?Your choice of products makes it obvious that you're confusing your personal criteria with goals that Apple is trying to achieve.
iWork used to be so much better than Microsoft Word at fulfilling ordinary users' needs that it wasn't even funny. They have broken some of those aspects in their iOS/Mac file-format unification, unfortunately.
Apple Music — I dunno. The roll-out was fraught with a few difficulties, but overall, going from zero to 6.5 million paying subscribers seems like the product must be pretty good, no?
Apple Watch — I'm just gonna roll my eyes at that one. It is a magnificent product. The end.
iCloud — works fine. Seamless backups of all my iOS hardware, seamless transitions from one device to the next, seamless syncing of contacts, emails, calendars, and passwords everywhere.
MacBook — Awesome laptop. Utterly awesome. Obviously not yours. Nobody cares. In a few years' time, nobody will question why it existed.
No, I'm not confused. I just listed some things Apple have failed.
iWorks - Looks like you agree is not that good.
Apple Music - Awful and confusing UI. Spotify is a better option. And if you think that it's a good services because they have 6.5m subscribers, then you should think that Windows 8 is better than OS X, since it has a larger market share than all OS X versions available. I don't agree with that.
Apple Watch - I don't have one, but the reviews and people feedback is not that positive.
iCloud - Maybe it's good for your needs, but the service as a whole is behind Google and MS.
Macbook - Poor performance and expansion, plus one of the worst keyboards I have ever used, and the battery isn't that good. I don't know why you mention the "in a few years time" when I talking of the device we have today. Maybe you see it as the first release of a great future device. Interesting how MS was criticised for doing the same with their Surface Pro line, and now they have a great device. Let's see how the Macbook develops in the next few years.
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Moving to Retina displays across all product lines...
I haven't seen the Macbook Air with Retina.
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building fan-free laptops,
Just the Macbook, is it's a single laptop (not laptops).
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unibody designs, multi-touch and then Force Touch, and all the features thrown into the OS over the past decade hardly qualify as "hanging in there". They're pushing the platform so far forward that even you can't see where they're going (vis: MacBook). All the while taking in, what was it, 85% of computer profits?
"Hanging in there", indeed.
Agree Apple has done great things with their devices, but I can say the same from MS with their Surface Pro devices, Lenovo with the X1 Carbon and the Yogas, and HP with their Z Workstations. It's clear that Apple is the one doing the profits, but that doesn't means that other companies aren't innovating and releasing great devices.
And yes, "the hanged in there", doing their best. Again, I don't see how that it's a bad thing.
Hey, DanVM, you're on a [s]troll[/s] roll like Microsoft is paying you by the word.
That aside, Apple is primarily a hardware company that pretty much gives away most of its software and networked services for free or a very low price. The price-to-value ratio is quite impressive, by any standard. It is world's most profitable company, and that's because of its hardware.
Microsoft, otoh, is a software company that (even Xbox included) has a solidly and consistently unimpressive financial history of hardware. It's a litany of abject failure on the hardware front. It'll be many many years before we know they can hack it there. First, they have to start reporting some numbers. They're not even there yet.
I'll grant that Microsoft has had success with its cloud efforts, is coming on strong there, and the market recognizes it. As are Amazon, and soon Dell, IBM, HP, Dropbox, etc. It's becoming a very crowded field with some very big players and margins could sink quickly. It'll be another few years before we know how that plays out. I'll also grant that, under Nadella, the company has become more disciplined, less defensive, and a bit more confident. But that's still a long way from the company being a serious threat to Apple on hardware.
Also, don't forget. Microsoft owns the corporation. Apple is starting from near-zero. What got them a foot in the door was their hardware, specifically the iPhone and the iPad. We're seeing the first tentative pitches thrown in what is going to be a very long game. Let's check back in a few years.
Yet we are not talking about an XPS system. MS made the comparison based solely on size, knowing full well the rMBP in 13" has an integrated gpu, so they could show the speed difference. But when you look at price and performance it's clear there are lots of other options.
The PC market has not sold me on why there is a need for a touch screen on a laptop. I don't buy the drawing aspect and interaction with the screen when it's in laptop form slows down speed with which you work because of the unnatural change in plane that your hands have to move.
