@GeorgeBMac ; I certainly hope you are not the person in charge of showing your Grandson how to be grow into a responsible and respectful adult. If we were to go by your responses on this page alone I would hope the Apple did fall far from the tree for a change. Is this really the example you would be for him?
While the rest of us attempt to have an honest debate, your claimed "facts and reality" based posts consist of
1. China haters will blame them for anything and everything they can -- To cover up their own corruption and incompetence. (Hey, look over there!) 2. Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. (uh whut?) 3. LOL.... That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult. (Ah, Trump did it!) 4. It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy. (Oh, the whole US did it?) 5. Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe (Duh) 6. But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil ... while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy. (Ignored him? We voted him OUT. You're the one who can't seem to let go while the rest of us begin to move on) 7. There is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense. (Hey, try it anyway unless you don't have anything) 8. You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con. (Gotcha. Trump again) 9. Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear. (Oh geez, Trump and more Trump. Quite an unhealthy obsession IMHO) 10. The Hater in Chief told us so.... (Yeah we get it. You really are obsessed with Trump) 11. That's typical of a Trumper. (Now it's just sad.) 12. it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. (Sad and huh?) 13. And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in: he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.
(Thanks for letting us know you have no intention of giving up on Trump even after he lost, Four more years of George rants)
Ten of the 19 posts on this page are yours George and only one has anything even tangentially related to "facts". You could have summarized all of them with one post: China is a wonderful example of good and no one has evidence to the contrary, if we disagree with you we're haters, the US was evil in the past so we can't say anything anyway, everyone other than you is a gullible fool, and you hate Trump.
Responsibility is not using "facts" to tell lies.
You're old enough that you should have learned that by now. But, being a deluded, delusional Trumper, the truth matters not, just the agenda.....
@GeorgeBMac ; I certainly hope you are not the person in charge of showing your Grandson how to be grow into a responsible and respectful adult. If we were to go by your responses on this page alone I would hope the Apple did fall far from the tree for a change. Is this really the example you would be for him?
While the rest of us attempt to have an honest debate, your claimed "facts and reality" based posts consist of
1. China haters will blame them for anything and everything they can -- To cover up their own corruption and incompetence. (Hey, look over there!) 2. Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. (uh whut?) 3. LOL.... That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult. (Ah, Trump did it!) 4. It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy. (Oh, the whole US did it?) 5. Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe (Duh) 6. But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil ... while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy. (Ignored him? We voted him OUT. You're the one who can't seem to let go while the rest of us begin to move on) 7. There is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense. (Hey, try it anyway unless you don't have anything) 8. You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con. (Gotcha. Trump again) 9. Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear. (Oh geez, Trump and more Trump. Quite an unhealthy obsession IMHO) 10. The Hater in Chief told us so.... (Yeah we get it. You really are obsessed with Trump) 11. That's typical of a Trumper. (Now it's just sad.) 12. it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. (Sad and huh?) 13. And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in: he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.
(Thanks for letting us know you have no intention of giving up on Trump even after he lost, Four more years of George rants)
Ten of the 19 posts on this page are yours George and only one has anything even tangentially related to "facts". You could have summarized all of them with one post: China is a wonderful example of good and no one has evidence to the contrary, if we disagree with you we're haters, the US was evil in the past so we can't say anything anyway, everyone other than you is a gullible fool, and you hate Trump.
Responsibility is not using "facts" to spread lies.
You're
old enough that you should have learned that by now. But, being a
deluded, delusional Trumper, the truth matters not, just the agenda.....
@GeorgeBMac ; I certainly hope you are not the person in charge of showing your Grandson how to be grow into a responsible and respectful adult. If we were to go by your responses on this page alone I would hope the Apple did fall far from the tree for a change. Is this really the example you would be for him?
