Next, but when? Hope they rollout 32” iMac before Xmas. No big production needed, just a press release would be fine.
I don't understand why they didn't just release an M1 32" iMac with the 24" - would be MORE than enough for most people. My mom's iMac is starting to get finicky; it would be really nice to replace it with a newer one. Hopefully they aren't running into issues sourcing the screens with all the ongoing supply chain BS.
At the VERY LEAST they need to add some M1 Pro and M1 Max options to the existing 24" lineup.
No! The added ports are very nice for the iMac. But the iMac needs a redesign to accommodate them.
I just know that if Steve Jobs was alive now, he would be appalled by the new laptops. He would never allow that to happen. He would definitely demand that only USB4 be used and nothing else to be more consistent with simplicity.
Who gives a shit if Steve were here. He's not so get over it. He hasn't been here for over 10yrs now. And you don't know what Steve would do. This is an entire absolute BS comment and it gets really tiring of people like you who just sit here and think what would Steve think or do like it really matters.
I’m very impressed with these new MacBooks. I think they represent a good compromise between bleeding edge technology (M1 Pro/Max, TB4, gobs of unified memory, mini LED backlighting) and pragmatic concerns (HDMI, 3.5 mm audio, excess ports, MagSafe).
Unlike some Apple products that require users to trust that Apple made the right choice to move their customers to new ground, these new MacBooks aren’t asking us to take a leap of faith, or a leap of faith coupled with a box of dongles. Yeah, no USB-A ports, but those left the building a couple of years ago anyway.
My only ask at this point is that Apple find a way to get all of this M1 Pro/Max and bountiful bevy of port goodness stuffed into a Mac mini case.
Glad the ports many here declared "legacy" are back. Are they still "legacy" now?
Apple doesn't use "legacy" ports ever. So, they are the "future" from now onwards .
Did you notice how they said they were bringing HDMI and the SD card reader to the MacBook Pro. No mention of restoring them or bringing them back, just pretend like they were never there previously
Interesting conspiracy theory but with the TouchBar the person specifically said “replacing the TouchBar”, so it invalidates the suggestion that they’re trying to rewrite history.
They were talking specifically about the HDMI and SD card which Apple took away for no reason at all. Now, because Apple realized they screwed up because EVERYONE wanted and actually used those ports, they added them back.
This and other things with other products is the massive pull back from the JI time.
This was as good or better than expected, at least in terms of the chips and laptops. The chips are what we hoped for, as far as I can see (and even a bit better maybe). The laptops had about everything fixed, except maybe the notch.
But, I've got a Logitech webcam on my display and the 'mount' kind of creates a notch which exactly covers a center space on the menu bar, pretty much just like the new MBP. While I wish it wasn't there, it probably won't be as much of an issue as it is on the iPhone most of the time... and most of us get used to it there.
It's actually a big let down in terms of laptop design. Why are we bringing back HDMI when USB4 provides the same technology? I am ok with the SD slot but not ok with Magsafe and the HDMI port. They add more ugliness and waste to the laptop. They even said you can charge with USB-C so what's the point of MagSafe? I am glad they got rid of Touch Bar and the keyboard looks more functional and more comfortable.
Yeah, I'm glad they ditched the Touch Bar. But, Marco Arment put it well a few weeks back. When a sizable amount of your user base needs a dongle, you removed the wrong ports (rough paraphrase). A LOT of MBP users use HDMI in the corporate world. And, MagSafe is an elegant way of connecting power, both for safety but just ease of use. While USB-C works, it's kind of kludgy mechanically. I'm really glad it is back, but the best thing is you get to use your choice.
Marco also made another really important point... why would anyone complain about having extra ports they don't use? I've had many computers over the years that had ports I personally didn't use. I never went, 'darn, I really wish that port wasn't there.' I (like Marco) just don't get that attitude, especially when there is plenty of room or tradeoffs aren't being made by having the ports (like they argued for the phones).
Holy crap these first commenters are negative! 😆😆 Did you guys even watch what they just announced?! These laptops whipe the floor with every notebook ever made.
No doubt! I think I saw some laptop the other day on a YouTube video that had (if memory serves) an Nvidia 3090. So, I'm guessing that means this thing M1 Max is roughly the power of a Nvidia 3080, but at WAY less power draw. And, the CPU aspect is probably not even close, the M1 Pro/Max is going to blow them away. Then there is all that other stuff that may or may not be useful, but if it is, again will blow away everything else.
