The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
LOL.... So anybody who challenges your propaganda is part of the Chinese Communist Party which, in your mind, is equivalent to being part of the Third Reich.
Got it.
Read more, post less.
President Elect Biden isn't going to be rolling back those restrictions, due to human rights concerns, but will likely change the tariff structure that Trump put in place. The net result won't look all that much different than the Trump Administration and its obvious, to me anyway, that China is facing headwinds to trade with the West in the future.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
LOL.... So anybody who challenges your propaganda is part of the Chinese Communist Party which, in your mind, is equivalent to being part of the Third Reich.
Got it.
Read more, post less.
President Elect Biden isn't going to be rolling back those restrictions, due to human rights concerns, but will likely change the tariff structure that Trump put in place. The net result won't look all that much different than the Trump Administration and its obvious, to me anyway, that China is facing headwinds to trade with the West in the future.
We don't know that -- just more speculation.
What we do know is he won't be basing his foreign policy on fear mongering, lies and propaganda.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Nah! He's not Chinese, just a standard American Trumper. We're infested with them here.
And no, its not cultural. Prior to Trump the U.S. recognized China as a serious competitor. And, while it did have a few issues with the country it nevertheless saw China as a competitor rather than an enemy to be attacked. Trump changed that and, doing what he usually does, initiated a smear campaign to spread hate and fear among his foolish followers. But don't attribute that to America or Americans. America is a land of immigrants, not xenophobes. Those who follow Trump give their loyalty to him rather than their country. The real America rose up and fired him. He'll soon be just a bad memory -- hopefully sharing a cell with Bubba.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
.....
While that may be true, it is their business -- not yours.
But, while it is true you are not allowed to spread sedition in China, you're not allowed to do it here either. In fact, your leader, the Orange Fascist, wanted to call out the Army and imprison American protesters for sedition. Funny though how that seems to be OK with you.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Nah! He's not Chinese, just a standard American Trumper. We're infested with them here.
And no, its not cultural. Prior to Trump the U.S. recognized China as a serious competitor. And, while it did have a few issues with the country it nevertheless saw China as a competitor rather than an enemy to be attacked. Trump changed that and, doing what he usually does, initiated a smear campaign to spread hate and fear among his foolish followers. But don't attribute that to America or Americans. America is a land of immigrants, not xenophobes. Those who follow Trump give their loyalty to him rather than their country. The real America rose up and fired him. He'll soon be just a bad memory -- hopefully sharing a cell with Bubba.
What part of...
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
... makes me a "standard American Trumper"?
Are you unable to comprehend that the Democratic party also has an interest in both Human Rights and National Security? Are you unable to comprehend that China is a National Security issue and also a human rights violator?
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Nah! He's not Chinese, just a standard American Trumper. We're infested with them here.
And no, its not cultural. Prior to Trump the U.S. recognized China as a serious competitor. And, while it did have a few issues with the country it nevertheless saw China as a competitor rather than an enemy to be attacked. Trump changed that and, doing what he usually does, initiated a smear campaign to spread hate and fear among his foolish followers. But don't attribute that to America or Americans. America is a land of immigrants, not xenophobes. Those who follow Trump give their loyalty to him rather than their country. The real America rose up and fired him. He'll soon be just a bad memory -- hopefully sharing a cell with Bubba.
What part of...
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
... makes me a "standard American Trumper"?
Are you unable to comprehend that the Democratic party also has an interest in both Human Rights and National Security? Are you unable to comprehend that China is a National Security issue and also a human rights violator?
It's the part you where you continuously spout Trump's lies and propaganda that makes you sound like a Trumper -- as well as the fact that you are blind to human rights abuses in the U.S. but are outraged at the supposed abuses that right wing media spouts on a regular basis about China. It makes it sound like you are only concerned about human rights abuse the same as Trump is concerned about national security -- meaning 'not at all -- except as a convenient excuse' to pursue your agenda of hate.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
Massive falsehoods of holocaust? You want to fool who? If this is massive, why can't you name a single massive falsehood? I really like to hear you to point it out. You are being brainwashed for decades by western anti-communism propaganda during the cold war. You only know to use empty words in a dispute without providing any fact. This is typical trait of trumpers.