The Surface Book is sort of a convertible, but really it's just a laptop when you take what MS is promoting.
I'm confused on what you're trying to get at. Size and weight is the exact reason for the comparison to the 13" rMBP. This is Microsoft saying, look at the specs and performance we packed into the same envelope.
Of course the price is going to be a bit higher, it's a more capable device. It has a magnesium body, a 3000x2000 display, 12 hour battery life in laptop mode, optional dGPU and it's also a tablet. The entry model with an i5 CPU, dGPU, 8 GB RAM and a 128 GB storage is $1699. It's only when you start to add on for extra storage, RAM and an i7 CPU do you go above $2000.
As for drawing, the display can be reversed and still utilize the dGPU, battery and ports inside of the keyboard.
I'm confused on what you're trying to get at. Size and weight is the exact reason for the comparison to the 13" rMBP. This is Microsoft saying, look at the specs and performance we packed into the same envelope.
Of course the price is going to be a bit higher, it's a more capable device. It has a magnesium body, a 3000x2000 display, 12 hour battery life in laptop mode, optional dGPU and it's also a tablet. The entry model with an i5 CPU, dGPU, 8 GB RAM and a 128 GB storage is $1699. It's only when you start to add on for extra storage, RAM and an i7 CPU do you go above $2000.
As for drawing, the display can be reversed and still utilize the dGPU, battery and ports inside of the keyboard.
No, MS was purposely comparing unlike models and the speed or power they refer to was all based upon the dGPU. So when you build out the specs of the SB, and you can get a more powerful, faster, 15" rMBP, for $200 less, I fail to see where the benefit is of the overpriced SB.
And no, the base model 128gb SB does not have a dGPU. So why doesn't MS make the comparison of dGPU to dGPU models? It will certainly be interesting to see the results. And as far as the touch screen, there is no functional benefit to it for me, period. And I think MS realizes that it's a spec they're adding because they have to have something, but they're really not showing us how we're supposed to work with the touch screen. And as far as the screen being a tablet - with a 2-3 hour battery life? I'm sure Apple will increase the resolution of the rMBP on their next update, but again, you have to then consider how that impacts other things like battery life, heat, etc.
Hey bud, if you think this shit is durability, I can't take you seriously. I bet you think a "bending" in an edited youtube video is also all you need to prove anything! That seems like your spiel.
No, MS was purposely comparing unlike models and the speed or power they refer to was all based upon the dGPU. So when you build out the specs of the SB, and you can get a more powerful, faster, 15" rMBP, for $200 less, I fail to see where the benefit is of the overpriced SB.
And no, the base model 128gb SB does not have a dGPU. 1. So why doesn't MS make the comparison of dGPU to dGPU models? It will certainly be interesting to see the results. 2. And as far as the touch screen, there is no functional benefit to it for me, period. 3. And I think MS realizes that it's a spec they're adding because they have to have something, but they're really not showing us how we're supposed to work with the touch screen. 3. And as far as the screen being a tablet - with a 2-3 hour battery life? I'm sure Apple will increase the resolution of the rMBP on their next update, but again, you have to then consider how that impacts other things like battery life, heat, etc.
The 15" rMBP is a larger heavier device in a different size class, I don't understand your comparison. It also doesn't offer the tablet/pen features. By that logic you can get a Sager laptop with a 4K Gsync 15" display, a desktop i7-6700, a GTX 980M and 16 GB DDR4-2133 for only $2,375 which is less than the 15" rMBP. So who cares if it's a larger and heavier device /s.
Hey, DanVM, you're on a troll roll like Microsoft is paying you by the word.
That aside, Apple is primarily a hardware company that pretty much gives away most of its software and networked services for free or a very low price. The price-to-value ratio is quite impressive, by any standard. It is world's most profitable company, and that's because of its hardware.
When you see the quality of software like iWorks and compared it MS Office, or Photos as replacement for Aperture, then is easy to see the reason they gave it for free.