But, as I've mentioned in other threads... the issue still comes down to software. If I'm running Autodesk Revit, or want to play Planetside 2, etc. it doesn't really matter if my new Apple wipes the floor in benchmarks or other software I don't need to run. That is the big upcoming challenge for these things.
I was hoping for an iMac, but not expecting it. Looks like I'll have to wait until spring, no big deal. I hope that with the wait we at least get a couple cool color options, like a deep purple or maroon like color. The M Pro and Max chips look pretty incredible, can't wait to see them in an iMac!
BTW, I was watching the presentation with my AirPod pros and the spacial audio effect they were using was very cool!
Yeah, similar here. I was hoping for the mini Pro or something like that (or the iMac if they'd have a video input, which is a long shot!). I assume those will be coming along soon enough (later this year, or early next). They are probably just lower priority and didn't quite make it or something like that. It should be a relatively easy thing to do seeing how these configurations work. I'd imaging you'll just just be able to buy the M1 Pro/Max version of those machines too. Exciting!
I still really want to know if there will be any possibility of eGPU (either Apple or 3rd party) using those TB4 ports.
(Now, if someone could just write a Metal crypto miner, Apple wouldn't be able to keep them in stock, heh.)
re: spatial audio - hmm, I did, but didn't notice anything. Maybe I was just way too disinterested in that part of the presentation. The first 10 minutes actually scared me a bit (filler content)... good one Apple, they had me going!
I’m very impressed with these new MacBooks. I think they represent a good compromise between bleeding edge technology (M1 Pro/Max, TB4, gobs of unified memory, mini LED backlighting) and pragmatic concerns (HDMI, 3.5 mm audio, excess ports, MagSafe).
Unlike some Apple products that require users to trust that Apple made the right choice to move their customers to new ground, these new MacBooks aren’t asking us to take a leap of faith, or a leap of faith coupled with a box of dongles. Yeah, no USB-A ports, but those left the building a couple of years ago anyway.
My only ask at this point is that Apple find a way to get all of this M1 Pro/Max and bountiful bevy of port goodness stuffed into a Mac mini case.
Exactly! I'm actually just a tinge torn, as this is FINALLY the laptop I've always wanted from Apple, after I've turned back to the desktop route. But, I need to have patience, as it would seem pretty certain we'll be able to pick up one of these with these same chips relatively soon.
I just really hope they've been listening on the mini as well, such that if they do shrink it even more, that they don't go too far. And/or that they've heard the cries for a more mid-level prosumer box, and we'll be able to get these chips (M1 Max, 64GB RAM, 32 GPU cores) in a case that has ports and can keep its cool.
I just know that if Steve Jobs was alive now, he would be appalled by the new laptops. He would never allow that to happen. He would definitely demand that only USB4 be used and nothing else to be more consistent with simplicity.
One of the easiest things in the world is to put words in a dead guy's mouth.
Next, but when? Hope they rollout 32” iMac before Xmas. No big production needed, just a press release would be fine.
I don't understand why they didn't just release an M1 32" iMac with the 24" - would be MORE than enough for most people. My mom's iMac is starting to get finicky; it would be really nice to replace it with a newer one. Hopefully they aren't running into issues sourcing the screens with all the ongoing supply chain BS.
At the VERY LEAST they need to add some M1 Pro and M1 Max options to the existing 24" lineup.
No! The added ports are very nice for the iMac. But the iMac needs a redesign to accommodate them.
Huh? They aren't talking about ports. And the 24" iMac just got a redesign.
Next, but when? Hope they rollout 32” iMac before Xmas. No big production needed, just a press release would be fine.
I don't understand why they didn't just release an M1 32" iMac with the 24" - would be MORE than enough for most people. My mom's iMac is starting to get finicky; it would be really nice to replace it with a newer one. Hopefully they aren't running into issues sourcing the screens with all the ongoing supply chain BS.
At the VERY LEAST they need to add some M1 Pro and M1 Max options to the existing 24" lineup.
No! The added ports are very nice for the iMac. But the iMac needs a redesign to accommodate them.
Huh? They aren't talking about ports. And the 24" iMac just got a redesign.