While the rest of us attempt to have an honest debate, your claimed "facts and reality" based posts consist of
1. China haters will blame them for anything and everything they can -- To cover up their own corruption and incompetence. (Hey, look over there!) 2. Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. (uh whut?) 3. LOL.... That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult. (Ah, Trump did it!) 4. It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy. (Oh, the whole US did it?) 5. Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe (Duh) 6. But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil ... while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy. (Ignored him? We voted him OUT. You're the one who can't seem to let go while the rest of us begin to move on) 7. There is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense. (Hey, try it anyway unless you don't have anything) 8. You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con. (Gotcha. Trump again) 9. Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear. (Oh geez, Trump and more Trump. Quite an unhealthy obsession IMHO) 10. The Hater in Chief told us so.... (Yeah we get it. You really are obsessed with Trump) 11. That's typical of a Trumper. (Now it's just sad.) 12. it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. (Sad and huh?) 13. And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in: he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.
(Thanks for letting us know you have no intention of giving up on Trump even after he lost, Four more years of George rants)
Ten of the 19 posts on this page are yours George and only one has anything even tangentially related to "facts". You could have summarized all of them with one post: China is a wonderful example of good and no one has evidence to the contrary, if we disagree with you we're haters, the US was evil in the past so we can't say anything anyway, everyone other than you is a gullible fool, and you hate Trump.
Responsibility is not using "facts" to spread lies.
You're
old enough that you should have learned that by now. But, being a
deluded, delusional Trumper, the truth matters not, just the agenda.....
14. You're old enough that you should have learned that by now. But, being a deluded, delusional Trumper, the truth matters not, just the agenda..... Yet more "dismiss it with Trump". I suspect 6 months from now you'll still be doing the same.
Here's a reality check for you: He lost, the majority of US voters don't like the way he handled the Presidency. Move on man. Fiind new excuses for hating US policies, a new whipping boy to blame, and new names to call those who disagree with you.
@GeorgeBMac ; I certainly hope you are not the person in charge of showing your Grandson how to be grow into a responsible and respectful adult. If we were to go by your responses on this page alone I would hope the Apple did fall far from the tree for a change. Is this really the example you would be for him?
While the rest of us attempt to have an honest debate, your claimed "facts and reality" based posts consist of
1. China haters will blame them for anything and everything they can -- To cover up their own corruption and incompetence. (Hey, look over there!) 2. Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. (uh whut?) 3. LOL.... That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult. (Ah, Trump did it!) 4. It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy. (Oh, the whole US did it?) 5. Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe (Duh) 6. But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil ... while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy. (Ignored him? We voted him OUT. You're the one who can't seem to let go while the rest of us begin to move on) 7. There is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense. (Hey, try it anyway unless you don't have anything) 8. You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con. (Gotcha. Trump again) 9. Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear. (Oh geez, Trump and more Trump. Quite an unhealthy obsession IMHO) 10. The Hater in Chief told us so.... (Yeah we get it. You really are obsessed with Trump) 11. That's typical of a Trumper. (Now it's just sad.) 12. it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. (Sad and huh?) 13. And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in: he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.
(Thanks for letting us know you have no intention of giving up on Trump even after he lost, Four more years of George rants)
Ten of the 19 posts on this page are yours George and only one has anything even tangentially related to "facts". You could have summarized all of them with one post: China is a wonderful example of good and no one has evidence to the contrary, if we disagree with you we're haters, the US was evil in the past so we can't say anything anyway, everyone other than you is a gullible fool, and you hate Trump.
Responsibility is not using "facts" to spread lies.
You're
old enough that you should have learned that by now. But, being a
deluded, delusional Trumper, the truth matters not, just the agenda.....
Stop calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a Trumper. It's pathetic.
People are being more than patient with your ranting and you're being an ass time and time again. Enough already.
I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add.
Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations:
That's typical of a Trumper. Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously. Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult. He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election. While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
That link is from the Guardian, the most left wing paper in the UK. They do not support Trump at all, nor are they very supportive of the right wing British government. There is nothing particularly "crazy" about the allegation.
It's perfectly ok to not like Trump or his supporters, I don't care for them either. It's perfectly ok to have a problem with China too.
This thread is not about Trump, it's about Apple and China. You claim that Trump attempts to distract from his misdeeds by pointing the finger at China, yet here you are in a thread about China's misdeeds and you're pointing the finger at Trump. Have some self-awareness man.
You said it: A L L E G A T I O N
As U.S. courts have spelled out very vehemently (actually scornfully) to the Trumpers: allegations are not evidence.