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Microsoft, otoh, is a software company that (even Xbox included) has a solidly and consistently unimpressive financial history of hardware. It's a litany of abject failure on the hardware front. It'll be many many years before we know they can hack it there. First, they have to start reporting some numbers. They're not even there yet.
You are right. But it looks like they have a hit in their hands with the Surface Pro, and now the Surface Book. Looking forward to see how it goes.
And looks like Xbox is doing good, even though PS4 is ahead.
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I'll grant that Microsoft has had success with its cloud efforts, is coming on strong there, and the market recognizes it. As are Amazon, and soon Dell, IBM, HP, Dropbox, etc. It's becoming a very crowded field with some very big players and margins could sink quickly. It'll be another few years before we know how that plays out. I'll also grant that, under Nadella, the company has become more disciplined, less defensive, and a bit more confident. But that's still a long way from the company being a serious threat to Apple on hardware.
From what I have seen, Amazon and MS are the top cloud providers and are far ahead of the third one (even Amazon have a big advantage over MS Azure). The other competitors aren't at the same level yet, and doesn't look like there will be someone close soon (at least in the IaaS and PaaS market). And I don't see how MS cloud business is a threat to Apple hardware business.
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Also, don't forget. Microsoft owns the corporation. Apple is starting from near-zero. What got them a foot in the door was their hardware, specifically the iPhone and the iPad. We're seeing the first tentative pitches thrown in what is going to be a very long game. Let's check back in a few years.
No, MS was purposely comparing unlike models and the speed or power they refer to was all based upon the dGPU. So when you build out the specs of the SB, and you can get a more powerful, faster, 15" rMBP, for $200 less, I fail to see where the benefit is of the overpriced SB.
And no, the base model 128gb SB does not have a dGPU. So why doesn't MS make the comparison of dGPU to dGPU models? It will certainly be interesting to see the results. And as far as the touch screen, there is no functional benefit to it for me, period. And I think MS realizes that it's a spec they're adding because they have to have something, but they're really not showing us how we're supposed to work with the touch screen. And as far as the screen being a tablet - with a 2-3 hour battery life? I'm sure Apple will increase the resolution of the rMBP on their next update, but again, you have to then consider how that impacts other things like battery life, heat, etc.
Let's face it the comparison was misleading. As far as the touch screen that's all Intel and Microsoft is forced to push it just like everyone else. People have no need to upgrade PCs that frequently so Intel is desperate to find something that might get people to upgrade.
My current 6 year old PC, with Windows 10, can boot faster than my brand new 27" iMac . Just like WinDoze, what do we call this "OS X Doze" or "AppleNap"?
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?Your choice of products makes it obvious that you're confusing your personal criteria with goals that Apple is trying to achieve.
iWork used to be so much better than Microsoft Word at fulfilling ordinary users' needs that it wasn't even funny. They have broken some of those aspects in their iOS/Mac file-format unification, unfortunately.
Apple Music — I dunno. The roll-out was fraught with a few difficulties, but overall, going from zero to 6.5 million paying subscribers seems like the product must be pretty good, no?
Apple Watch — I'm just gonna roll my eyes at that one. It is a magnificent product. The end.
iCloud — works fine. Seamless backups of all my iOS hardware, seamless transitions from one device to the next, seamless syncing of contacts, emails, calendars, and passwords everywhere.
MacBook — Awesome laptop. Utterly awesome. Obviously not yours. Nobody cares. In a few years' time, nobody will question why it existed.
No, I'm not confused. I just listed some things Apple have failed.
iWorks - Looks like you agree is not that good.
Apple Music - Awful and confusing UI. Spotify is a better option. And if you think that it's a good services because they have 6.5m subscribers, then you should think that Windows 8 is better than OS X, since it has a larger market share than all OS X versions available. I don't agree with that.
Apple Watch - I don't have one, but the reviews and people feedback is not that positive.
iCloud - Maybe it's good for your needs, but the service as a whole is behind Google and MS.
Macbook - Poor performance and expansion, plus one of the worst keyboards I have ever used, and the battery isn't that good. I don't know why you mention the "in a few years time" when I talking of the device we have today. Maybe you see it as the first release of a great future device. Interesting how MS was criticised for doing the same with their Surface Pro line, and now they have a great device. Let's see how the Macbook develops in the next few years.
