movies and pictures in a great little package. Although iPad sales have declined this is probably due to the fact that Apple is bringing the Mac and the iPhone experience closer together and that the iPad has not evolved much in the last years. Now what has the Apple Watch revolutionized? Nothing, it just looks good. It's on the same level as all the other watches in terms of capability. Apple didn't make it stand out with any ground breaking features like it's other products.
I've been a little disappointed in Apple since Steve Job's died. Steve had a eye for what works and what doesn't. Same for the Walt Disney company, I loved disney but when Walt died the company suffered lack of innovation which took more than 10 years to recover. I own a Mac consultation business and believe me I know what I'm talking about more than 70% of you guys on here. My corporate customers are starting to worry about the direction Apple is going.
I happen to also be in the consulting and tech support business, making me just one of the 30% here that I can assure you know more than you do.
Funny how my business continues to expand daily helping departments and entire small businesses switch over to Macs. True, half of my job is easy because most of these people and decision makers have iPhones that they're more than happy with. What continues to amaze me is the number of small Windows-based shops that really put all of their faith in Apple and go full-throttle ahead based on their iOS experience.
Steve Jobs if still alive would be forgiven for gloating just a wee bit.
You may be skeptical so what ? Massive troll leap to say everyone is skeptical when that is plainly untrue.
Why did you buy one ?
Perhaps you are experiencing post cognitive dissonance ?
I suspect some other form of disconnect - oh no wait, you're just a troll.
Wow again a post that contains nothing but saying I am a troll. Dude just reply to my argument all you do is say I'm a troll in all your post. You never give your opinion on the subject.
I own one because many clients may have questions on the product. Most of the time they want my opinion first before they buy one. Right now the only thing that smart watches do is everything your phone can but on a super small screen on your wrist.
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So let me get this straight, because the iPhone has an App Store with access to apps that do some of the stuff Apple Watch does (will ignore their level of success or convenience for now) it therefore marginalizes Apple Watch into, and I paraphrase, "having no actual use"? That sums up your position?
nonsense. absolute nonsense.
if you say that, its obvious you dont own one.
nonsense. exactly how do you have your phone take your heart rate both throughout the day and while working out? be fucking specific.
more damned nonsense, whichs show that you fail to understand the basic concepts of a wearable. hint -- IT'S BECAUSE YOU WEAR IT! when your device is a phone in a dock on your desk, possibly playing music, or IS A LAPTOP, then you aren't going to pick it up and take it w/ you to the can. etc. but your watch? its ON YOU, so it always captures that data.
again -- the problem is in you and your short-sighted, incorrect ideas of what we do w/ our wearables.
for the record, you need to familiarize yourself w/ known troll-memes, since you use them. here are some samples:
"I am also sure your the type of guy who waits in line for days to get the newest iphone. Get a life"
this speaks for itself.
"I've probably been using Apple products longer than you"
classic "I own everything Apple's ever made" trolling.
just admit it -- youre either a troll, or a sleeper-troll who doesnt realize he's a troll. one or the other.
activity tracking is 100% valid use case. in fact, its the #1 use case for my SO and i, which is why we bought two. seconded by wireless iPod, then contactless payments -- all of which make running w/o an iPhone awesome (since we've already GPS calibrated them they're very accurate too). notifications becomes another great use case, since we text each other often throughout the day. no more need to take our phones out of the dock, unlock, read, deal with.
why would we want to use fitbits when we can do the exact same thing w/ our AW, but also be able to, say, turn down the lights in the house, or send a text, or pause the TV? FEWER DEVICES = GOOOOOOD, MORE DEVICES = BAAAAD
troll on, bro.
why bother asking, or answering? you've proven yourself to be a troll, and your interest in his answers is not honest or sincere. were it intellectually honest, you could read the dozen+ responses you've already received, or read some of the (largely positive) reviews online. you're just trolling.
The market isn't ready because you'e not ready. Got it!
There are no official numbers but are you saying it's selling worse than the original iPhone or iPod? I guess those devices were "not ready for primetime" and I have a strong feeling you thought Apple was foolish then, too.
Techno-files[sic] are the only one that use fitness trackers or wear watches? You may need to rethink that.