But, Trumpers don't care. For them, it is the agenda that counts. So they create (or exaggerate) scenarios and then claim them as factual proof of guilt -- and the proof is endless repetition of the lies at every opportunity. To them, allegations posing as factual truth are simply weapons for them to use in their war against any and all who fail to support their agenda -- or, God forbid, oppose it.
In the case of China, it started with allegations that Huawei is a "National Security Risk". When asked for proof of their claim the Trump administration had nothing. Zero. But since then the smear campaigns have branched out into unsubstantiated claims of human rights abuses (while the same people supported putting kids in cages and the killing of black people here) and then it branched into blaming China for their own inept and incompetent response to the virus. And then, horror of horrors! They condemn China for not adopting their form of government. The nerve of those dirty, rotten Commies!
You are correct that some non-right wing propaganda outlets have repeated their allegations and the right has used that as proof that their allegations are true. But then that same scenario played out in 2003 as main stream media as well as some Democratic politicians also believed and propagated their lies -- and the result was that 600,000 died from a war based on lies. And, today, the Trumpers are again trying to create yet another war based on lies -- a cold war (hopefully) -- but a war none the less.
... So no, I do not think that finding a fool who believes the lies is proof that the lies are not lies.
Was it true that Saddam was a brutal despot -- probably, at least to some extent. But it wasn't justification to kill 600,000 people. And the folly became even more apparent when alQaeda and ISIS moved in to fill the power vacuum that we created.
Is it true that China is an evil empire built on cheating and human rights abuses -- I'm sure there is some truth in that. Is it justification for the wild allegations when you could find similar complaints about almost any country? Of course not!
Words matter
Truth matters
Lies matter
Could I accuse you of being a mean, cruel person? I'm sure I could dig up some person or incident in your life to confirm that allegation. But that wouldn't make it true.
While I am not pro-China, I am solidly against the loss of truth, honor and integrity I see being propagated by a country that used to hold itself to a higher standard -- that used to pose as a role model for the world to follow. Now it has fallen to being scorned by its competitors & adversaries while being laughed at by its allies.
Are the lies and allegations going to end in January? No, the same propaganda machine that propelled Trump to power remains alive and well and it won't let Trumpism die.
I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add.
Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations:
That's typical of a Trumper. Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously. Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult. He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election. While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
Wow you need to chill and step back a bit. If you were able to widen your worldview you'd realise there are people who live outside of the US, me being one. So not really sure how I can be a "Trumper". You do seem pretty obsessed with him yourself though. Plus the Guardian is about as left as it gets, a bit the opposite of your claims about right wing Trump supporters. Oops, again.
Oh and of course you still can't refuse anything nor criticise China for the slave labour, because you are a Chinese shill and would be shot by the Chinese government if you criticised them.
I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add.
Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations:
That's typical of a Trumper. Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously. Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult. He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election. While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
That link is from the Guardian, the most left wing paper in the UK. They do not support Trump at all, nor are they very supportive of the right wing British government. There is nothing particularly "crazy" about the allegation.
It's perfectly ok to not like Trump or his supporters, I don't care for them either. It's perfectly ok to have a problem with China too.
This thread is not about Trump, it's about Apple and China. You claim that Trump attempts to distract from his misdeeds by pointing the finger at China, yet here you are in a thread about China's misdeeds and you're pointing the finger at Trump. Have some self-awareness man.
You said it: A L L E G A T I O N
As U.S. courts have spelled out very vehemently (actually scornfully) to the Trumpers: allegations are not evidence.
But, Trumpers don't care. For them, it is the agenda that counts. So they create (or exaggerate) scenarios and then claim them as factual proof of guilt -- and the proof is endless repetition of the lies at every opportunity. To them, allegations posing as factual truth are simply weapons for them to use in their war against any and all who fail to support their agenda -- or, God forbid, oppose it.
In the case of China, it started with allegations that Huawei is a "National Security Risk". When asked for proof of their claim the Trump administration had nothing. Zero. But since then the smear campaigns have branched out into unsubstantiated claims of human rights abuses (while the same people supported putting kids in cages and the killing of black people here) and then it branched into blaming China for their own inept and incompetent response to the virus. And then, horror of horrors! They condemn China for not adopting their form of government. The nerve of those dirty, rotten Commies!
