Rumor recap: Who was right and wrong about the iPhone X and iPhone 8

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It's increasingly difficult for Apple to surprise fans at its keynote presentation thanks to persistent leaks. But this year proved even more leaky than usual, thanks largely to Apple itself. AppleInsider offers a recap of the iPhone X and iPhone 8 rumor cycle, with a breakdown of who got what right -- and wrong.


This all happened before

AppleInsider gave a recap of the iPhone 7 rumor cycle after the handset's unveiling last year, and the story remains largely the same this year with one major exception: The iOS 11 golden master and HomePod firmware leaks. Without them, there still would have been a few lingering questions heading into Tuesday's event, and Apple would have had a few surprises up its sleeve.

Outside of Apple's own software security policies, the Apple product rumor cycle followed its usual pattern for the iPhone X and iPhone 8.

We've known for a few years that Apple planned to introduce a redesigned iPhone with edge-to-edge OLED display and new facial recognition technology. Many of the finer points became much clearer and more accurate as the unveiling approached.





Usually this happens because parts and details leak from Apple's massive supply chain, which the company must outsource to meet crushing global demand for its popular products. Software leaks are, historically, less common -- until this year.

As a result, Apple's iPhone X and iPhone 8 unveiling, which also marked the debut of the Apple Watch Series 3 and Apple TV 4K, once again lacked any major surprises -- at least, not for those who read AppleInsider.

Ming-Chi Kuo: Hit or miss

If we're talking rumors, we have to talk about KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is simultaneously respected and reviled in the Apple rumor community. Kuo has an extremely strong track record in predicting Apple's future product plans, and correctly forecast many of the new features of the iPhone 8 and iPhone X months ahead of others.

But Kuo is also far from perfect, as evidenced by some significant misses he made this year.

Rumor trackers would be ill-advised to outright dismiss Kuo, but it's fair to view his leaks with some skepticism. Considering most of the iPhone X and iPhone 8 secrets were known ahead of time this year, we'll start first with what Kuo actually got wrong.




Most notably, he said in August that the iPhone X would launch alongside the iPhone 8 and would come in a total of three colors. He was wrong on both counts: The iPhone X won't be available until November, and it's only available in shades of black and white.

While he nailed the iPhone X screen size well ahead of anyone else (we'll get to that later), at one point he muddied the waters by suggesting that the display would have a dedicated function area not accessible to apps. As a result, he claimed that apps would only be able to tap into a 5.15-inch area of the display.

As it turns out, aside from a thin bar at the bottom of the screen replacing the physical home button, Apple not only allows but encourages apps to take up the entire screen, at least visually, including the spaces to the left and right of the camera/earpiece notch. There is no dedicated function area -- Kuo was flat-out wrong.

Finally, he also waffled on whether or not the iPhone X would have Touch ID -- though prior to Tuesday's announcement he showed skepticism that it would be included, noting in July that Apple faced "technical challenges" in embedding Touch ID into the display. Of course, it's possible that Kuo's course correction occurred because Apple itself changed plans over the development of the iPhone X. We'll never know for sure.

Despite those high-profile misses, Kuo was still the first to report on specifics about the iPhone X and iPhone 8, in many cases well in advance of other supply chain leaks.

Notably, it was in March of 2016 that Kuo first indicated the iPhone X would boast a 5.8-inch OLED display -- something that proved accurate a full year and a half later.




Arguably his biggest leak, and some of the most accurate supply chain details he shared, were regarding the facial recognition technology branded as Face ID. Kuo detailed the game changing technology in a note to investors in February, revealing that it would work in the dark and allow new augmented reality applications, even before ARKit was announced.

He was also the first to differentiate between a 5.5-inch LCD model and a 5.8-inch OLED one at a time when some rumors claimed the iPhone X would supplant the iPhone 8 Plus.

Kuo also predicted a $1,000 starting price for the iPhone X in February of this year, though that prediction came a week after Fast Company suggested it would be Apple's most expensive iPhone ever.

As for the iPhone 8, Kuo first reported in September of 2016 that the dual-lens camera would remain exclusive to the Plus model, with the 4.7-inch variety keeping a single lens. He also revealed in November of last year that the iPhone 8 would switch to a new glass back, and followed up by noting that all 2017 iPhones would support wireless charging.