Use some common sense with a reasonable mind then you can see the falsehood of US propaganda. 70% of the world's trade travels through South China Sea. Which nation makes the largest part of the trade? China! Why would a nation that depends on such large trade wants to cause conflicts? If China stopped the peaceful trade through South China Sea, why would any other nation want to continue trade with China? This is completely out of sense. Unfortunately you could not use this simple logic to think clearly.
By the way, Xi Jinping is not President for Life of the PRC. This is not a real title. What he did not is cancel the rule of term limit. But he still can be replaced peacefully.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
Massive falsehoods of holocaust? You want to fool who? If this is massive, why can't you name a single massive falsehood? I really like to hear you to point it out. You are being brainwashed for decades by western anti-communism propaganda during the cold war. You only know to use empty words in a dispute without providing any fact. This is typical trait of trumpers.
Use some common sense with a reasonable mind then you can see the falsehood of US propaganda. 70% of the world's trade travels through South China Sea. Which nation makes the largest part of the trade? China! Why would a nation that depends on such large trade wants to cause conflicts? If China stopped the peaceful trade through South China Sea, why would any other nation want to continue trade with China? This is completely out of sense. Unfortunately you could not use this simple logic to think clearly.
By the way, Xi Jinping is not President for Life of the PRC. This is not a real title. What he did not is cancel the rule of term limit. But he still can be replaced peacefully.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
Massive falsehoods of holocaust? You want to fool who? If this is massive, why can't you name a single massive falsehood? I really like to hear you to point it out. You are being brainwashed for decades by western anti-communism propaganda during the cold war. You only know to use empty words in a dispute without providing any fact. This is typical trait of trumpers.
Use some common sense with a reasonable mind then you can see the falsehood of US propaganda. 70% of the world's trade travels through South China Sea. Which nation makes the largest part of the trade? China! Why would a nation that depends on such large trade wants to cause conflicts? If China stopped the peaceful trade through South China Sea, why would any other nation want to continue trade with China? This is completely out of sense. Unfortunately you could not use this simple logic to think clearly.
"After World War I (1914–1918), many Germans did not accept that their country had been defeated, which gave birth to the stab-in-the-back myth. This insinuated that it was disloyal politicians, chiefly Jews and communists, who had orchestrated Germany's surrender. Inflaming the anti-Jewish sentiment was the apparent over-representation of Jews in the leadership of communist revolutionary governments in Europe, such as Ernst Toller, head of a short-lived revolutionary government in Bavaria. This perception contributed to the canard of Jewish Bolshevism.[65]"
"Early antisemites in the Nazi Party included Dietrich Eckart, publisher of the Völkischer Beobachter, the party's newspaper, and Alfred Rosenberg, who wrote antisemitic articles for it in the 1920s. Rosenberg's vision of a secretive Jewish conspiracy ruling the world would influence Hitler's views of Jews by making them the driving force behind communism.[66] Central to Hitler's world view was the idea of expansion and Lebensraum (living space) in Eastern Europe for German Aryans, a policy of what Doris Bergen called "race and space". Open about his hatred of Jews, he subscribed to common antisemitic stereotypes.[67] From the early 1920s onwards, he compared the Jews to germs and said they should be dealt with in the same way. He viewed Marxism as a Jewish doctrine, said he was fighting against "Jewish Marxism", and believed that Jews had created communism as part of a conspiracy to destroy Germany.[68]"
Isn't this very similar to Trump rhetoric against Biden?
By the way, Xi Jinping is not President for Life of the PRC. This is not a real title. What he did not is cancel the rule of term limit. But he still can be replaced peacefully.
Peacefully, but only when he decides.
Got it.
His second term started on 2018. According to the old rule, it should last up to 2023. This is still three years away.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Nah! He's not Chinese, just a standard American Trumper. We're infested with them here.
And no, its not cultural. Prior to Trump the U.S. recognized China as a serious competitor. And, while it did have a few issues with the country it nevertheless saw China as a competitor rather than an enemy to be attacked. Trump changed that and, doing what he usually does, initiated a smear campaign to spread hate and fear among his foolish followers. But don't attribute that to America or Americans. America is a land of immigrants, not xenophobes. Those who follow Trump give their loyalty to him rather than their country. The real America rose up and fired him. He'll soon be just a bad memory -- hopefully sharing a cell with Bubba.
