Real pain when testing on the actual device? Really?
But that is the only way to test it correctly! virtual iOS device simulators:
1) don't have all the resources that the actual device has
2) have unrealistic performance both in the number of cores, its (CPU) speed and GPU speed.
Try debugging a 3GB app GPS based app in the field some time and then we will talk. My preferred solution would be XCode for the iPad Pro which I think would make both of us happy.
See and use is two different things, have been using portable computing devices since 1990 when Apple came out with the thier first laptop, and have only used a portable device ever since. I been on both Mac and PC during that time and I have used tables prior to the whole Ipad changing how it can be done and they all failed. Doing any real work requires real keyboard, and the properly weighted system so they the display does not weigh more then the place were you place your hands. The devices has to work in all places at all times. and the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad.I carry my laptop around and my ipad, there is times I do not want to deal with my laptop to just read an email or look something up on the web or just do some mindly game. I use a PC Laptop for work and my ipad for personal stuff as well as some work stuff. In the past I use to carry around by my Mac Laptop and Work PC, today I got rid of my Mac Laptop and use my Ipad for most all things personal which is casual computing.
I agree with you that seeing and using it are two different things. Considering that, how was your hands on experience with the Surface Pro in your line of work, since you mention that "the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad."
Other thing that confused me was your line "The devices has to work in all places at all times", but then you mention that "I am not saying the Ipad it perfect for all things, it is not". You admit that having two devices is a compromise too. At least the Surface Book has a full size keyboard and touchpad, capable of detaching the screen as a tablet. I don't see why is that a bad thing.
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Long and short, the surface it no better than what was done years ago in the PC world, it is not really new, it just the same thing, you still need a keyboard and something other than your finger to input on the screen. I speaking from lots of experience not, from a bunch of marking hype that MS is putting out.
I can say the same from Apple devices, for example, as the iPad Pro. And I have a lot of experience too, and Apple have the same marketing hype for their devices.
For Microsoft, they need to recognize that competing against Apple just sets them up as a follower instead of simply focusing on making high quality, differentiated products and services. I'm happy to see them trying with products like the Surface Book, but when they focus on competing with Apple, instead of selling me on how I can use their products and why using their products makes more sense for me, I am unimpressed.
The whole use-case for a touch-screen laptop makes zero sense to me. Frankly I cannot stand when people touch my 15" rMBP screen, when they're pointing at something on screen. And there is no point where moving your hand from keyboard to screen is natural or time saving - it's the opposite. It takes extra time and forces you to hold your arm and hand in the air in order to do something on-screen that could have been better done on the track pad.
Using a touchscreen laptop is actually pretty awesome. It's even better on a Surface Pro. Maybe for you it's unnatural or a waste of time. Browsing the web with a touchscreen is better than using a touch pad.
I agree with you that seeing and using it are two different things. Considering that, how was your hands on experience with the Surface Pro in your line of work, since you mention that "the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad."
Other thing that confused me was your line "The devices has to work in all places at all times", but then you mention that "I am not saying the Ipad it perfect for all things, it is not". You admit that having two devices is a compromise too. At least the Surface Book has a full size keyboard and touchpad, capable of detaching the screen as a tablet. I don't see why is that a bad thing.
I can say the same from Apple devices, for example, as the iPad Pro. And I have a lot of experience too, and Apple have the same marketing hype for their devices.
The Surface Book's detachable screen is a gimmick - similar to the old fold back ones, or the swivel ones both of which disappeared.... since most people that bought a laptop actually just wanted a quality laptop. After first buying the Surface Book -- my guess is the vast majority will never actually detach the screen after the first week.... except for maybe when they show that it can be done to friends. They have compromised the compactness of the laptop for a feature that will rarely ever be used. Detaching the screen and you will run out of battery in a matter of a few hours.... not good. Not to mention most applications won't really be written for it as a "tablet" (which I gather Microsoft is calling something else since it would never live up to other tablets). Having a detachable screen is not a bad thing, the compromises that were made just to say they had a detachable screen are.
The iPad Pro has a lot of promise right now, all of what is in it from a technical point of view has focus on specific solutions that many people have an interest in..... it is however an unreleased product so it is just promise at this point.
Using a touchscreen laptop is actually pretty awesome. It's even better on a Surface Pro. Maybe for you it's unnatural or a waste of time. Browsing the web with a touchscreen is better than using a touch pad.