Ah, so we're back to implying that Apple is only good at marketing. Don't forget that they have simply gotten lucky in the past.
Did you say that about the original iPod? How about the Mac any other new Apple HW category
I find it very useful. It's the first thing I put on in the morning and the last thing I take off. It keeps track of my activity level much better than my iPhone ever could (a benefit to being on your wrist, but you'd have to seriously consider it or any fitness tracker before you'd come to that conclusion, and it's saved me a lot of time. But I'm not here to convince you to buy one, just as i wasn't there to convince you or anyone else to buy the original iPad, iPhone or iPod. It will sell itself (which its clearly doing as supply is still outstripping demand) and it will get better, at which point in the future you'll probably think that because you held out or because you complained on a message board that Apple changed their development plans to suit your needs. Good luck with that.
If there was ever a time when more people could be more misunderstood by any product, it's this one. I refute the personal attack by those who would bully all others because they cannot see how the use of a product would add to one's overall productivity. No one has done that yet, not here on this site or others, and not through any other conversation I've yet to have.
Never once did I even infer whether device is outselling the iPhone/Pod/Pad and stated that, in no uncertain terms, it was ludicrous to do so.
Technophiles being the only ones who use fitness trackers or watches? Never once did I assert that.
Apple is great at marketing and at making things to market. I don't see how you arrive at any other conclusion.
Personally, I wanted an iPod and couldn't wait to afford to buy one. Its purpose was clear and defined. You could tell what it was for. Not so with the Apple Watch.
Regarding everything in your last paragraph, how you spend your money is your own business, not mine. The same is true for me. That being said spending $400 on an Apple Watch is overkill for what a Fitbit can do which also has a great app. I'm not attacking with the statement, "it's overkill if all you bought the AW for was the fitness tracker". All I'm looking for is a coherent answer to the question, "How does the AW make you more productive during the day". I didn't have that question with the iPhone. I didn't have a good answer for it with the iPad which led me to sell it. The inability I've found in people to answer that question with the AW leads me to believe the device is a fad which will fade with time. So tell me, how does it make you more productive?
why bother asking, or answering? you've proven yourself to be a troll, and your interest in his answers is not honest or sincere. were it intellectually honest, you could read the dozen+ responses you've already received, or read some of the (largely positive) reviews online. you're just trolling.
You, sir, cannot handle a simple question and have no ability to tell the difference between someone picking a fight and one simply asking a question. If I wanted more spew from the normal "all mac products are great and there is no other way to look at it" I would be satisfied with what I've read here and other places. But because of impatient and irrational replies from you and others who are too closed minded to see an honest question when it spits on your shoes, I can come to no other alternative than the AW is a toy and you need me to affirm your purchase. I will not.
activity tracking is 100% valid use case. in fact, its the #1 use case for my SO and i, which is why we bought two. seconded by wireless iPod, then contactless payments -- all of which make running w/o an iPhone awesome (since we've already GPS calibrated them they're very accurate too). notifications becomes another great use case, since we text each other often throughout the day. no more need to take our phones out of the dock, unlock, read, deal with.
why would we want to use fitbits when we can do the exact same thing w/ our AW, but also be able to, say, turn down the lights in the house, or send a text, or pause the TV? FEWER DEVICES = GOOOOOOD, MORE DEVICES = BAAAAD
troll on, bro.
So you are telling me you run your entire life from your watch?
Oh come off it, you're intellectually dishonest (aka "a troll"). You've already stated this elsewhere in the thread:
there really is nothing special about the watch.
...so for you to claim you're still looking for honest feedback on the AW is...nonsense. You, sir, are nonsense.
Done what? Convince you that you need to buy one? No one gives a shit if you every buy one. The only thing that anyone here concerns themselves with you being honest with us and yourself.
You wrote, "...the only demographic who uses these devices are the techno-files of the world."
1) Don't push your feelings onto the world.
2) I had no interest in the iPod until the first iPod Mini but you won't see me saying that it's was an undefined device for technophiles that served no purpose. Again, not suiting your needs doesn't equate to everyone's needs. You don't care about fitness trackers, fine, but I loved my Fitbit Force despite its limitations (and until that shitty clasp gave free and I lost it). I have that with Apple Watch plus the other services and huge time savings it affords me.