He was also the first to report in March of this year that all of Apple's 2017 iPhones would include fast charging via Lightning port. Apple revealed on Tuesday that the iPhone 8 series and iPhone X can get a 50 percent recharge in 30 minutes with a USB-C to Lightning cable and higher wattage adapter, such as the 29-watt brick for the 12-inch MacBook.




Those predictions came well in advance of the event, but he also chimed in just before the announcement, revealing Apple would not sell its own wireless chargers at the iPhone 8 and iPhone X launches and would instead rely on third-party partners. He was right: Apple's own wireless charging pad won't launch until 2018.

Outside of the iPhone, Kuo also reaffirmed that the Apple Watch Series 3 would have a version with cellular connectivity and that it would have the same form factor as its predecessors.

But he also whiffed big time in August, when he said the Apple Watch Series 3 with cellular might not support voice calls at launch.

In reality, a voice call demo was arguably the most memorable portion of the Series 3 unveiling this week, putting Kuo's bogus claim to shame in rather spectacular fashion.

Nailed it: Apple itself, thanks to iOS diggers Steven Troughton-Smith and Guilherme Rambo

Most of what we knew about the iPhone X and iPhone 8 heading into Tuesday's event wasn't as a result of supply chain leaks or rumors.

In fact, the one thing Apple can usually keep secret are software-specific functions, as all of Apple's software development is done in-house. That all changed this year, after a rogue employee allegedly leaked the golden master of iOS 11 last week.

Primed to take advantage of it were developers Steven Troughton-Smith and Guilherme Rambo, who sprung into action immediately.




They were prepared, in part, because of an earlier, separate leak from Apple, when the HomePod firmware was accidentally published online. Between the iOS 11 GM and the HomePod firmware, very few mysteries were left ahead of this week's keynote presentation.

In fact, aside from the launch date of the iPhone X, virtually everything about Apple's upcoming products was known in advance, including the names, designs, features and more.

Apple's iOS 11 GM and HomePod firmware leaks were unprecedented, and will likely lead to major changes in how Apple internally shares software.

Macotakara: Good scoops

While most reports were claiming the iPhone X would launch alongside the iPhone 8, Japanese publication Macotakara weighed in in July and said it may not launch until October or November. That proved right: Preorders for the iPhone X begin Oct. 27 ahead of a Nov. 3 launch.

The site also reported that there would be no white bezel option on the iPhone X, just a black border around the display. That was also correct.

A few weeks ago, Macotakara also indicated the iPhone 8 and iPhone X wireless charging would top out at 7.5 watts. Apple hasn't given technical specs on the inductive charging limits of the iPhones, but the first authorized charging pads are 7.5 watts, suggesting the report was correct.




Macotakara did get the phone's name wrong, however, betting on the name "iPhone Edition."

Still, many of its predictions were outside of the normal supply chain chatter, proving accurate with unique, exclusive scoops, rather than rehashing what's already known.

Bloomberg: Late but reliable

Bloomberg's team of tech reporters, led by recent hire Mark Gurman, came through with some reliable information on this year's products. It just so happened that most of that reporting followed supply chain rumors, firmware leaks, or notes issued by Kuo.

Notably, the news outlet weighed in in April on the redesign of the iPhone X, complete with cover glass curving into a stainless steel frame. The news of a redesign echoed numerous earlier reports, some of which were made months prior.

The publication also correctly indicated in July that the iPhone X would see Face ID replace Touch ID. That declaration, however, came after weeks of reports saying Apple had problems integrating Touch ID into the new OLED display.




They also correctly predicted in August that Apple would launch the Apple TV 4K at Tuesday's event, and also identified 4K support. However, support for 4K and HDR had already been revealed in the aforementioned HomePod firmware leak.

Bloomberg's two biggest scoops came recently, less than two weeks before the iPhone X unveiling. The publication was the first to report that Apple had no plans to hide the so-called "notch" atop the iPhone X display, and also was the first to reveal that the iPhone X would use gesture controls, and not a virtual home button, for navigating its edge-to-edge OLED display.