Why do I think it is cultural? Because culture is the behavior of a group of people. Democracy thus represent the culture of a group of people. The winner in an election won by majority. Dictator does not need to win by a group of people. Thus the winning does not represent the culture of a group of people. However, in order to carry out a policy the dictator has to please the culture of a group of people. Otherwise, the policy is difficult to execute and succeed. Trump won in 2016 by appealing the culture of a group of Americans. However, his policies turn out to be against the Americans culture. Thus he lost in 2020 election. This is a very simplified view and may not please a lot people.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
Not sure why you are so hung up on communism. It must be the right wing propaganda. For the Chinese and Vietnamese it works. It is giving them a better life.
As for China adapting itself to us: They not only adapted but beat us at our own game. They didn't win by cheating as the Orange Clown contends but by building better products, faster and cheaper.
Like us, China is a mixture or socialism and capitalism.
Like us, China uses capitalism where it works best and socialism where it works best. Currently their capitalist side is out performing our capitalist side.
Some say it is Authoritarian Capitalism versus Libertarian Capitalism and the authoritarian version is winning. They are correct.
Chump's game plan was to attack and tear down their capitalist side. He failed. Just as a similar game plan failed 40 years ago.
A better plan would have been to rebuild our capitalist side so it is, once again, competitive on the world market.
For you and the other China haters: Hate is not an efficient or effective market strategy -- and in capitalism market strategy is what counts.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
As for Hong Kong and Taiwan: they are part of China not independent. Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt. For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it. Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.
China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies. That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries. But it is reality. A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.
With millions unemployed, riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country. But perhaps that's the goal: "Hey! Look over there!"
Normally, I would post a shit ton of links to sources from around the world, but the essence is, that GeorgeBMac is factually wrong about almost everything that he posts on China.
It's almost like he is part of the United Front Work Department;
"What is more concerning from the report was the investigation identifying 600 U.S. organizations with ties to the Chinese Communist Party. More specifically, the groups were linked with the CCP’s United Front Work Department, which aims to influence foreign groups through various seemingly unaffiliated organizations. The concern is that those who engage with these organizations might be unaware of their links to the Chinese Communist Party."
This article is not specific at all. What kind of ties? What kind of links. This article does not give specific details. I think if this article give the specifics it will be very laughable.
Not to worry. I think that you are part of United Front as well, and I have stated that previously. I base this on the many comments that you have made to me in the past.
Nonetheless, I could find even more links, from many other countries experiencing the same issues with Chinese Diaspora. Australia would be a very good place to start, since the United Front Work Department has been so blatant in their actions and public responses, not to mention Official Chines Government statements.
People aren't seeing China in a good light these days, and it looks to worsen; Wolf Diplomacy and all that.
Your guessing on me is completely wrong. It shows that your knowledge about UFW is poor and biased.
Am I wrong? Your words don't suggest otherwise, and as I stated, I can link to a wide variety of articles on the UFWP (United Front) quite easily.
Do I need to go back to original comments that you made to me when you first showed up here, suggesting that I was Falun Gong, and a follower of Epoch Times? Perhaps your bias towards the PRC, and free speech here in the U.S., doesn't sit well with you.
Of course you are wrong. I am a Chinese. I understand what is wrong with FLG and EpochTimes. I am curious. You like to put a hat on other people head. Who you are? Are you from any organization? To me, you read more like that. My guess is you are actually a Chinese or someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Uhm, as fucked up as the U.S. is, we aren't the Chinese Government, nor the CCP. That you even can post your thoughts on here is because the internet is mostly open in the West. That is not true for China.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
OK. Thanks for telling who you are. This will make our conversation easier and more correct. Because different people has different thoughts based on his background.
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
No, it's Communism, hence why it was an anti-communist, President Richard Nixon, that was instrumental in opening up China. ' Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
Massive falsehoods of holocaust? You want to fool who? If this is massive, why can't you name a single massive falsehood? I really like to hear you to point it out. You are being brainwashed for decades by western anti-communism propaganda during the cold war. You only know to use empty words in a dispute without providing any fact. This is typical trait of trumpers.
Use some common sense with a reasonable mind then you can see the falsehood of US propaganda. 70% of the world's trade travels through South China Sea. Which nation makes the largest part of the trade? China! Why would a nation that depends on such large trade wants to cause conflicts? If China stopped the peaceful trade through South China Sea, why would any other nation want to continue trade with China? This is completely out of sense. Unfortunately you could not use this simple logic to think clearly.