Overkill for what you want right now. You keep forgetting that.
1) So the iPhone fit your needs right away. Great, but that doesn't mean other products can't fit other people's needs or that the iPhone fit everyone's needs in the first gen. No cut/copy/paste, no video camera, physical keyboard, it was HUGE, no 3G connectivity, no MS Exchange support, no 3rd-party app support and on and on in both HW and SW that made plenty of people think their BB, winMo, Nokia, Moto, or Palm "smart"phone, as well as plenty that felt that it was foolish to pay that much for something that allow had a monthly data plan when such things were frivolous.
2) So you bought an iPad and it didn't suit your needs so it's a bad product? I prefer my Mac when stationary and my iPhone when mobile so the iPad never really fit into my usage pattern, but you won't here me say that it's a stupid device because it's not for me.
3) How many times does it need to be answered? There are thousands of reviews and millions of comments about how it works for various users. You ignoring these comments because it doesn't fit your needs is silly. As for being a fad, with nearly as many watches sold last year as cellphones the wrist is still a very popular place for technology. This will not change.
Nope, just the use cases I've already mentioned. I know that hurts you, deep inside, thus your compulsive need to misconstrue what I've said and build up strawmen....for reasons only trolls know.
Wait, what?! You have to run your entire life from a watch for it to be useful? Are under some warped impression that it's suppose to replace what you do with your phone? Did the smartphone let you get rid of a desktop/laptop? If it did, you weren't doing much with your "PC", if not then you're sounding both ridiculous and hypocritical.
I have customers just buying every new thing that Apple makes and they barley know what it can do. Many modern apple fans calculate success on how much a Apple product sells. That's only part of the picture. Apple has build a strong brand that people trust in, at this point Apple could package a iphone 6 in a new iPhone 7 body and people would go camping to buy it. Apple has that kind of luxury now.
The point of all this is if Apple releases a flop, we won't see it as flop until the market is saturated with the product and the people that bought it realize it's crap. Again this is a opinion, people in this forum sometimes take it to seriously. Also FYI I bought a Apple Watch, it's currently sitting on my night table collecting dust.
Sell your watch.
Did you read the article I wrote just above? Let me explain in a easier fashion. Apple has been known to revolutionize technology. They did that with the iPhone because before the iphone touch screens where barely usable. Same with the computer, they revolutionized battery tech and proved to the world that a thin computer could have a amazing battery life as well as be functional. The iPad showed the world that a tablet can still be useful to edit movies and pictures in a great little package. Although iPad sales have declined this is probably due to the fact that Apple is bringing the Mac and the iPhone experience closer together and that the iPad has not evolved much in the last years. Now what has the Apple Watch revolutionized? Nothing, it just looks good. It's on the same level as all the other watches in terms of capability. Apple didn't make it stand out with any ground breaking features like it's other products.
This is why everybody is skeptical about it.
You may be skeptical so what ? Massive troll leap to say everyone is skeptical when that is plainly untrue.
Why did you buy one ?
Perhaps you are experiencing post cognitive dissonance ?
I suspect some other form of disconnect - oh no wait, you're just a troll.
I happen to also be in the consulting and tech support business, making me just one of the 30% here that I can assure you know more than you do.
Funny how my business continues to expand daily helping departments and entire small businesses switch over to Macs. True, half of my job is easy because most of these people and decision makers have iPhones that they're more than happy with. What continues to amaze me is the number of small Windows-based shops that really put all of their faith in Apple and go full-throttle ahead based on their iOS experience.
Steve Jobs if still alive would be forgiven for gloating just a wee bit.
Wow again a post that contains nothing but saying I am a troll. Dude just reply to my argument all you do is say I'm a troll in all your post. You never give your opinion on the subject.
I own one because many clients may have questions on the product. Most of the time they want my opinion first before they buy one. Right now the only thing that smart watches do is everything your phone can but on a super small screen on your wrist.
Crap rhetoric and conjecture.
Olympic class idiot !
I'm out because I can't be bothered with you.
Expect to get grilled if you hang around here.