Bloomberg did get a few things wrong, though they were always covered by bet hedging. For example, one report suggested this year's iPhones could get the same 120Hz ProMotion display as the latest iPad Pros, while another said some iPhone X prototypes featured aluminum backs. Neither panned out, but neither was presented with authority.

Regardless of timeliness and caveats, Bloomberg gets points for accuracy: Its scoops provided generally reliable information on upcoming products ahead of their unveiling.

Gruber: A poor prognosticator (this time, at least)

High-profile Apple blogger John Gruber of Daring Fireball weighed in with a few takes on Apple's upcoming products, including a claim in early August that the Apple Watch Series 3 would boast an all-new form factor. After the initial post was made, Gruber quickly updated to note that the information came from an "unconfirmed little birdie." It was wrong.

Gruber's birdies couldn't take the fall for a post he made just prior to the iPhone X event, in which he offered personal speculation on how to pronounce the device before Apple made it official. Gruber made a case for it to be called the "iPhone ex," but he was again wrong. Apple went with "iPhone ten," leaving users to question when and where the "iPhone 9" will arrive.

To Gruber's credit, he didn't shy away from his blunders: "Well, you can't win them all," he posted after Tuesday's event.




He also took Kuo to task for getting the size and resolution of the iPhone X display wrong, even before the product was officially announced. Unlike his other predictions this go around, Gruber's pixel math on the iPhone X proved correct -- albeit with the aid of Apple's HomePod firmware leak.

Gruber was also one of the first to report on the edge-to-edge display of the iPhone X, way back in May of 2016, though he incorrectly claimed the Touch ID sensor, earpiece and forward facing camera would "somehow be embedded in the display." Rather than hiding them in the display (something that may not even be technically possible to do), Apple embraced the notch.

The cycle never ends: What to expect in 2018

Yes, the iPhone X and iPhone 8 were just announced, and you cannot get your hands on them yet. But that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from hinting at what is to come.

Virtually every person and publication mentioned in this roundup has already either cited sources or made predictions regarding next year's handsets.

Some reports claim that Apple hopes to have all OLED screens next year. Some have offered conjecture that a so-called "iPhone X Plus" could arrive in 2018. And will there be an iPhone 9? Or iPhone X2?

That doesn't even include rumors about an iPad with edge-to-edge OLED display, or the potential use of Micro LED technology in a 2018 Apple Watch refresh.

Apple's legendary dedication to secrecy is a major part of the company's appeal, helping to fuel rumors, speculation and passionate debate that keep fans of the company engaged and excited. And as long as Apple continues to innovate and delight, even the most spoiler-filled leaks will not break that cycle.
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  • Reply 1 of 61
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    nhugheslolliver
  • Reply 2 of 61
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 18,600member
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Even the "whiff" on the Apple Watch 3 voice call features really isn't flatout wrong IMO as he said it might not rather than be definitive about it.
    nhughes
  • Reply 3 of 61
    gatorguy said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Even the "whiff" on the Apple Watch 3 voice call features really isn't flatout wrong IMO as he said it might not rather than be definitive about it.
    I tried to give those kinds of qualifying statements (of which Bloomberg is admittedly king) a little more leeway for reports published months, or even a year-plus, out from the announcement. But in mid-August? Nah, Kuo straight-up blew that one, in my view. He still has a good batting average, particularly when you consider how frequently he swings, but no one should take his predictions as gospel. With rumors, it's always best to read between the lines when possible.

    For what it's worth, here's our own iPhone X rumor from way back in June of 2015. Our source proved right about the lack of home button, but obviously integrating Touch ID into the display was not to be. The question is, what was Apple working on/planning for back in June of 2015? We'll never know for sure.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/06/22/source-first-iphone-without-home-button-on-apples-roadmap-but-not-before-2017
    repressthislolliver
  • Reply 4 of 61
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 3,606member
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    macxpress
  • Reply 5 of 61
    Rayz2016 said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    I really don't think calling a 5.8-inch OLED screen size back in March of 2016 was a lucky guess. Nor were his reports on the Face ID technology, or the premium materials used for iPhone X, or wireless charging and glass backs on all three models, or fast USB3 charging. Those reports were accurate and consistent, and usually well before any other supply chain leaks. Kuo does have very good sources in Apple's supply chain, without a doubt. But he's far from perfect.

