Foxconn says trade war means China can no longer be 'the world's factory'

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  • Reply 81 of 108
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
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  • Reply 82 of 108
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    asdasd said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    You are half right. The leader is distracting people re China and the deep state re Russia. 

    That’s how they get their wars. 

    LOL... Did you get that nonsense from Q?
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  • Reply 83 of 108
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,683member
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    George, you don't give any appearance of understanding what propaganda is. If you looked into the Uigurs, or read about China actions in Tibet, in any news source of your choosing you'd discover there's facts involved. It's not a right wing, left wing, or even wingless thing. It's real, and for some reason you prefer to claim anything that might make China sound less like a champion must be propaganda.  If we were to believe you then every negative piece of news concerning Chinese policies or actions are lies or inventions from those evil US right-wingers. According to your posts the US has bodies to hide but the Chinese government does not. Why do you believe that, or do you? 

    It's not so much that you're currently sounding so anti-American (seemingly giddy over the possibility of China sinking US boats, or the US having no friends and isolated in the world) but that you are so firmly and unapologetically pro-China that it makes it very likely you have some undisclosed agenda altogether.. Do you have some connection to China that you've not mentioned, even something that on the surface sounds totally innocent such as you're a regular tourist there, or have several Chinese penpals?
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  • Reply 84 of 108
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    gatorguy said:
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    George, you don't give any appearance of understanding what propaganda is. If you looked into the Uigurs, or read about China seizing Tibet, in any news source of your choosing you'd discover there's facts involved. It's not a right wing, left wing, or even wingless thing. It's real, and for some reason you prefer to claim anything that might make China sound less like a champion must be propaganda. Why is that?

    It's not so much that you're currently sounding so anti-American (seemingly giddy over the possibility of China sinking US boats, or the US having no friends and isolated in the world) but that you are so firmly pro-China that it makes it very likely you have some undisclosed agenda altogether. Do you have some connection to China that you've not mentioned?
    He’s just another “good soldier” in the Fifty Cent Army.
    razorpitGG1tmay
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  • Reply 85 of 108
    gatorguy said:
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    George, you don't give any appearance of understanding what propaganda is. If you looked into the Uigurs, or read about China seizing Tibet, in any news source of your choosing you'd discover there's facts involved. It's not a right wing, left wing, or even wingless thing. It's real, and for some reason you prefer to claim anything that might make China sound less like a champion must be propaganda. Why is that?

    It's not so much that you're currently sounding so anti-American (seemingly giddy over the possibility of China sinking US boats, or the US having no friends and isolated in the world) but that you are so firmly pro-China that it makes it very likely you have some undisclosed agenda altogether. Do you have some connection to China that you've not mentioned?
    Also, technically the CCP has never ruled over Taiwan; they're the rebels that took control of most, but not all, of the country. So they don't really have any historical claims to Taiwan. They have no history to stand on, they're a (historically speaking) very new group/country.
    tmay
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  • Reply 86 of 108
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,865member
    The old adage about 'too many eggs in one basket' has always rung true for me on this topic.  Whatever the reasons we are where we are Geopolitically, Tim is wise IMHO to spread sourcing far and wide where this is logistically feasible.
    razorpit
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  • Reply 87 of 108
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,683member
    MacPro said:
    The old adage about 'too many eggs in one basket' has always rung true for me on this topic.  Whatever the reasons we are where we are Geopolitically, Tim is wise IMHO to spread sourcing far and wide where this is logistically feasible.
    Yes he is. 
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  • Reply 88 of 108
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    asdasd said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    You are half right. The leader is distracting people re China and the deep state re Russia. 

    That’s how they get their wars. 

    LOL... Did you get that nonsense from Q?
    No idea who Q is. As I said though the Russian interference is a fantasy. The China panic is also a fantasy. Or exaggerated. 

    US propaganda works on its citizens by creating these pseudo divisions. Dems hate Russia. Republicans hate China (and most of the Muslim world). War is the aim. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 89 of 108
    john_tjohn_t Posts: 12member
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    So Tibet is right-wing propaganda? And Hong Kong as well? And no: Taiwan is NOT China. Not sure why you’re saying stuff like that. 
    svanstromtmay
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  • Reply 90 of 108
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    svanstrom said:
    gatorguy said:
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    George, you don't give any appearance of understanding what propaganda is. If you looked into the Uigurs, or read about China seizing Tibet, in any news source of your choosing you'd discover there's facts involved. It's not a right wing, left wing, or even wingless thing. It's real, and for some reason you prefer to claim anything that might make China sound less like a champion must be propaganda. Why is that?