By the way, what are global rules of order?
They are rules invented by Chump to favor the U.S.
Others follow international norms established and enforced by the WTO.
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President Elect Biden isn't going to be rolling back those restrictions, due to human rights concerns, but will likely change the tariff structure that Trump put in place. The net result won't look all that much different than the Trump Administration and its obvious, to me anyway, that China is facing headwinds to trade with the West in the future.
About the conflicts between US and China right now, I think they are really rooted due tot eh cultural differences between China and Western culture. CCP just happens to be the governing body of China. But back over one hundred years ago US Congress still passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. If you study the history, communism and CCP did not exist. Still the hatred of the white people in US toward Chinese is so high that a democratic US Congress will pass a law toward a race. There is nothing to be proud and the western culture not completely better than Chinese culture.
Interesting that you admit that the CCP did not exist years ago, in fact, only since 1947 has the CCP controlled Mainland China. I'm guessing that Taiwan understands that distinction as well. Most countries abide by the unwritten rule of not supporting Taiwan so as not to "offend" the PRC, but I certainly don't have to.
For the record, I'm a senior, liberal, U.S. Caucasian male, happy that Joe Biden is President Elect, and a person who wants the U.S and our allies to prepare for the inevitable conflict with China in the Indo Pacific.
Yes, our cultures are different, and there is a lot of U.S. history that I am not proud of, but your whataboutism distracts from the facts that China has imprisoned a large number of ethnic minorities, subjugated Tibet, and is attempting to erase minority cultures, in favor of a pure Han culture, and has executed dissenters and sold the body parts, which is certainly despicable. Frankly, Mainland China is a threat to both the existing world order, and world peace.
Yeah, I defend the democracy that used to exist in Hong Kong, and certainly defend the Democracy of Taiwan, which doesn't belong to the PRC just because they decided that it did.
I'm also not keen on the military expansionism that is being used in the South China Seas to bully other countries and steal their resources. If you are a U.S. citizen, as you have stated in the past, then you certainly must understand the differences between a Democracy, and the single party rule of the CCP.
Maybe you prefer that China keeps interfering in other nations affairs, especially as it concerns Chinese diaspora remaining faithful to the aims of the PRC.
I don't.
... makes me a "standard American Trumper"?
Are you unable to comprehend that the Democratic party also has an interest in both Human Rights and National Security? Are you unable to comprehend that China is a National Security issue and also a human rights violator?
It seems your biggest problem like many China haters is you have very poor knowledge of history. One reason is US media and government have engaged in anti-communism anti-China propaganda for many years. As a result they don't let average Americans know what is really going in China if it is positive for China. Like Taiwan, Pompeio said Taiwan has not been a part of China for many years. Is this a truth statement? No it is a partially factual statement. If he said Taiwan is not a part of China. Then it is a truth statement from the standpoint of US. Can you understand this English difference I am talking about?
Taiwan was a part of China before Japan forced cessation from China in 1895. After 1945, Taiwan returned to China. The civil war between KMD and CCP caused Taiwan to separate from mainland China since 1949. I am against CCP using force to reunite Taiwan. But I think it is not wrong for Taiwan to peacefully reunite with mainland China.
Historically South China Sea has been used mainly by Chinese to do trade and immigrate to southeast Asia. At that time, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia are not nations. Today these nations want to reclaim the islands as theirs. And according to international rule they can claim surrounding waters as their economic zone. They are posing a security threat to China which has 1.4 billion people. US built a first island chain outside China's eastern coast. US propaganda says this is to prevent the expansion of China. In reality, this is a grave military and security threat to China. You like US to continue the conflict with China. It seems in the future US forces can conveniently launch strikes to China from these islands. Of course, from a US racist like you will think this is justified. Because US has demonized China. There is nothing wrong with attacking a demon. But from civilization point of view, this is nothing different from Hitler putting millions of Jews into concentration camps. Hitler has conveniently labelled Jews as security threat to making Germany great again. His initial motive is this simple. But as history progress, he engaged in wars with surrounding nation. He has little time to pay attention to millions of Jews in concentration camps. And Germany is running of foods. The people in concentration are hungry and getting sick. Nazis cannot take of them. To prevent the spread of disease they put them in gas chamber and burned them. I think this is the true story. But the history you heard about Hitler has omitted many details. As a result I think the western culture did not really learn the lesson of Nazis. And Trump is able to use lies after lies to fool over 70 million Americans as his followers. I regained my confidence in US democracy. Because more Americans can see the lies.