    His lack of commitment on Touch ID was bad, for sure. As were his predictions about iPhone X launch date. And I have no idea where the kooky "two OLED displays to make up one 5.8-inch uniform panel" idea came from. His sources had the screen right and then went off the rails at some point.
    repressthisjSnivelylolliver
  • Reply 6 of 61
    levilevi Posts: 343member
    Rayz2016 said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    Guessed on screen size, facial recognition, price... yeah, that seems plausible. Also, as I recall he was one of the first to say Touch ID was likely not present. Outside of massive software leaks, he’s by far the most accurate and consistent source out there. 
    nhugheslolliver
  • Reply 7 of 61
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 18,600member
    nhughes said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    I really don't think calling a 5.8-inch OLED screen size back in March of 2016 was a lucky guess. Nor were his reports on the Face ID technology, or the premium materials used for iPhone X, or wireless charging and glass backs on all three models, or fast USB3 charging. Those reports were accurate and consistent, and usually well before any other supply chain leaks. Kuo does have very good sources in Apple's supply chain, without a doubt. But he's far from perfect.

    His lack of commitment on Touch ID was bad, for sure. As were his predictions about iPhone X launch date. And I have no idea where the kooky "two OLED displays to make up one 5.8-inch uniform panel" idea came from. His sources had the screen right and then went off the rails at some point.
    IMHO it's certainly possible that Apple themselves were still trying to make a embedded Touch ID reliably work in time for this years X until relatively recently, and certainly a reason that Kuo could not state definitively whether Touch-ID was on the table or not. That would play into explaining a few of the other shells we saw images of and the now-confirmed delayed X release, and which may not be shipping until sometime in November, maybe two months out. Late-October is just the pre-order period isn't it, not the expected availability? Correct me if I've misread.
    edited September 2017 lolliver
  • Reply 8 of 61
    gatorguy said:
    nhughes said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    I really don't think calling a 5.8-inch OLED screen size back in March of 2016 was a lucky guess. Nor were his reports on the Face ID technology, or the premium materials used for iPhone X, or wireless charging and glass backs on all three models, or fast USB3 charging. Those reports were accurate and consistent, and usually well before any other supply chain leaks. Kuo does have very good sources in Apple's supply chain, without a doubt. But he's far from perfect.

    His lack of commitment on Touch ID was bad, for sure. As were his predictions about iPhone X launch date. And I have no idea where the kooky "two OLED displays to make up one 5.8-inch uniform panel" idea came from. His sources had the screen right and then went off the rails at some point.
    Late-October is just the pre-order period isn't it, not the expected availability? Correct me if I've misread.
    iPhone X preorders start Oct. 27, launch is Nov. 3. Kuo thought it would launch in September.
    repressthis
  • Reply 9 of 61
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 18,600member
    nhughes said:
    gatorguy said:
    nhughes said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    So, Kuo is NOT as bad as what people in this forum make him out to be. That seems to be the main take away from this article.
    Really?

    What I took from the article that he guessed and sometimes he got lucky. That's pretty much the same for most analysts. 

    Right up until last week he was still uhming and aahing over TouchID



    I really don't think calling a 5.8-inch OLED screen size back in March of 2016 was a lucky guess. Nor were his reports on the Face ID technology, or the premium materials used for iPhone X, or wireless charging and glass backs on all three models, or fast USB3 charging. Those reports were accurate and consistent, and usually well before any other supply chain leaks. Kuo does have very good sources in Apple's supply chain, without a doubt. But he's far from perfect.

    His lack of commitment on Touch ID was bad, for sure. As were his predictions about iPhone X launch date. And I have no idea where the kooky "two OLED displays to make up one 5.8-inch uniform panel" idea came from. His sources had the screen right and then went off the rails at some point.
    Late-October is just the pre-order period isn't it, not the expected availability? Correct me if I've misread.
    iPhone X preorders start Oct. 27, launch is Nov. 3. Kuo thought it would launch in September.
    Oh, my bad then. I thought he was saying October. Thanks!
    repressthis
  • Reply 10 of 61
    I genuinely like seeing AI keeping score. 