    It's not so much that you're currently sounding so anti-American (seemingly giddy over the possibility of China sinking US boats, or the US having no friends and isolated in the world) but that you are so firmly pro-China that it makes it very likely you have some undisclosed agenda altogether. Do you have some connection to China that you've not mentioned?
    Also, technically the CCP has never ruled over Taiwan; they're the rebels that took control of most, but not all, of the country. So they don't really have any historical claims to Taiwan. They have no history to stand on, they're a (historically speaking) very new group/country.

    LOL...
    Then, by the same logic, we've never ruled over the United States either.
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  • Reply 91 of 108
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    asdasd said:
    asdasd said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    You are half right. The leader is distracting people re China and the deep state re Russia. 

    That’s how they get their wars. 

    LOL... Did you get that nonsense from Q?
    No idea who Q is. As I said though the Russian interference is a fantasy. The China panic is also a fantasy. Or exaggerated. 

    US propaganda works on its citizens by creating these pseudo divisions. Dems hate Russia. Republicans hate China (and most of the Muslim world). War is the aim. 

    You got that almost right:   It's not "Dems hate Russia", but Russia who hates Dems (Because they were instrumental in Ukraine declaring its independence from Russia).   It's why Russia has undermined our last three elections to install their own shill as the head of our government.
    MacProtmay
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  • Reply 92 of 108
    gatorguy said:
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    George, you don't give any appearance of understanding what propaganda is. If you looked into the Uigurs, or read about China actions in Tibet, in any news source of your choosing you'd discover there's facts involved. It's not a right wing, left wing, or even wingless thing. It's real, and for some reason you prefer to claim anything that might make China sound less like a champion must be propaganda.  If we were to believe you then every negative piece of news concerning Chinese policies or actions are lies or inventions from those evil US right-wingers. According to your posts the US has bodies to hide but the Chinese government does not. Why do you believe that, or do you? 

    It's not so much that you're currently sounding so anti-American (seemingly giddy over the possibility of China sinking US boats, or the US having no friends and isolated in the world) but that you are so firmly and unapologetically pro-China that it makes it very likely you have some undisclosed agenda altogether.. Do you have some connection to China that you've not mentioned, even something that on the surface sounds totally innocent such as you're a regular tourist there, or have several Chinese penpals?

    Agree with you on this, Having gone through the Pro-Trump, Anti-Trump comments over the last 2+ years, I am unable to find out a reason for George's attitude of "defend China at ANY cost". While I tend to agree with almost ALL of his anti-trump comments, I am unable to accept his comments supportive of Chinese government as reasonable. It is very odd for someone to "believe" that a sovereign state with as much clout as China would be a "good/innocent/clean" one as George is portraying in almost ALL of the comments, despite the evidence being available suggests otherwise. Very strange indeed.
    MacProtmay
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  • Reply 93 of 108
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    john_t said:
    john_t said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    Nah, more like China‘s sticking over a million Uigurs into concentration camps and systematically murdering them. Or invading Tibet, killing half the population and then start settling millions of mainland Chinese there. Or ignoring treaties they signed, integrating Hong Kong into their communist dictatorship, killing anyone who opposes them. 

    I get where you‘re coming from - things are really crappy in the US right now but compared to China, the US is a peaceful, provincial place. 

    You‘ll change your mind once China has occupied Taiwan, uses its military stationed in South American countries to cause trouble in that region, has occupied the islands surrounding Japan, has started an all-out war with India etc. Right now, they‘re quietly and efficiently putting themselves into the strategic position to attack anywhere on the planet.

    Yeh, IF you believe the right wing propaganda....

    And, China doesn't have to "occupy" Taiwan.   It's already theirs.  All they have to do is take it back.  It's a matter of when, not if.    It's only the Trumpers who have forgotten that.
    As for the rest of your last paragraph.   See my first paragraph.
    So Tibet is right-wing propaganda? And Hong Kong as well? And no: Taiwan is NOT China. Not sure why you’re saying stuff like that. 

    Why do I say Taiwan is part of China?   Because the entire world -- except for the crazy, deluded Trumpers -- says it!
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  • Reply 94 of 108
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    asdasd said:
    asdasd said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    You are half right. The leader is distracting people re China and the deep state re Russia. 

    That’s how they get their wars. 

    LOL... Did you get that nonsense from Q?
    No idea who Q is. As I said though the Russian interference is a fantasy. The China panic is also a fantasy. Or exaggerated. 