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Moving to Retina displays across all product lines...
I haven't seen the Macbook Air with Retina.
building fan-free laptops,
Just the Macbook, is it's a single laptop (not laptops).
"Hanging in there", indeed.
Agree Apple has done great things with their devices, but I can say the same from MS with their Surface Pro devices, Lenovo with the X1 Carbon and the Yogas, and HP with their Z Workstations. It's clear that Apple is the one doing the profits, but that doesn't means that other companies aren't innovating and releasing great devices.
And yes, "the hanged in there", doing their best. Again, I don't see how that it's a bad thing.
I guess you never got the 'never forget' memo.
That aside, Apple is primarily a hardware company that pretty much gives away most of its software and networked services for free or a very low price. The price-to-value ratio is quite impressive, by any standard. It is world's most profitable company, and that's because of its hardware.
Microsoft, otoh, is a software company that (even Xbox included) has a solidly and consistently unimpressive financial history of hardware. It's a litany of abject failure on the hardware front. It'll be many many years before we know they can hack it there. First, they have to start reporting some numbers. They're not even there yet.
I'll grant that Microsoft has had success with its cloud efforts, is coming on strong there, and the market recognizes it. As are Amazon, and soon Dell, IBM, HP, Dropbox, etc. It's becoming a very crowded field with some very big players and margins could sink quickly. It'll be another few years before we know how that plays out. I'll also grant that, under Nadella, the company has become more disciplined, less defensive, and a bit more confident. But that's still a long way from the company being a serious threat to Apple on hardware.
Also, don't forget. Microsoft owns the corporation. Apple is starting from near-zero. What got them a foot in the door was their hardware, specifically the iPhone and the iPad. We're seeing the first tentative pitches thrown in what is going to be a very long game. Let's check back in a few years.
And I guess you never got the implied sarcasm memo....
Not as much as you missed mine. I didn't think I had to add the laughing emoji.
To be fair, with you, one never knows when you could be trolling.
(Emoji added just so there's no confusion).
Boot, meet other foot. When you remember Ballmer's comments about the original iPhone, you realise how much things have changed.
Yet we are not talking about an XPS system. MS made the comparison based solely on size, knowing full well the rMBP in 13" has an integrated gpu, so they could show the speed difference. But when you look at price and performance it's clear there are lots of other options.
The PC market has not sold me on why there is a need for a touch screen on a laptop. I don't buy the drawing aspect and interaction with the screen when it's in laptop form slows down speed with which you work because of the unnatural change in plane that your hands have to move.
The Surface Book is sort of a convertible, but really it's just a laptop when you take what MS is promoting.
I'm confused on what you're trying to get at. Size and weight is the exact reason for the comparison to the 13" rMBP. This is Microsoft saying, look at the specs and performance we packed into the same envelope.
Of course the price is going to be a bit higher, it's a more capable device. It has a magnesium body, a 3000x2000 display, 12 hour battery life in laptop mode, optional dGPU and it's also a tablet. The entry model with an i5 CPU, dGPU, 8 GB RAM and a 128 GB storage is $1699. It's only when you start to add on for extra storage, RAM and an i7 CPU do you go above $2000.
As for drawing, the display can be reversed and still utilize the dGPU, battery and ports inside of the keyboard.
I'm confused on what you're trying to get at. Size and weight is the exact reason for the comparison to the 13" rMBP. This is Microsoft saying, look at the specs and performance we packed into the same envelope.
Of course the price is going to be a bit higher, it's a more capable device. It has a magnesium body, a 3000x2000 display, 12 hour battery life in laptop mode, optional dGPU and it's also a tablet. The entry model with an i5 CPU, dGPU, 8 GB RAM and a 128 GB storage is $1699. It's only when you start to add on for extra storage, RAM and an i7 CPU do you go above $2000.
As for drawing, the display can be reversed and still utilize the dGPU, battery and ports inside of the keyboard.
No, MS was purposely comparing unlike models and the speed or power they refer to was all based upon the dGPU. So when you build out the specs of the SB, and you can get a more powerful, faster, 15" rMBP, for $200 less, I fail to see where the benefit is of the overpriced SB.