You are correct that some non-right wing propaganda outlets have repeated their allegations and the right has used that as proof that their allegations are true. But then that same scenario played out in 2003 as main stream media as well as some Democratic politicians also believed and propagated their lies -- and the result was that 600,000 died from a war based on lies. And, today, the Trumpers are again trying to create yet another war based on lies -- a cold war (hopefully) -- but a war none the less.
... So no, I do not think that finding a fool who believes the lies is proof that the lies are not lies.
Was it true that Saddam was a brutal despot -- probably, at least to some extent. But it wasn't justification to kill 600,000 people. And the folly became even more apparent when alQaeda and ISIS moved in to fill the power vacuum that we created.
Is it true that China is an evil empire built on cheating and human rights abuses -- I'm sure there is some truth in that. Is it justification for the wild allegations when you could find similar complaints about almost any country? Of course not!
Words matter
Truth matters
Lies matter
Could I accuse you of being a mean, cruel person? I'm sure I could dig up some person or incident in your life to confirm that allegation. But that wouldn't make it true.
While I am not pro-China, I am solidly against the loss of truth, honor and integrity I see being propagated by a country that used to hold itself to a higher standard -- that used to pose as a role model for the world to follow. Now it has fallen to being scorned by its competitors & adversaries while being laughed at by its allies.
Are the lies and allegations going to end in January? No, the same propaganda machine that propelled Trump to power remains alive and well and it won't let Trumpism die.
This is just ranting. Do you think the Guardian is taking their report from the White House? No, they are credible journalists and are investigating this. Same for many other credible news sources across the world.
There was a lot of scrutiny and doubt of the intelligence presented as a justification for the Iraq War at the time, partially because journalists weren't able to verify it. There were marches against that war. The situations are very different.
You need to stop dismissing news that you don't like as propaganda, that's not how truth works.
I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add.
Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations:
That's typical of a Trumper. Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously. Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult. He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election. While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
That link is from the Guardian, the most left wing paper in the UK. They do not support Trump at all, nor are they very supportive of the right wing British government. There is nothing particularly "crazy" about the allegation.
It's perfectly ok to not like Trump or his supporters, I don't care for them either. It's perfectly ok to have a problem with China too.
This thread is not about Trump, it's about Apple and China. You claim that Trump attempts to distract from his misdeeds by pointing the finger at China, yet here you are in a thread about China's misdeeds and you're pointing the finger at Trump. Have some self-awareness man.
You said it: A L L E G A T I O N
As U.S. courts have spelled out very vehemently (actually scornfully) to the Trumpers: allegations are not evidence.
But, Trumpers don't care. For them, it is the agenda that counts. So they create (or exaggerate) scenarios and then claim them as factual proof of guilt -- and the proof is endless repetition of the lies at every opportunity. To them, allegations posing as factual truth are simply weapons for them to use in their war against any and all who fail to support their agenda -- or, God forbid, oppose it.
In the case of China, it started with allegations that Huawei is a "National Security Risk". When asked for proof of their claim the Trump administration had nothing. Zero. But since then the smear campaigns have branched out into unsubstantiated claims of human rights abuses (while the same people supported putting kids in cages and the killing of black people here) and then it branched into blaming China for their own inept and incompetent response to the virus. And then, horror of horrors! They condemn China for not adopting their form of government. The nerve of those dirty, rotten Commies!
You are correct that some non-right wing propaganda outlets have repeated their allegations and the right has used that as proof that their allegations are true. But then that same scenario played out in 2003 as main stream media as well as some Democratic politicians also believed and propagated their lies -- and the result was that 600,000 died from a war based on lies. And, today, the Trumpers are again trying to create yet another war based on lies -- a cold war (hopefully) -- but a war none the less.
... So no, I do not think that finding a fool who believes the lies is proof that the lies are not lies.
Was it true that Saddam was a brutal despot -- probably, at least to some extent. But it wasn't justification to kill 600,000 people. And the folly became even more apparent when alQaeda and ISIS moved in to fill the power vacuum that we created.
Is it true that China is an evil empire built on cheating and human rights abuses -- I'm sure there is some truth in that. Is it justification for the wild allegations when you could find similar complaints about almost any country? Of course not!