    US propaganda works on its citizens by creating these pseudo divisions. Dems hate Russia. Republicans hate China (and most of the Muslim world). War is the aim. 

    You got that almost right:   It's not "Dems hate Russia", but Russia who hates Dems (Because they were instrumental in Ukraine declaring its independence from Russia).   It's why Russia has undermined our last three elections to install their own shill as the head of our government.
    So you are happy to admit that the US does in fact interfere in the elections in other countries?

    Any chance you stop that?  The Russians haven't undermined any of your elections, what insane conspiratorial nonsense. The muller report wasn't actionable, the rest is a story for children. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    asdasd said:
    asdasd said:
    asdasd said:
    svanstrom said:
    tzeshan said:
    Very risky for him to plainly state this in the press. China could simply seize their operations still in China.
    He has many years dealing with Chinese government. He knows Chinese government much better than you being brain washed by western propaganda  war against Chinese government. 
    To be fair, you don't have to "know the Chinese government" to see what it does in the world; and then extrapolate from that. Like how the CCP right now is attacking anything that inconveniences them in Hong Kong (especially media); and how they've kidnapped foreign citizens from other countries (Gui Minhai; Swedish citizen, kidnapped from Thailand). 光復香港,時代革命.

    Like how we gas peaceful protestors, send Gestapo troops into Democratic cities, ripping kids from their parents & sticking them in cages?  That kind of "attacking"?   Or, our CIA's secret renditions or Meng kidnapped on her way into another country?  That kind of kidnapping?   Oh wait!  Never mind.  I forgot you're a China hater.   Your leader needs to distract you from what is going on in your own country.
    You are half right. The leader is distracting people re China and the deep state re Russia. 

    That’s how they get their wars. 

    LOL... Did you get that nonsense from Q?
    No idea who Q is. As I said though the Russian interference is a fantasy. The China panic is also a fantasy. Or exaggerated. 

    US propaganda works on its citizens by creating these pseudo divisions. Dems hate Russia. Republicans hate China (and most of the Muslim world). War is the aim. 

    You got that almost right:   It's not "Dems hate Russia", but Russia who hates Dems (Because they were instrumental in Ukraine declaring its independence from Russia).   It's why Russia has undermined our last three elections to install their own shill as the head of our government.
    So you are happy to admit that the US does in fact interfere in the elections in other countries?

    Any chance you stop that?  The Russians haven't undermined any of your elections, what insane conspiratorial nonsense. The muller report wasn't actionable, the rest is a story for children. 

    I didn't say that.   Nor is there any evidence I'm aware of that we interfered directly in Ukraine's elections.  But, we supported and encouraged the separatists there in Ukraine.  Without western support Ukraine would not have broken from Russia.   Russia has not forgotten and are making sure it never happens again by installing their own shill as head of our government.

    And denying that Russia did not interfere directly in our last three elections defies reality reported by every U.S. intelligence agency, the Mueller report and the Republican led committee that investigated.   The only ones to deny are the crazed, deluded Trumpers.
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    Japheyjaphey Posts: 1,773member
    Japhey said:
    hexclock said:
    If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.
    The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's  geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

    And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.
    Russia, Russia, Russia.... get over it dude. 

    Why would I get over an enemy attacking our country -- unless I favored the dictator they were installing here?
    Dude, enough already! Take it somewhere else. Try an MSNBC or CNN forum. 

    Dude, enough already!  Take it somewhere else!   Try Fauxnews!

    Meanwhile, I and others will stick to reality.  Every U.S. intelligence servce as well the Republican led committee 100% agree:
    Russia attacked our 2016 election.
    Russia attacked our 2018 election
    Russia is attacking our 2020 election
    .... All to appoint their shill as our president!
    Haha. You showed me. Good for you Mr. Important! 

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    Japheyjaphey Posts: 1,773member
    GG1 said:
    Japhey said:
    hexclock said:
    If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.
    The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's  geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

    And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.
    Russia, Russia, Russia.... get over it dude. 

    Why would I get over an enemy attacking our country -- unless I favored the dictator they were installing here?
    Dude, enough already! Take it somewhere else. Try an MSNBC or CNN forum. 
    I've been in this forum since 2006. Once every couple of years, along comes an agenda-driven one-note-Johnny+troll+guy-with-too-much-time-on-his-hands+too-much-anger+too-much-politics+can't-see-beyond-his-nose who regularly derails or hijacks discussions. They thrive on the fact that they drive sensible people crazy. No amount of facts or links or rational responses will change their minds. It's a complete waste of time to engage them.

