Motorcycle riding is dangerous enough with 80%+ of accidents caused by the other driver. So what kind of moron tries to unlock and use their phone while riding a motorcycle? Automatic jail time should be required.
What kind of moron even makes that comment?... (Automatic sterilization should be required.) For any of us that actually ride motorcycles, we are certain that he's talking about pulling over and stopping to check the phone (maps/iTunes/phone call)... That doesn't always include helmet removal.
Do any current or upcoming Apple computers perhaps have a secure enclave chip to allow Face ID to run on them? The FaceTime Camera seems like a perfect piece of hardware for the job, and things like battery power and CPU power aren't an issue for desktop or laptop computers. Can anyone give a reason why this shouldn't work on an Apple computer?
So with all the bitching about the iPhone X and the dire pronouncements of 'not going to upgrade' I guess the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8+ got lost in the shuffle. For those bitching about Face ID... iPhone 8 or 8+? For those bitching about price... iPhone 8 or 8+? For those bitching about bezels and notches... iPhone 8 or 8+? What? Apple only makes one iPhone now and it's not for you? Please explain.
iPhone 8 is $100 more expensive than iPhone 7 was. I am a little surprised Apple quoted the full price instead of monthly pricing.
The new iPhone 4.7" model has been $649 for the last 3 years, ever since the 6 models. The 8 is $50 more.
The 7 plus was $769, so the 8 plus is $30 more.
A bit surprising that they had this increase, but I can see the reasoning: - increased the base storage one year after moving to 32GB on the 7 series - both the 7/7+ and 6s/6s+, as well as the SE remain in the lineup for the broadest iPhone line ever - it is small enough ($50 and $30 respectively) to not elicit too much blowback
As for the $999 price of the X, it is pretty much inline with competition, with the Samsung Note 8 at $950 and the Galaxy S8+ at $850. Rumour is that the top-of-the-line OLED screens Apple is getting from S are significantly more. I will say I thought at that price the base model would be 128GB, but that thinking was before the rumours on screen cost.
I was concerned that it wouldn't be as reliable as TouchID, and Craig's demo didn't do anything to help with that.
I would guess that they already know it will be more reliable than Touch ID. Touch ID can get thrown off just by your skin being dry.
Indeed, my wife has a hard time with TouchID since the skin on her finger tips peel and so her fingerprints are almost worthless. FaceID would be awesome for her.
No. $999 for 64GB, and $1149 for 256Gb. Where did you come up with that number?
Based on the name and the way it's written I'm guessing that English isn't his first language so then I might assume that he's form Norway. The price in Norwegian Krone for the 256GB model is 12 690,00, or $1618.93 USD, as of this posting.
But that's with Norwegian VAT, exchange rates, local cost differentials etc.
Obviously, but why does that matter when it's about the cost to the customer? If you told me that you'd give me some widget for free but there was a service charge of $10k applied to it would you be confused if I said I don't want to pay $10k and reply with "but it's free!" All that matters is what he has to pay, so why be upset that he took the time to convert into USD for you instead of writing that's it's out of his price range in Norwegian?
I remember a time which an Ericsson phone (that when attached to its battery for when you wanted to take it out of the car weighed 2kg) cost $3K USD in 1980 dollars.
No. $999 for 64GB, and $1149 for 256Gb. Where did you come up with that number?
Based on the name and the way it's written I'm guessing that English isn't his first language so then I might assume that he's form Norway. The price in Norwegian Krone for the 256GB model is 12 690,00, or $1618.93 USD, as of this posting.
That includes no doubt VAT. $1150 * 1.25 = $1425 (that would be the US price with a 25% VAT). That's before converting to Krone 1425 * 1.20 is about $1725..
So, in fact the phone is cheaper in Norway than in the US.
Oddly, it's more expensive in Australia. I say "oddly" because typically Apple prices have worked out pretty well once taking GST and exchange rates into account.
But, iPhone X 64GB is listed by Apple at A$1579.