    I also like the idea of historical prospective, and how it hints at future products. And of course, the implications of future products. (see eg http://www.loopinsight.com/2017/09/13/the-five-biggest-questions-about-apples-new-facial-recognition-system/)

    So what is the next event? Macs for the holiday season? HomePod launch? Where for art thou airports?  
    repressthis
  • Reply 11 of 61
    From https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/iphone_edition
    ENOUGH WITH THE 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY STUFF Let me add here a note about something that’s been bothering me for months: the notion that Apple is going to do something “special” next year to commemorate the iPhone’s 10th anniversary. I would wager heavily that they won’t.
    repressthiswatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 61
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 2,691administrator
    eightzero said:
    I genuinely like seeing AI keeping score. 

    I also like the idea of historical prospective, and how it hints at future products. And of course, the implications of future products. (see eg http://www.loopinsight.com/2017/09/13/the-five-biggest-questions-about-apples-new-facial-recognition-system/)

    So what is the next event? Macs for the holiday season? HomePod launch? Where for art thou airports?  
    We always do, and always have. There's a lot of conversation about what rumors to cover, what to ignore, and how to cover them.

    Apple history is a tough one to predict with going forward from here on out. The "s" cycle is gone, iPads get updated just about whenever now.
    repressthis
  • Reply 13 of 61
    eightzero said:

    So what is the next event? Macs for the holiday season? HomePod launch? Where for art thou airports?  
    Given that HomePod and iMac Pro were preannounced, and the iPads have all been updated, and new Macs arrived in June, I suspect Apple is done with keynotes for the year. Too soon for another MacBook Pro refresh.

    If I had to harbor a guess, we might get an event in March/April to announce the new iPhone SE, as well as shed some light on Mac Pro and displays. The timing would make some sense, as March is when Apple has launched (and updated) the iPhone SE. It's also around that time that eGPU support in High Sierra is scheduled to come out of beta. Given that Apple is expected to get back into the standalone display market, that would be a good time to unveil new display options for eGPU and new Mac Pro.
    repressthisroundaboutnowlolliver
  • Reply 14 of 61
    @mikewuerthele and @AppleInsider,
    Thank you for tallying up the score cards. This is important work you're doing. AI's journalists  integrity is scoring very high today. Well done!
    nhughesgatorguylolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 61

    Here are my thoughts,

    Bloomberg - got it mostly right since they have contact inside Verizon and AT&T who can not keep their months shut. Apple had to have conversation with them a few months back so they could register the product on their networks and ready them to sell the product in their stores. Apple obviously shares some level of detail about the products they were about to launch.

    Ming-Chi - based on what he got right and wrong I would said his leaks are coming from the Display people. He knows enough about Apple to try in fill in the gaps in the story which he obviously got right and wrong.

    After seeing Apple's implementation of Face ID, the touch ID was never in the plans neither was the idea of touch ID in the display. If this works as well as they claim people will not have issue with Face ID and Touch ID would have been redundant. As we know there will be some use cases where Face ID will not work, as Touch ID does not work in all use case, i.e. wet fingers or wearing gloves. I am assuming Apple will still allow for a pass code for when Face ID will not work.

    If apple never planed to use Touch ID on the X this was creating confusing in the rumor mills since they could not figure out what apple was up to. All I think there was confusion with iPhone 8 which still have Touch ID. It was an example of information was lost in translation.

    repressthis
  • Reply 16 of 61
    SoliSoli Posts: 7,337member
    Clearly several of these people have viable sources. Kuo getting the size down to a 1/10th of an inch 1.5 years before it was announced is unlikely a guess pulled from one's ass.

    jason98 said:
    From https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/iphone_edition
    ENOUGH WITH THE 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY STUFF Let me add here a note about something that’s been bothering me for months: the notion that Apple is going to do something “special” next year to commemorate the iPhone’s 10th anniversary. I would wager heavily that they won’t.
    What's wrong with his statement? He didn't state that he knows for sure that there would be nothing special for the 10th anniversary, only that he'd guess that it won't. His assumption was incorrect. He also didn't think that "iPhone ten" would be better over "iPhone Ecks," and he promptly pointed that out after it was revealed. So long as opinions are stated as such, especially if there's a detailed explanation as to why you believe that to be the case, then I see no issue with a blogger stating an opinion.
    edited September 2017 repressthis
  • Reply 17 of 61
    jason98 said:
    From https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/iphone_edition
    ENOUGH WITH THE 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY STUFF Let me add here a note about something that’s been bothering me for months: the notion that Apple is going to do something “special” next year to commemorate the iPhone’s 10th anniversary. I would wager heavily that they won’t.
    Footnote from that post is especially hilarious:

    "I’ll enjoy a nice serving of homemade claim chowder if Apple goes and names next year’s iPhone the “iPhone 10” and makes the anniversary central to its branding."