    The only advice I can give: just ignore them; they'll quietly slink away. Their oxygen is from your head exploding.
    maybe GeorgeBMac is sog35 reincarnated...
    Lol. The guy just won’t shut the f up. His attempts at coherency and intelligence come off as desperate and whiny. 
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    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    Japhey said:
    GG1 said:
    Japhey said:
    hexclock said:
    If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.
    The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's  geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

    And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.
    Russia, Russia, Russia.... get over it dude. 

    Why would I get over an enemy attacking our country -- unless I favored the dictator they were installing here?
    Dude, enough already! Take it somewhere else. Try an MSNBC or CNN forum. 
    I've been in this forum since 2006. Once every couple of years, along comes an agenda-driven one-note-Johnny+troll+guy-with-too-much-time-on-his-hands+too-much-anger+too-much-politics+can't-see-beyond-his-nose who regularly derails or hijacks discussions. They thrive on the fact that they drive sensible people crazy. No amount of facts or links or rational responses will change their minds. It's a complete waste of time to engage them.

    The only advice I can give: just ignore them; they'll quietly slink away. Their oxygen is from your head exploding.
    maybe GeorgeBMac is sog35 reincarnated...
    Lol. The guy just won’t shut the f up. His attempts at coherency and intelligence come off as desperate and whiny. 

    LOL....  No, I just prefer reality to zealots using a techinical forum to evangelize their right wing propaganda.
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    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,683member
    Japhey said:
    GG1 said:
    Japhey said:
    hexclock said:
    If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.
    The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's  geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

    And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.
    Russia, Russia, Russia.... get over it dude. 

    Why would I get over an enemy attacking our country -- unless I favored the dictator they were installing here?
    Dude, enough already! Take it somewhere else. Try an MSNBC or CNN forum. 
    I've been in this forum since 2006. Once every couple of years, along comes an agenda-driven one-note-Johnny+troll+guy-with-too-much-time-on-his-hands+too-much-anger+too-much-politics+can't-see-beyond-his-nose who regularly derails or hijacks discussions. They thrive on the fact that they drive sensible people crazy. No amount of facts or links or rational responses will change their minds. It's a complete waste of time to engage them.

    The only advice I can give: just ignore them; they'll quietly slink away. Their oxygen is from your head exploding.
    maybe GeorgeBMac is sog35 reincarnated...
    Lol. The guy just won’t shut the f up. His attempts at coherency and intelligence come off as desperate and whiny. 

    LOL....  No, I just prefer reality to zealots using a techinical forum to evangelize their right wing propaganda.
    Zealotry defined: excessive intolerance of opposing views
     
    svanstromtmayjohn_t
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,458member
    gatorguy said:
    Japhey said:
    GG1 said:
    Japhey said:
    hexclock said:
    If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.
    The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's  geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

    And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.
    Russia, Russia, Russia.... get over it dude. 

    Why would I get over an enemy attacking our country -- unless I favored the dictator they were installing here?
    Dude, enough already! Take it somewhere else. Try an MSNBC or CNN forum. 
    I've been in this forum since 2006. Once every couple of years, along comes an agenda-driven one-note-Johnny+troll+guy-with-too-much-time-on-his-hands+too-much-anger+too-much-politics+can't-see-beyond-his-nose who regularly derails or hijacks discussions. They thrive on the fact that they drive sensible people crazy. No amount of facts or links or rational responses will change their minds. It's a complete waste of time to engage them.

    The only advice I can give: just ignore them; they'll quietly slink away. Their oxygen is from your head exploding.
    maybe GeorgeBMac is sog35 reincarnated...
    Lol. The guy just won’t shut the f up. His attempts at coherency and intelligence come off as desperate and whiny. 

    LOL....  No, I just prefer reality to zealots using a techinical forum to evangelize their right wing propaganda.
    Zealotry defined: excessive intolerance of opposing views
     
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53773776

    US labels Confucius Institute a Chinese 'foreign mission'

    "The US has designated the Confucius Institute (CI), the Chinese government-run global education programme, as a foreign propaganda mission.

    The order says CI, which offers language and cultural programmes overseas, is "owned or effectively controlled" by a foreign government.

    Staff will be required to register and adhere to restrictions similar to those placed on diplomatic embassies.

    It comes amid worsening relations between China and the US.

    In a statement announcing the move, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called the Confucius Institute "an entity advancing Beijing's global propaganda and malign influence campaign" on American classrooms and campuses."

    Not yet a level playing field, as China's censors media, both inside and outside China, that is harmful to its own government, though it is another useful move by the U.S.


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