I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
The saying goes "you can't see the forest for the trees", i.e. you can't see the big picture. "Through" doesn't make sense, why would anyone be looking for a forest through trees?
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
I erroneously thought Trump Derangement Syndrome was a myth.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
I erroneously thought Trump Derangement Syndrome was a myth.
No, Trump isn't deranged -- insecure and angry, but not deranged. But his cult is. He's just a conman taking advantage of the poorly informed, desperate, greedy and gullible.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much?
Just using your level of hyperbole to point out it can be used to prove whatever political point you might want to make.
Wow, Georgie, what a zinger. This may be the best of your 8000 posts yet.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself. And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.
So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?
Did you have a point to make?
Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.
You literally said "I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself." Germany chose Hitler and Nazism, which means you'd be fine with Apple making their products in Nazi Germany using concentration camp labor as long as the quality was good. Dear lord.
Hitler used (or misused) democracy to gain power... So you are now condemning democracy? Maybe you should move to China?
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
The saying goes "you can't see the forest for the trees", i.e. you can't see the big picture. "Through" doesn't make sense, why would anyone be looking for a forest through trees?
I'm not sure the saying applies here anyway.
Using “for” is common in the UK, but “through” is more common in the US. Either way, they mean the same thing. They apply in this situation because he is completely unable to grasp the big-picture reality (forrest) due to obsessively focusing on, and arrogantly refusing anything other than, his own political views (trees).
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
I erroneously thought Trump Derangement Syndrome was a myth.
No, Trump isn't deranged -- insecure and angry, but not deranged. But his cult is. He's just a conman taking advantage of the poorly informed, desperate, greedy and gullible.
Lol. I thought I’d check in here a day later. Aren’t you out of breath yet?
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself. And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.
So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?
Did you have a point to make?
Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.
You literally said "I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself." Germany chose Hitler and Nazism, which means you'd be fine with Apple making their products in Nazi Germany using concentration camp labor as long as the quality was good. Dear lord.
Hitler used (or misused) democracy to gain power... So you are now condemning democracy? Maybe you should move to China?
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much?
Just using your level of hyperbole to point out it can be used to prove whatever political point you might want to make.
Wow, Georgie, what a zinger. This may be the best of your 8000 posts yet.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
LOL.... The truth is that I'm not buying Trump's fact free claims.
As multiple U.S. courts have told him recently: (to paraphrase): "Allegations are not proof".
Personally I find allegations of organizations tied to Trump far more troubling than being tied to China. It isn't China attacking our democracy. The best thing about Trump being fired is that we can return to fact based government. It won't stop right wing propaganda sites. But at least our government won't be sponsoring and feeding the propaganda.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
I erroneously thought Trump Derangement Syndrome was a myth.
No, Trump isn't deranged -- insecure and angry, but not deranged. But his cult is. He's just a conman taking advantage of the poorly informed, desperate, greedy and gullible.
Lol. I thought I’d check in here a day later. Aren’t you out of breath yet?
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Yeh, that's how they work: Piling allegation upon allegation constitutes "proof" to them.
It works on the fools reading and listening to right wing propaganda. And, they got so used to it in their closed loop cult that Trump tried to use the technique in his coup to overturn our election -- and every court has told him that he needs proof not just more crazed allegations -- even judges that he had appointed called bull:
" “This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together ... Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” wrote Bibas, who was nominated by Trump."
Another Trump appointed judge ruled: "Brann dismissed the case on Nov. 21, saying the case was based on “strained legal arguments” and “speculative accusations. ... Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of
unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it
so.”
But regardless: "Polls have showed a majority of Republicans believe Trump won the election"
And to bring it back to the thread: They (Trump and right wing propaganda outlets) are using the same technique on China: Spew enough allegations and the fools will believe they are factual and true.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time...."
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
LOL.... So anybody who challenges your propaganda is part of the Chinese Communist Party which, in your mind, is equivalent to being part of the Third Reich.
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Yes. But only intelligent, relevant questions.
I'm not sure the saying applies here anyway.
No, Trump isn't deranged -- insecure and angry, but not deranged. But his cult is. He's just a conman taking advantage of the poorly informed, desperate, greedy and gullible.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/chinas-influence-operations-hurt-chances-for-real-engagement/
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/06/08/chinas-foreign-interference-likely-widespread-in-canada-says-author-of-new-report.html
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-party-speaks-for-you-foreign-interference-and-the-chinese-communist-partys-united-front-system/
Thanks -- but I'll stick to the truth.
As they say: The truth hurts most.
Are you out of hot air yet?
"Brann dismissed the case on Nov. 21, saying the case was based on “strained legal arguments” and “speculative accusations. ... Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so.”
"Polls have showed a majority of Republicans believe Trump won the election"