Words matter
Truth matters
Lies matter
Could I accuse you of being a mean, cruel person? I'm sure I could dig up some person or incident in your life to confirm that allegation. But that wouldn't make it true.
While I am not pro-China, I am solidly against the loss of truth, honor and integrity I see being propagated by a country that used to hold itself to a higher standard -- that used to pose as a role model for the world to follow. Now it has fallen to being scorned by its competitors & adversaries while being laughed at by its allies.
Are the lies and allegations going to end in January? No, the same propaganda machine that propelled Trump to power remains alive and well and it won't let Trumpism die.
This is just ranting. Do you think the Guardian is taking their report from the White House? No, they are credible journalists and are investigating this. Same for many other credible news sources across the world.
There was a lot of scrutiny and doubt of the intelligence presented as a justification for the Iraq War at the time, partially because journalists weren't able to verify it. There were marches against that war. The situations are very different.
You need to stop dismissing news that you don't like as propaganda, that's not how truth works.
I would call the constant, never ending drumbeat of the China haters a rant. What I did was call bull to the bull.
Going back, Do you think the Guardian & others took their support for the Iraq war from the White House?
And the so called "intelligence" is just a questionable this time. More so actually since the intelligence services are mostly silent and the ranting is coming from the politicians.
No, allegations are just that allegations. They may stem from any source and for any motivation. We know the source of the China Hate and its motivation. It started with Trump and his nationalist policies founded on fear and hate of any who would challenge him. And, when challenged to produce proof he simply spouts more accusations.
The only difference this time (the lack of demonstrations) is they aren't talking about hot, war -- so far. So far it's just a political thing.
The ridiculous thing is the Chinese people don't even like the Chinese government, but GeorgeBMac seems to think otherwise. I've spent a good while in China, I know they don't like the government. The people of China are nothing like the dictatorship that runs the country. The people of China protested against their government in the past, and they were quite literally flattened. That's fine is it George? No doubt you won't answer no to that, only attempting to attack me rather than the message. Because you are a Chinese shill.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
LOL.... So anybody who challenges your propaganda is part of the Chinese Communist Party which, in your mind, is equivalent to being part of the Third Reich.
Got it.
Same applies.. Anyone that doesn't agree with your views of China.. are Trumpers or brainwashed by Trump?
I mean Hitler took advantage of democracy? Wow...smh
And the so called "intelligence" is just a questionable this time. More so actually since the intelligence services are mostly silent and the ranting is coming from the politicians.
No, allegations are just that allegations. They may stem from any source and for any motivation. We know the source of the China Hate and its motivation. It started with Trump and his nationalist policies founded on fear and hate of any who would challenge him. And, when challenged to produce proof he simply spouts more accusations.
The only difference this time (the lack of demonstrations) is they aren't talking about hot, war -- so far. So far it's just a political thing.
You're mixing your rants. Trump has been the source of virus conspiracies. We can probably dismiss those, as they are presented without evidence for political advantage. He has been mostly silent on the plight of the Uyghurs, which has come from numerous independent news reports and investigations. There is substantial testimony and evidence to what is happening in China, and it is terrible.
You seem to equate anything remotely critical of China with pro-Trump. They are not the same thing. Don't let your dislike of Trump blind you to other truths.
The ridiculous thing is the Chinese people don't even like the Chinese government, but GeorgeBMac seems to think otherwise. I've spent a good while in China, I know they don't like the government. The people of China are nothing like the dictatorship that runs the country. The people of China protested against their government in the past, and they were quite literally flattened. That's fine is it George? No doubt you won't answer no to that, only attempting to attack me rather than the message. Because you are a Chinese shill.
No country is perfect. But, right now it sounds like the Chinese like their government a whole lot more than Americans like theirs.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
LOL.... So anybody who challenges your propaganda is part of the Chinese Communist Party which, in your mind, is equivalent to being part of the Third Reich.
Got it.
Same applies.. Anyone that doesn't agree with your views of China.. are Trumpers or brainwashed by Trump?
I mean Hitler took advantage of democracy? Wow...smh
Those continuously popping off with Trumpian, hate filled anti-China rants kind of fit that bill. So yeh.