GST = 10% => ex-tax price: A$1435.45
Current exchange rate is A$1 = US$0.8019 => US$1151.09
Might have a bit to do with the financial markets outlook on AUS. I remember reading a report predicting a big fall in the Aussie dollar in 2018.
No. $999 for 64GB, and $1149 for 256Gb. Where did you come up with that number?
That's the price in Europe...or more exact, Sweden.
Was the price of the iPhone 7 (or now, 8) proportionally less high than that of the X, compared to US prices? In other words, if a phone costing $500 in the US costs $800 in Sweden, what's the issue?
iP7+ costs about $890 in Sweden, while iPx is $1625, I find that horrendous for a piece of telephone. For goods sake it's a telephone. Both my kids and wife have a 7+, I am still on 5s. Have been a apple fanboy for many years, but I guess it is time to look elsewhere. iP8 is just so much...iP7, it's boring. I rather take something else. Maybe I will go the El cheap on route and pick a perfectly working $50 dual SIM card phone.
If you believe it’s just a telephone then get yourself a nokia. iphone is a pocket computer that happens to make telephone calls.
Lot of nice stuff on the Phone, but there is no way on planet earth I am paying $1,000 for a cell phone. If I had Tim Cook's paycheck I would not pay $1,000 for a cell phone. Friends, this is a device most people replace every 2 years. My iPad Pro was about that price and is a far more useful item.
I will be updating my watch from V1 to V3 with LTE and keeping my iPhone 7.
Here's the thing, with the amount of performance iPhones now have and also given their price, it could be we're on the verge of witnessing more users upgrade their iPhones every 3 to 4 years.
According to a poll Gruber cited most normals only replace their phone when the old one breaks. Years. Phone nerds replace them every year or two, but not most people per this survey.
Upgrading from a 5s . . . I would like everyone's thoughts on what I should buy now.
A few questions/observations:
-1- I would love the idea of extra screen size via the iPhone X, but is it fair to say that a lot of that 5.8" is owed to the diagonal measurement including the areas on both sides of the notch at the top? I can't see that space being very useful.
Not "a lot of it" by any measure. A very small amount of it. The same horizontal slice is consumed by status info on EVERY SMARTPHONE MADE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
-2- What are the main advantages of getting the 8 over the 7? It seems like two additional hours of battery life, plus you get 64GB of storage. Anything else?
Better display color, contrast, etc. wireless charging, upgraded camera, etc. plus what you mentioned.
-3- I am not sure I want to wait a couple months, either, so I think for me it comes down to the 7, the 8, or . . . sleeping with the enemy and getting an S8.
Resale value, ecosystem, performance, privacy, security, all the usual advantages of an iPhone over the competition.
I'm guessing the FaceID will be popular with law enforcement. Maybe that's a feature and not a bug.
No different from law enforcement ordering you to unlock your phone by using TouchID. With FaceID, you can always look away, or close your eyes, the act (and consequences) of which would be no different than your refusing to place your finger on the TouchID button.
In other words, it's not clear to me there's any qualitative difference between the two.
It's interesting in that with TouchID all it takes is someone (not necessarily you) putting YOUR finger on the sensor. You need not be conscious or finger be attached to your hand for someone hell-bent on getting access to your phone.
However, if Apple has made a genuine, reliable implementation of FaceID then is it safe to say that no one can open up your phone unless it's your face with your eyes open? The police can't forcibly open someone's eyelids in such a way that FaceID will work... Good luck with that.
Perhaps FaceID is a better way in terms of unauthorized access. The girlfriend will no longer place their partner's finger on the phone while they sleep to access their text messages.
None of that shit ever happened. And it doesn’t work with dead fingers per Apple.
Was that stuff about laser autofocus and AR enhancing sensors on the X fake news? I don't remember them saying it was any better at AR than the 8
The AR requirements are using the rear camera and internal sensors like the gyroscope to map virtual objects onto a physical space. It's supported all the way back to the 6S models. The additional sensors on the front are exclusive to the X and are what make the anemoji and FaceID capabilities exclusive to that model.