And no, the base model 128gb SB does not have a dGPU. So why doesn't MS make the comparison of dGPU to dGPU models? It will certainly be interesting to see the results. And as far as the touch screen, there is no functional benefit to it for me, period. And I think MS realizes that it's a spec they're adding because they have to have something, but they're really not showing us how we're supposed to work with the touch screen. And as far as the screen being a tablet - with a 2-3 hour battery life? I'm sure Apple will increase the resolution of the rMBP on their next update, but again, you have to then consider how that impacts other things like battery life, heat, etc.
Apparently, durability is not a problem.
This isn’t a durability test. This is what you do after five minutes of owning one.
Oh Ballmer, you are a major **** up, I am sure you are aware of this.
I'd love to be a major **** up if I could have his bank balance.
Apparently, durability is not a problem.
Hey bud, if you think this shit is durability, I can't take you seriously. I bet you think a "bending" in an edited youtube video is also all you need to prove anything! That seems like your spiel.
No, MS was purposely comparing unlike models and the speed or power they refer to was all based upon the dGPU. So when you build out the specs of the SB, and you can get a more powerful, faster, 15" rMBP, for $200 less, I fail to see where the benefit is of the overpriced SB.
And no, the base model 128gb SB does not have a dGPU. 1. So why doesn't MS make the comparison of dGPU to dGPU models? It will certainly be interesting to see the results. 2. And as far as the touch screen, there is no functional benefit to it for me, period. 3. And I think MS realizes that it's a spec they're adding because they have to have something, but they're really not showing us how we're supposed to work with the touch screen. 3. And as far as the screen being a tablet - with a 2-3 hour battery life? I'm sure Apple will increase the resolution of the rMBP on their next update, but again, you have to then consider how that impacts other things like battery life, heat, etc.
The 15" rMBP is a larger heavier device in a different size class, I don't understand your comparison. It also doesn't offer the tablet/pen features. By that logic you can get a Sager laptop with a 4K Gsync 15" display, a desktop i7-6700, a GTX 980M and 16 GB DDR4-2133 for only $2,375 which is less than the 15" rMBP. So who cares if it's a larger and heavier device /s.
The base model is $1499 without a dGPU. There is a model for $1699 with the dGPU and 128 GB storage (http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/22/microsoft-surface-book-dgpu-1700/).
1. The 13" rMBP doesn't have a dGPU, so there is nothing to compare.
2. Just because touch and the stylus has no benefit to you, doesn't mean there aren't people that will benefit.
3. 3 hour battery life in the tablet is enough for using it away from the keyboard for brief amounts of time.
I'd love to be a major **** up if I could have his bank balance.
Above a certain bank balance the rest is immaterial.
Hey, DanVM, you're on a troll roll like Microsoft is paying you by the word.
That aside, Apple is primarily a hardware company that pretty much gives away most of its software and networked services for free or a very low price. The price-to-value ratio is quite impressive, by any standard. It is world's most profitable company, and that's because of its hardware.
When you see the quality of software like iWorks and compared it MS Office, or Photos as replacement for Aperture, then is easy to see the reason they gave it for free.
You are right. But it looks like they have a hit in their hands with the Surface Pro, and now the Surface Book. Looking forward to see how it goes.
And looks like Xbox is doing good, even though PS4 is ahead.
From what I have seen, Amazon and MS are the top cloud providers and are far ahead of the third one (even Amazon have a big advantage over MS Azure). The other competitors aren't at the same level yet, and doesn't look like there will be someone close soon (at least in the IaaS and PaaS market). And I don't see how MS cloud business is a threat to Apple hardware business.
Looking forward to that too.
Let's face it the comparison was misleading. As far as the touch screen that's all Intel and Microsoft is forced to push it just like everyone else. People have no need to upgrade PCs that frequently so Intel is desperate to find something that might get people to upgrade.
Giving Samsung a run for its money in the astroturfing department.
My current 6 year old PC, with Windows 10, can boot faster than my brand new 27" iMac . Just like WinDoze, what do we call this "OS X Doze" or "AppleNap"?