Apple unveils new iPad Pro with 3D scanner, trackpad support

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  • Reply 41 of 124
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,085member
    spice-boy said:
    Looks like most people find the new keyboard way to pricy, I guess a third party hardware company will produce one for less money, or will Apple prevent that from happening? One tells me Apple is swing it's monopoly stick the other embraces competition. 
    What on earth are you talking about? You are aware of the flourishing third-party market for things like keyboards, right? 
    edited March 2020 macpluspluswatto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 124
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,085member

    I found the clip of Steve Job saying they would never introduce that: but why has Apple changed its mind now? Are those "tons of user testing" out the window?
    Nope, you got it backwards. Adding pointing devices like the keyboard trackpad to iPad is in fact the opposite of adding touch to Mac. This allows you to keep your hands on the keyboard and off the screen, while touch on Mac has you stopping and reaching out to touch the screen. The changes work in opposite directions when it comes to efficiency. 

    Not the same.
    edited March 2020 Rayz2016macplusplustmayMetriacanthosaurusrazorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 124
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,085member
    tht said:
    The wait continues for me. No buy until miniLED and 8 GB RAM.
    What is the tangible benefit to users on miniLED that makes it a requirement?
    edited March 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 124
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,085member

    lkrupp said:
    So, piece by piece, the iPad is devolving into a laptop. I thought Apple always looked to the future, not revering the past.
    You're also thinking about it backwards. Adding pointer support enables one to keep hands off the screen and increase productivity when in a mode to do it. Use of iPad without accessories remains unchanged. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 45 of 124
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    Nice update but what others have said about the keyboard price.
    Now everyone who claims that "proper trackpad support" was all they needed to use an iPad instead of a Mac can put up or shut up...since the total cost will exceed even that of a MacBook Air...surely price was never their real motivator...right? Right?
    Apple needs to bring Xcode, Logic and Final Cut to iPadOS.
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 124
    talexytalexy Posts: 80member
    I found the clip of Steve Job saying they would never introduce that: but why has Apple changed its mind now? Are those "tons of user testing" out the window?
    I think your wrong here. It's not about building a laptop with a touch screen. Its about building an accessory for a touch device, if you need to do typing input. So if you are in "writing mode" you don't have to touch the screen to reach for Buttons, instead you are "full laptop" then. 

    And in all other cases you are "full tablet". 
    StrangeDaysrazorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 124
    talexytalexy Posts: 80member
    I found the clip of Steve Job saying they would never introduce that: but why has Apple changed its mind now? Are those "tons of user testing" out the window?
    I think your wrong here. It's not about building a laptop with a touch screen. Its about building an accessory for a touch device, if you need to do typing input. So if you are in "writing mode" you don't have to touch the screen to reach for Buttons, instead you are "full laptop" then. 

    And in all other cases you are "full tablet". 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 124
    talexytalexy Posts: 80member
    I found the clip of Steve Job saying they would never introduce that: but why has Apple changed its mind now? Are those "tons of user testing" out the window?
    I think your wrong here. It's not about building a laptop with a touch screen. Its about building an accessory for a touch device, if you need to do typing input. So if you are in "writing mode" you don't have to touch the screen to reach for Buttons, instead you are "full laptop" then. 

    And in all other cases you are "full tablet". 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 124
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,656member
    davgreg said:
    Since it is looking like most of us are going to get a $1000 check , consider this a great bargain if you have been waiting to pull the trigger on an IPad Pro.
    We'll get the $1000 check and then they'll have to raise taxes in some form or reduce other benefits to pay for it.  There's a $320 billion price tag behind that $1000 (and I bet it's considered income and taxable anyway, which means the government gets a bit of it back.)    People have this silly notion that when the Government pays for something, we don't.  But we do.  The airlines want a $50 billion bailout.   That's about $345 per household.  I don't want to pay that - the airlines have had ten great years, they largely treat us like crap and in this current crisis, I have to assume they're not paying crew and they're not paying for fuel (which is cheap now anyway) since they've grounded most flights, so I think they're shedding crocodile tears.  Let them fund their own temporary losses.   Interest free loans, maybe.   Bailout, no. 
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  • Reply 50 of 124
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,689member
    melgross said:
    the one thing I find interesting, it that the SoC is called the A12Z. It has 8 cores, a higher heat capacity, and the usual other features, but no other info on it. I think I can say that we all expected either an A13x, or if this came out late in the year as “expected” with the new cameras, time of flight, and cursor support as Ming predicted, likely an A14x. So this is odd. I sure want to know more about this unexpected chip.

    Very curious about this as well. I was expecting a Fall update with a A14X. If I had to guess, the A12Z is a die shrink of the A12X with upgraded GPUs.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 124
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    $349 for a keyboard with trackpad is an insult. 
    This is why I have a hard time buying Apple products anymore.   The only Apple product that I have right now is an iPhone.   By the time you buy an iPad with a decent amount of SSD the pricing is very much an insult.  

    By the way A12Z what crap is Apple trying to pull here?    I really hope there is more to the processor than sugar coating.    Here is the thing if IPhone goes 5nm this year it will likely out perform this chip.  
  • Reply 52 of 124
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,299member
    razorpit said:
    I found the clip of Steve Job saying they would never introduce that: but why has Apple changed its mind now? Are those "tons of user testing" out the window?
    Introduce what? I don't understand what your point is. There is a keyboard/mouse for vertical use. Touch for horizontal.rob53 said:
    The LiDAR scanner is what interests me the most. I understand it's being sold for AR but will it function as a 3D scanner for CAD input? Will I be able to use it to scan a 3D object, convert it to a wireframe, and use it for 3D printing?
    I hope. The 3D printer market is about to explode if that's the case.
    Not really. The 3D data from a scanner is messy and needs thorough manual cleanup to be printed.
    I saw the animation/video on Apple's website but that doesn't mean a third-party app couldn't take advantage of the LiDAR scanning system and produce something that could be ray traced and converted into a wireframe. It's all up to Apple to decide what this system is allowed to do--and not do.