No touch ID is a big problem. Using face only is a big problem. yuck.
How do you know until you’ve used it or read reviews?
While there are going to be some scenarios where FaceID doesn't work where TouchID does (sunglasses, face coverings), it will also work when TouchID failed - gloves, wet fingers. It will take some time with real world feedback to determine if it is something for everyone. I will admit I feel as though I would miss the "just click it" (often without looking) aspect of TouchID, but behaviours change.
I have a 7 and won't be upgrading this year anyways (my money will be for a new iMac), so I have some time to observe.
I think FaceID can be easily compromised by hard core criminals.
Did you really think, or are you just saying it? As they said, no security is perfect, but this is pretty good. They even made a point of saying that it’s the best “consumer” technology, recognizing that governmental and large corporate systems, with their supervision of the site itself being a part of it, are more secure. Military installations that use fingerprint or iris recognition have two armed guards watching to make sure nobody does anything to cheat the system.
I am thinking that a dummy head may be used to unlock. Unless FaceID can see details of the skin,
Check the keynote at 1:31:22. They specifically addressed this in the presentation. They used Hollywood mask-makers and makeup artists to create these "dummy heads" for the engineers to use to train the neural networks to recognize these kinds of fakes.
Shit, if someone wants to go to that much trouble to get into your phone, well...
Exactly. There's an IR (infrared) camera that's picking up temperature variations across the face, and you can be sure the neural processor is checking to ensure these match with the variations across an actual living human face. So you can produce a photorealistic mask, but you'll also have to warm it in the way tempurature varies across a living human face. That would not be impossible, perhaps, but it represents a very high bar for faking someone's face, especially given what's been hashed and stored in the phone is based upon the unique heat signature characteristics of the phone owner's face. That's going to differ dramatically, for example, for someone like me with a high and bony nose bridge versus someone with a flatter, more fleshy nose. To use just one portion of the face as an example.
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For any of us that actually ride motorcycles, we are certain that he's talking about pulling over and stopping to check the phone (maps/iTunes/phone call)... That doesn't always include helmet removal.
The 7 plus was $769, so the 8 plus is $30 more.
A bit surprising that they had this increase, but I can see the reasoning:
- increased the base storage one year after moving to 32GB on the 7 series
- both the 7/7+ and 6s/6s+, as well as the SE remain in the lineup for the broadest iPhone line ever
- it is small enough ($50 and $30 respectively) to not elicit too much blowback
As for the $999 price of the X, it is pretty much inline with competition, with the Samsung Note 8 at $950 and the Galaxy S8+ at $850. Rumour is that the top-of-the-line OLED screens Apple is getting from S are significantly more. I will say I thought at that price the base model would be 128GB, but that thinking was before the rumours on screen cost.
It seems their main beef with thehone is that it's made by Apple.
(I'm in Canada).
But I also paid the equivalent of $15K for a IBM PS80 in 1987 so cheap is a relative term for me.
If you keep your phone 3 years, that's $500 per year and you probably can resell it for $500 at the end, so in fact $300 a year,
I spend much more than that on coffee alone per year.
Seriously these fringe cases are a joke and nothing anybody here is going to need to worry about. Just mindless stuff to argue about.
Meanwhile:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/09/its-about-to-get-tougher-for-cops-border-agents-to-get-at-your-iphones-data/
If you believe it’s just a telephone then get yourself a nokia. iphone is a pocket computer that happens to make telephone calls.
According to a poll Gruber cited most normals only replace their phone when the old one breaks. Years. Phone nerds replace them every year or two, but not most people per this survey.
None of that shit ever happened. And it doesn’t work with dead fingers per Apple.
How do you know until you’ve used it or read reviews?
I have a 7 and won't be upgrading this year anyways (my money will be for a new iMac), so I have some time to observe.