But, for your last false statement: yeh! Hitler was elected pretty much the same way Trump was: As a populist politician appealing to disenfranchised workers with a nationalist agenda. And, like Trump, he proceeded to dismantle the democracy that had given him power. Unlike Trump however, Hitler was better at it.
And the so called "intelligence" is just a questionable this time. More so actually since the intelligence services are mostly silent and the ranting is coming from the politicians.
No, allegations are just that allegations. They may stem from any source and for any motivation. We know the source of the China Hate and its motivation. It started with Trump and his nationalist policies founded on fear and hate of any who would challenge him. And, when challenged to produce proof he simply spouts more accusations.
The only difference this time (the lack of demonstrations) is they aren't talking about hot, war -- so far. So far it's just a political thing.
You're mixing your rants. Trump has been the source of virus conspiracies. We can probably dismiss those, as they are presented without evidence for political advantage. He has been mostly silent on the plight of the Uyghurs, which has come from numerous independent news reports and investigations. There is substantial testimony and evidence to what is happening in China, and it is terrible.
You seem to equate anything remotely critical of China with pro-Trump. They are not the same thing. Don't let your dislike of Trump blind you to other truths.
Yeh, that's because Trump originated and fuels the hate and fear of China -- while his hate campaign keeps morphing from one outrage to another as they lose steam and fade away. I find it strange that most who are outraged about alleged human rights problems with Uyghurs are just fine with putting kids in cages, turning away refuges and asylum seekers and the ongoing murder of innocent unarmed black men in this country -- not to mention the widening wealth gap pushing Americans into poverty and the push to deprive them of access to health care. It kind of puts the lie to their professed humanity.
That's not to trash America -- every country has problems and issues to deal with - and the U.S. has been dealing with those things: despite ongoing massive human rights abuses, it remains are far better place for minorities than the USA I grew up in. But, ignoring it exposes the hypocrisy of those outraged at unconfirmed allegations in one country but completely ignoring the human rights violations in their own country. It demonstrates it isn't humanity at work -- it's an agenda.
And the so called "intelligence" is just a questionable this time. More so actually since the intelligence services are mostly silent and the ranting is coming from the politicians.
No, allegations are just that allegations. They may stem from any source and for any motivation. We know the source of the China Hate and its motivation. It started with Trump and his nationalist policies founded on fear and hate of any who would challenge him. And, when challenged to produce proof he simply spouts more accusations.
The only difference this time (the lack of demonstrations) is they aren't talking about hot, war -- so far. So far it's just a political thing.
You're mixing your rants. Trump has been the source of virus conspiracies. We can probably dismiss those, as they are presented without evidence for political advantage. He has been mostly silent on the plight of the Uyghurs, which has come from numerous independent news reports and investigations. There is substantial testimony and evidence to what is happening in China, and it is terrible.
You seem to equate anything remotely critical of China with pro-Trump. They are not the same thing. Don't let your dislike of Trump blind you to other truths.
Yeh, that's because Trump originated and fuels the hate and fear of China -- while his hate campaign keeps morphing from one outrage to another as they lose steam and fade away. I find it strange that most who are outraged about alleged human rights problems with Uyghurs are just fine with putting kids in cages, turning away refuges and asylum seekers and the ongoing murder of innocent unarmed black men in this country -- not to mention the widening wealth gap pushing Americans into poverty and the push to deprive them of access to health care. It kind of puts the lie to their professed humanity.
I don't live in the USA so can't attest to that, but over here the majority of the coverage of the Uyghur camps has been from the more liberal press. And our press has no allegiance to the US President. So I think your suspicion that you've dressed as a fact there is bogus, a lot of people concerned about human rights abuses in China were also horrified at the various crazy machinations of the Trump administration. Maybe there are some bad faith people on the conservative side who have suddenly found out that they care about Chinese muslims more than black americans, but I highly doubt it's the majortity, as you imply.
I'l say again, The Guardian, which was linked earlier, is a left-leaning newspaper, the most prominent broadsheet paper of that persuasion in the UK, and one of the biggest in the world. They covered the Black Lives Matter movement sympathetically, and they reported on the immigration centres in the USA. What you say seems not to bear out in reality.
Trump did not originate all accusations of human rights abuses against China. not by a long shot. You give him far too much credit.