    I easily found an engineering/com article that discussed 3D Scanning: Understanding the Differences In LIDAR, Photogrammetry and Infrared Techniques. They talk about the use of handheld scanners to measure small objects. It all depends on how Apple's LiDAR system has been designed and what its capabilities are. I am hoping they're for more than just AR use although AR is becoming a huge market but so is 3D printing. Why buy a handheld scanner when your iPad already has one and potentially could also have all the software required to create 3D models for printing.
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  • Reply 53 of 124
    Just heard the rumor that the RAM is the same - 4GB, same as previous iPad Pro 11”.  Ugh!
  • Reply 54 of 124
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    melgross said:
    Ok, so I ordered one right after I saw the video about Apple introing two new products on Yahoo business. Since I buy a new one every year, it really was a no brainer.

    the one thing I find interesting, it that the SoC is called the A12Z. It has 8 cores, a higher heat capacity, and the usual other features, but no other info on it. I think I can say that we all expected either an A13x, or if this came out late in the year as “expected” with the new cameras, time of flight, and cursor support as Ming predicted, likely an A14x. So this is odd. I sure want to know more about this unexpected chip.

    the keyboard isn’t out yet, so I couldn’t order it. It costs the same as the Brydge with trackpad I ordered over a month ago, which is expected to ship (almost a month late because of COVID-19) in April. Apple’s in May. But I ordered the new one that is out now. My iPad won’t come until March 25th, but the keyboard will come this Friday (for an $8 shipping up charge). Curious to find whether it will work on my 2018 model. Also curious as to whether the Brydge will work with the new iPad.

    app,e is sure making a big deal out of that new cursor. As you scroll down on the info, you get an entire screen announcing it.
    Im a little bugged about this A12Z too.   It looks like Apple is taking on the practices of the GPU manufactures and putting fresh lipstick on their pig.    Sad sad sad.   

    Now we can all hope that we are wrong and their is real value in this chip but in all honestly I doubt it.   Hopefully they did something with RAM and SSD sizes.   I haven’t even been to Apples site yet and just learned about these on AIs site. It looks like they focused on everything but what I would have wanted.  
  • Reply 55 of 124
    Nice update but what others have said about the keyboard price.
    Now everyone who claims that "proper trackpad support" was all they needed to use an iPad instead of a Mac can put up or shut up...since the total cost will exceed even that of a MacBook Air...surely price was never their real motivator...right? Right?
    Apple needs to bring Xcode, Logic and Final Cut to iPadOS.
    This is something I see often repeated but I cannot fathom why anyone would want a gimped version of either Logic or FCP.
  • Reply 56 of 124
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,760member
    lkrupp said:
    So, piece by piece, the iPad is devolving into a laptop. I thought Apple always looked to the future, not revering the past.
    Meh - thats artificial semantics.  I love my iPad Pro (first model - 2015) but text editing on it is a joke.  I snagged a MacBook Air off of eBay and it’s still my primary mobile/couch surfing device.  It just so happens I’m typing on my iPad Pro right now; on the most excellent Brydge keyboard (snagged it on clearance for $80 - was a no brainer decision).  

    The current text editing is still not good enough, but now that Apple as produced a keyboard with a trackpad I am hopeful they can close some of well known current issues with the current mouse/trackpad support.  When it comes time to replace my MacBook Air who knows - I may try to go back to the iPad Pro full time again.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 124
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Nice update but what others have said about the keyboard price.
    Now everyone who claims that "proper trackpad support" was all they needed to use an iPad instead of a Mac can put up or shut up...since the total cost will exceed even that of a MacBook Air...surely price was never their real motivator...right? Right?
    Apple needs to bring Xcode, Logic and Final Cut to iPadOS.
    Im not sure they could, not with these models anyways.   To do so requires a lot of storage space and RAM.   While you can run XCode in 8GB you really want more.   Beyond that XCode is extremely cramped on a 13” MBP screen.     What might be better is completely transitioning away from XCode to a Swift based only IDE.   I could see that working better over the long run and maybe even work on existing iPads.  

    Never used Logic or Final Cut so little to say there.  However I wonder if Apple will do more in the future iPadOS versions to better support advanced apps and get rid of some of the frustrations.  
  • Reply 58 of 124
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,760member

    $349 for a keyboard with trackpad is an insult. 
    spoken by someone who hasn’t priced quality keyboards.  Given it’s form factor (extremely thin and light in particular) it’s actually very reasonably priced since there is nothing else out there remotely close in form factor.  

    I like everything about my Brydge keyboard except for the way it attaches (the smart keyboard is easier to remove) and the size/weight.  The attachment I can deal with since I get more flexibility in positioning vs. the smart keyboard, but the size/weight is something I notice every time I pick my iPad up when it’s mated with the Brydge.  If this new keyboard would work with my original iPad Pro it would be an instant buy.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 59 of 124
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Just heard the rumor that the RAM is the same - 4GB, same as previous iPad Pro 11”.  Ugh!
    That would be extremely ugly.   Apple has literally turned into Intel as they meter out meaningless improvement to convince you that something is worth the money.   
  • Reply 60 of 124
    Just a question. Does the keyboard use the Smart Connector or Bluetooth?
    watto_cobra
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