    Worth noting that Gruber also guessed incorrectly about the entire iPad lineup earlier this year. Didn't discuss that in this story, though, as we were focused on Sept. 12 event rumors.

    https://daringfireball.net/2017/03/about_that_10_point_5_inch_ipad

    Some choice quotes:

    "New iPad Pro “2” models at the existing sizes make sense to me... What doesn’t make sense to me is a new 10.5-inch model."

    "An updated iPad Mini would make sense too."
    repressthislolliver
  • Reply 18 of 61
    SoliSoli Posts: 7,337member
    maestro64 said:

    After seeing Apple's implementation of Face ID, the touch ID was never in the plans neither was the idea of touch ID in the display. If this works as well as they claim people will not have issue with Face ID and Touch ID would have been redundant. As we know there will be some use cases where Face ID will not work, as Touch ID does not work in all use case, i.e. wet fingers or wearing gloves. I am assuming Apple will still allow for a pass code for when Face ID will not work.

    I don't get that impression. I can see how Touch ID behind the screen, if feasible, would be a great addition to the iPhone X. (and future models). As they stated during the event but they played off, if you have a genetic similarity to someone the 1:1000000 chance of a random person unlocking your device drops considerably. I think something along the lines of "using a passcode" was stated.

    For Apple Pay, imagine having the option to use both. In terms of security, two convenient biometrics are better than one.
    edited September 2017 repressthislolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 61
    Soli said:
    What's wrong with his statement? He didn't state that he knows for sure that there would be nothing special for the 10th anniversary, only that he'd guess that it won't. His assumption was incorrect. He also didn't think that "iPhone ten" would be better over "iPhone Ecks," and he promptly pointed that out after it was revealed. So long as opinions are stated as such, especially if there's a detailed explanation as to why you believe that to be the case, then I see no issue with a blogger stating an opinion.
    Zero problem with him stating his opinion, of course. But he's a high profile dude who has been known to blur the lines between predictions and inside information. And despite the fact that he sometimes delves into the rumor mill himself (see his incorrect Series 3 redesign claim), he's still in Apple's good graces, with Schiller and Federighi appearing on his podcast numerous times.

    Still, credit to Gruber for putting his neck out there and, as I said in the article, owning up to it when his predictions were wrong. The point of this article was not to pick on anyone, just to give an honest summary of sources of multiple rumors leading into yesterday's event and how they fared.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 61
    SoliSoli Posts: 7,337member
    nhughes said:
    Soli said:
    What's wrong with his statement? He didn't state that he knows for sure that there would be nothing special for the 10th anniversary, only that he'd guess that it won't. His assumption was incorrect. He also didn't think that "iPhone ten" would be better over "iPhone Ecks," and he promptly pointed that out after it was revealed. So long as opinions are stated as such, especially if there's a detailed explanation as to why you believe that to be the case, then I see no issue with a blogger stating an opinion.
    Zero problem with him stating his opinion, of course. But he's a high profile dude who has been known to blur the lines between predictions and inside information. And despite the fact that he sometimes delves into the rumor mill himself (see his incorrect Series 3 redesign claim), he's still in Apple's good graces, with Schiller and Federighi appearing on his podcast numerous times.

    Still, credit to Gruber for putting his neck out there and, as I said in the article, owning up to it when his predictions were wrong. The point of this article was not to pick on anyone, just to give an honest summary of sources of multiple rumors leading into yesterday's event and how they fared.
    I didn't think you were picking on anyone.

    He is high-profile, but I can't say he blurs the lines because he seems to be very clear when he's been given some inside information, when it's an educated guess, and even it's a general desire. I'd even argue that he needs to reign in his reasoning a bit as they can be a little longwinded, but at the same time he clearly thinking through the reasons, even if he's making erroneous assumptions.
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