Browsing the internet is not working, for most people. If that's all you do on your touchscreen laptop, cheers to you for not having to do anything productive, like writing papers, emails, or generating complex spreadsheets. Because if you had to do any of these tasks, you would recognize that moving your fingers from the keyboard to the screen wastes time, dirties your screen and just has no place in computing today.
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Real pain when testing on the actual device? Really?
But that is the only way to test it correctly! virtual iOS device simulators:
1) don't have all the resources that the actual device has
2) have unrealistic performance both in the number of cores, its (CPU) speed and GPU speed.
Try debugging a 3GB app GPS based app in the field some time and then we will talk. My preferred solution would be XCode for the iPad Pro which I think would make both of us happy.
See and use is two different things, have been using portable computing devices since 1990 when Apple came out with the thier first laptop, and have only used a portable device ever since. I been on both Mac and PC during that time and I have used tables prior to the whole Ipad changing how it can be done and they all failed. Doing any real work requires real keyboard, and the properly weighted system so they the display does not weigh more then the place were you place your hands. The devices has to work in all places at all times. and the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad.I carry my laptop around and my ipad, there is times I do not want to deal with my laptop to just read an email or look something up on the web or just do some mindly game. I use a PC Laptop for work and my ipad for personal stuff as well as some work stuff. In the past I use to carry around by my Mac Laptop and Work PC, today I got rid of my Mac Laptop and use my Ipad for most all things personal which is casual computing.
I agree with you that seeing and using it are two different things. Considering that, how was your hands on experience with the Surface Pro in your line of work, since you mention that "the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad."
Other thing that confused me was your line "The devices has to work in all places at all times", but then you mention that "I am not saying the Ipad it perfect for all things, it is not". You admit that having two devices is a compromise too. At least the Surface Book has a full size keyboard and touchpad, capable of detaching the screen as a tablet. I don't see why is that a bad thing.
I can say the same from Apple devices, for example, as the iPad Pro. And I have a lot of experience too, and Apple have the same marketing hype for their devices.
Based in your post, I shouldn't expect too much from you opinion about MS Office.
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Originally Posted by sphericNot reviews. Customer satisfaction results. Screw the reviews.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Using a touchscreen laptop is actually pretty awesome. It's even better on a Surface Pro. Maybe for you it's unnatural or a waste of time. Browsing the web with a touchscreen is better than using a touch pad.
I agree with you that seeing and using it are two different things. Considering that, how was your hands on experience with the Surface Pro in your line of work, since you mention that "the Surface acting like a tablet which acts like a Laptop does both things really bad."
Other thing that confused me was your line "The devices has to work in all places at all times", but then you mention that "I am not saying the Ipad it perfect for all things, it is not". You admit that having two devices is a compromise too. At least the Surface Book has a full size keyboard and touchpad, capable of detaching the screen as a tablet. I don't see why is that a bad thing.
I can say the same from Apple devices, for example, as the iPad Pro. And I have a lot of experience too, and Apple have the same marketing hype for their devices.
The Surface Book's detachable screen is a gimmick - similar to the old fold back ones, or the swivel ones both of which disappeared.... since most people that bought a laptop actually just wanted a quality laptop. After first buying the Surface Book -- my guess is the vast majority will never actually detach the screen after the first week.... except for maybe when they show that it can be done to friends. They have compromised the compactness of the laptop for a feature that will rarely ever be used. Detaching the screen and you will run out of battery in a matter of a few hours.... not good. Not to mention most applications won't really be written for it as a "tablet" (which I gather Microsoft is calling something else since it would never live up to other tablets). Having a detachable screen is not a bad thing, the compromises that were made just to say they had a detachable screen are.
The iPad Pro has a lot of promise right now, all of what is in it from a technical point of view has focus on specific solutions that many people have an interest in..... it is however an unreleased product so it is just promise at this point.
Using a touchscreen laptop is actually pretty awesome. It's even better on a Surface Pro. Maybe for you it's unnatural or a waste of time. Browsing the web with a touchscreen is better than using a touch pad.
Browsing the internet is not working, for most people. If that's all you do on your touchscreen laptop, cheers to you for not having to do anything productive, like writing papers, emails, or generating complex spreadsheets. Because if you had to do any of these tasks, you would recognize that moving your fingers from the keyboard to the screen wastes time, dirties your screen and just has no place in computing today.