That's not to trash America -- every country has problems and issues to deal with - and the U.S. has been dealing with those things: despite ongoing massive human rights abuses, it remains are far better place for minorities than the USA I grew up in. But, ignoring it exposes the hypocrisy of those outraged at unconfirmed allegations in one country but completely ignoring the human rights violations in their own country. It demonstrates it isn't humanity at work -- it's an agenda.
I don't particularly want to rank human rights abuses, but (bad as they may be) the civil rights violations in the USA pale in comparison to mass incarceration and genocide being committed on ethnic and religious grounds in some parts of the world. And no one here has said to ignore anything, so please stop with this bullshit.
It's not all about Trump. Much as he would probably like it be.
And the so called "intelligence" is just a questionable this time. More so actually since the intelligence services are mostly silent and the ranting is coming from the politicians.
No, allegations are just that allegations. They may stem from any source and for any motivation. We know the source of the China Hate and its motivation. It started with Trump and his nationalist policies founded on fear and hate of any who would challenge him. And, when challenged to produce proof he simply spouts more accusations.
The only difference this time (the lack of demonstrations) is they aren't talking about hot, war -- so far. So far it's just a political thing.
You're mixing your rants. Trump has been the source of virus conspiracies. We can probably dismiss those, as they are presented without evidence for political advantage. He has been mostly silent on the plight of the Uyghurs, which has come from numerous independent news reports and investigations. There is substantial testimony and evidence to what is happening in China, and it is terrible.
You seem to equate anything remotely critical of China with pro-Trump. They are not the same thing. Don't let your dislike of Trump blind you to other truths.
Yeh, that's because Trump originated and fuels the hate and fear of China -- while his hate campaign keeps morphing from one outrage to another as they lose steam and fade away. I find it strange that most who are outraged about alleged human rights problems with Uyghurs are just fine with putting kids in cages, turning away refuges and asylum seekers and the ongoing murder of innocent unarmed black men in this country -- not to mention the widening wealth gap pushing Americans into poverty and the push to deprive them of access to health care. It kind of puts the lie to their professed humanity.
I don't live in the USA so can't attest to that, but over here the majority of the coverage of the Uyghur camps has been from the more liberal press. And our press has no allegiance to the US President. So I think your suspicion that you've dressed as a fact there is bogus, a lot of people concerned about human rights abuses in China were also horrified at the various crazy machinations of the Trump administration. Maybe there are some bad faith people on the conservative side who have suddenly found out that they care about Chinese muslims more than black americans, but I highly doubt it's the majortity, as you imply.
I'l say again, The Guardian, which was linked earlier, is a left-leaning newspaper, the most prominent broadsheet paper of that persuasion in the UK, and one of the biggest in the world. They covered the Black Lives Matter movement sympathetically, and they reported on the immigration centres in the USA. What you say seems not to bear out in reality.
Trump did not originate all accusations of human rights abuses against China. not by a long shot. You give him far too much credit.
That's not to trash America -- every country has problems and issues to deal with - and the U.S. has been dealing with those things: despite ongoing massive human rights abuses, it remains are far better place for minorities than the USA I grew up in. But, ignoring it exposes the hypocrisy of those outraged at unconfirmed allegations in one country but completely ignoring the human rights violations in their own country. It demonstrates it isn't humanity at work -- it's an agenda.
I don't particularly want to rank human rights abuses, but (bad as they may be) the civil rights violations in the USA pale in comparison to mass incarceration and genocide being committed on ethnic and religious grounds in some parts of the world. And no one here has said to ignore anything, so please stop with this bullshit.
It's not all about Trump. Much as he would probably like it be.
Didm't the liberal Guardian jump on the bandwagon of Bush's lies about Iraq?
So, why do you take what they say as proof of anything?
Wait till the Trump promoted wave of nationalist hate washes past and then maybe we will get some accurate, impartial reporting. Right now its fashionable to Hate on China (just as it became fashionable to hare on Iraq) and some will jump on that bandwagon for fun and profit. For people in countries struggling with inept governments, crushed economies and pandemics it is an easy escape from their own troubles to disparage others. Its been a method used by despots for ages.