But Americans have to learn the conflict between US and China is cultural not CCP. Use government to govern a nation is Chinese culture not communism.
It's the part you where you continuously spout Trump's lies and propaganda that makes you sound like a Trumper -- as well as the fact that you are blind to human rights abuses in the U.S. but are outraged at the supposed abuses that right wing media spouts on a regular basis about China. It makes it sound like you are only concerned about human rights abuse the same as Trump is concerned about national security -- meaning 'not at all -- except as a convenient excuse' to pursue your agenda of hate.
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Did you fail to mention that the West gave ample time for China to adapt itself to the global rules of order, and you don't need to guess what happened in 2015?
That's when Xi Jinping became head of the CCP and subsequently, became President for Life of the PRC. That sounds suspiciously less about Chinese culture than it does about a rapid turn to a dictatorship. The militarization that has followed is the issue.
The reason that the West has such an interest in the South China Sea, is that some 70% of the world's trade travels through there, and it is Western Navies that have maintained the Freedom of Navigation through the South China Sea for going on seven decades. Now China, against the rulings of the UN, is militarizing that Sea, and at the same time interfering with the rights of other countries.
You had to go and butcher the history of the Holocaust with massive falsehoods. Typical of the United Front Work Department.
Maybe you should mention that Mao was directly responsible for the deaths of 30 million of his own people, which dwarfs what Hitler did in the Holocaust.
Use some common sense with a reasonable mind then you can see the falsehood of US propaganda. 70% of the world's trade travels through South China Sea. Which nation makes the largest part of the trade? China! Why would a nation that depends on such large trade wants to cause conflicts? If China stopped the peaceful trade through South China Sea, why would any other nation want to continue trade with China? This is completely out of sense. Unfortunately you could not use this simple logic to think clearly.
By the way, what are global rules of order?
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/10/world-war-ii-the-holocaust/100170/
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/introduction-to-the-holocaust
Got it.
"Throughout the Middle Ages in Europe, Jews were subjected to antisemitism based on Christian theology, which blamed them for killing Jesus. Even after the Reformation, Catholicism and Lutheranism continued to persecute Jews, accusing them of blood libels and subjecting them to pogroms and expulsions.[61] The second half of the 19th century saw the emergence in the German empire and Austria-Hungary of the völkisch movement, developed by such thinkers as Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Paul de Lagarde. The movement embraced a pseudo-scientific racism that viewed Jews as a race whose members were locked in mortal combat with the Aryan race for world domination."
"After World War I (1914–1918), many Germans did not accept that their country had been defeated, which gave birth to the stab-in-the-back myth. This insinuated that it was disloyal politicians, chiefly Jews and communists, who had orchestrated Germany's surrender. Inflaming the anti-Jewish sentiment was the apparent over-representation of Jews in the leadership of communist revolutionary governments in Europe, such as Ernst Toller, head of a short-lived revolutionary government in Bavaria. This perception contributed to the canard of Jewish Bolshevism.[65]"
"Early antisemites in the Nazi Party included Dietrich Eckart, publisher of the Völkischer Beobachter, the party's newspaper, and Alfred Rosenberg, who wrote antisemitic articles for it in the 1920s. Rosenberg's vision of a secretive Jewish conspiracy ruling the world would influence Hitler's views of Jews by making them the driving force behind communism.[66] Central to Hitler's world view was the idea of expansion and Lebensraum (living space) in Eastern Europe for German Aryans, a policy of what Doris Bergen called "race and space". Open about his hatred of Jews, he subscribed to common antisemitic stereotypes.[67] From the early 1920s onwards, he compared the Jews to germs and said they should be dealt with in the same way. He viewed Marxism as a Jewish doctrine, said he was fighting against "Jewish Marxism", and believed that Jews had created communism as part of a conspiracy to destroy Germany.[68]"
Isn't this very similar to Trump rhetoric against Biden?