Tibet is free, don’t let any Trumpers tell you different. Hong Kong isn’t having any protests, don’t let any Trumpers tell you different. Nothing is happening in the South China Sea, don’t let any Trumpers tell you different. The Uyghur Human Right Project is a hoax by Trumpers. Amnesty and Human rights Watch have been fooled by the Trumpers and false testimony of hundreds of witnesses.
Your wilful myopia towards China is an advanced and mutated Trump Derangement Syndrome the likes of which I’ve not come across before. You need to cut the man out of your life before he ruins your health like he’s poisoned your mind.
This data leak in China is the first time in my memory that any such thing has occurred. I think the cracks are finally showing in the PRC Great Wall of Disinformation.
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Yet more "dismiss it with Trump". I suspect 6 months from now you'll still be doing the same.
Here's a reality check for you: He lost, the majority of US voters don't like the way he handled the Presidency. Move on man. Fiind new excuses for hating US policies, a new whipping boy to blame, and new names to call those who disagree with you.
People are being more than patient with your ranting and you're being an ass time and time again. Enough already.
Oh and of course you still can't refuse anything nor criticise China for the slave labour, because you are a Chinese shill and would be shot by the Chinese government if you criticised them.
There was a lot of scrutiny and doubt of the intelligence presented as a justification for the Iraq War at the time, partially because journalists weren't able to verify it. There were marches against that war. The situations are very different.
You need to stop dismissing news that you don't like as propaganda, that's not how truth works.
You seem to equate anything remotely critical of China with pro-Trump. They are not the same thing. Don't let your dislike of Trump blind you to other truths.
No country is perfect. But, right now it sounds like the Chinese like their government a whole lot more than Americans like theirs.
Yeh, that's because Trump originated and fuels the hate and fear of China -- while his hate campaign keeps morphing from one outrage to another as they lose steam and fade away. I find it strange that most who are outraged about alleged human rights problems with Uyghurs are just fine with putting kids in cages, turning away refuges and asylum seekers and the ongoing murder of innocent unarmed black men in this country -- not to mention the widening wealth gap pushing Americans into poverty and the push to deprive them of access to health care. It kind of puts the lie to their professed humanity.
That's not to trash America -- every country has problems and issues to deal with - and the U.S. has been dealing with those things: despite ongoing massive human rights abuses, it remains are far better place for minorities than the USA I grew up in. But, ignoring it exposes the hypocrisy of those outraged at unconfirmed allegations in one country but completely ignoring the human rights violations in their own country. It demonstrates it isn't humanity at work -- it's an agenda.
I'l say again, The Guardian, which was linked earlier, is a left-leaning newspaper, the most prominent broadsheet paper of that persuasion in the UK, and one of the biggest in the world. They covered the Black Lives Matter movement sympathetically, and they reported on the immigration centres in the USA. What you say seems not to bear out in reality.
Trump did not originate all accusations of human rights abuses against China. not by a long shot. You give him far too much credit.
I don't particularly want to rank human rights abuses, but (bad as they may be) the civil rights violations in the USA pale in comparison to mass incarceration and genocide being committed on ethnic and religious grounds in some parts of the world. And no one here has said to ignore anything, so please stop with this bullshit.
It's not all about Trump. Much as he would probably like it be.
Hong Kong isn’t having any protests, don’t let any Trumpers tell you different.
Nothing is happening in the South China Sea, don’t let any Trumpers tell you different.
The Uyghur Human Right Project is a hoax by Trumpers.
Amnesty and Human rights Watch have been fooled by the Trumpers and false testimony of hundreds of witnesses.
Your wilful myopia towards China is an advanced and mutated Trump Derangement Syndrome the likes of which I’ve not come across before. You need to cut the man out of your life before he ruins your health like he’s poisoned your mind.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558509-China-Cables-Telegram-Chinese.html
For those who don't read Chinese this is the English-translation. George wouldn't trust that Trump didn't translate it.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558510-China-Cables-Telegram-English.html
and finally a letter signed by dozens of not-US diplomats asking the International Criminal Court for a full review of the evidence against China and the increasingly likely Uyghur genocide efforts they are undertaking.
https://ipac.global/ipac-calls-on-international-criminal-court-to-accept-case-investigating-suspected-genocide-against-uyghur-muslims/
It would be impossible for him to deny that the preponderance of evidence finds against China's claims