I think Waveparticle was referring to the thickness of the 24" iMac not allowing deeper ports like HDMI/SD/Ethernet (which is in the power brick - not a great design IMO). SD could go on the side though which would be massively more sensible than on the back where you have to fumble around every time you want to transfer some photos.
Glad the ports many here declared "legacy" are back. Are they still "legacy" now?
Yes, I’d rather have an extra Thunderbolt port instead of a HDMI & an SD Card slot.
You need 4 thunderbolt ports and can't daisychain anything? Wow you must be in a tiny minority of minorities. Happily though for a much bigger proportion of MBP users who don't need 4 TB ports and instead need to plug in their SD card and a HDMI display, Apple delivered. You've swapped places with the bigger proportion of users who needed to carry a dongle or two with them everywhere. So as you no doubt told those who lamented the removal of SD and HDMI, you'll have to put up with it as you're the one with a minority use case - not them.
Next, but when? Hope they rollout 32” iMac before Xmas. No big production needed, just a press release would be fine.
I don't understand why they didn't just release an M1 32" iMac with the 24" - would be MORE than enough for most people. My mom's iMac is starting to get finicky; it would be really nice to replace it with a newer one. Hopefully they aren't running into issues sourcing the screens with all the ongoing supply chain BS.
At the VERY LEAST they need to add some M1 Pro and M1 Max options to the existing 24" lineup.
No! The added ports are very nice for the iMac. But the iMac needs a redesign to accommodate them.
Huh? They aren't talking about ports. And the 24" iMac just got a redesign.
I think Waveparticle was referring to the thickness of the 24" iMac not allowing deeper ports like HDMI/SD/Ethernet (which is in the power brick - not a great design IMO). SD could go on the side though which would be massively more sensible than on the back where you have to fumble around every time you want to transfer some photos.
But the OP was talking about the chips, not the ports. You can add a M1 Pro or Max to the iMac without changing the ports at all, and I expect that's what the OP meant.
Wondering what their chip design will be for the Apple Silicon Mac Pro? Maybe another M series but with specific features that allow discrete (multiple) graphics cards and a lot more cores. And will that Mac Pro be this year or next year?
I forgot exactly where the source information came from, but Jon Siracusa of Ars Technica made a copy of the M1 schematics from the initial roll-out, and then supplemented it with "everything we know" about rumors of "Jade C" and "Jade 2C" chips. The first image is the M1, and the second row is the M1 Pro and M1 Max; the rumors were largely correct (although I'm not sure if the faster memory bus was predicted).
Anyway, the best guesses as to what the Mac Pro M1 will be like are in the rest of this image. The real fun is, what will they call them? M1 Uber and M1 Thunderfucker?
Absolutely zero chance of a Mac Pro this year. They couldn't even squeeze in the (far-more-important) iMac!
Next, but when? Hope they rollout 32” iMac before Xmas. No big production needed, just a press release would be fine.
I don't understand why they didn't just release an M1 32" iMac with the 24" - would be MORE than enough for most people. My mom's iMac is starting to get finicky; it would be really nice to replace it with a newer one. Hopefully they aren't running into issues sourcing the screens with all the ongoing supply chain BS.
At the VERY LEAST they need to add some M1 Pro and M1 Max options to the existing 24" lineup.
No, they don’t. Those are like the older 21.5” models. They’re less expensive, and intended for those who don’t need, don’t want to spend for the extra speed and power. Mixing it up would just add confusion.
I just know that if Steve Jobs was alive now, he would be appalled by the new laptops. He would never allow that to happen. He would definitely demand that only USB4 be used and nothing else to be more consistent with simplicity.
One of the easiest things in the world is to put words in a dead guy's mouth.
I think Jobs was kind of a minimalist, but more a practical one than an ideological one. What Apple went through, and hopefully is recovering from, is the latter.
elijahg said: I think Waveparticle was referring to the thickness of the 24" iMac not allowing deeper ports like HDMI/SD/Ethernet (which is in the power brick - not a great design IMO). SD could go on the side though which would be massively more sensible than on the back where you have to fumble around every time you want to transfer some photos.
Yeah, they've kind of created a very unnecessary situation for themselves. Agreed on the port in the power brick, though it kind of works out fairly well for Ethernet. It wouldn't be great for the other ports.
elijahg said: You need 4 thunderbolt ports and can't daisychain anything? Wow you must be in a tiny minority of minorities. Happily though for a much bigger proportion of MBP users who don't need 4 TB ports and instead need to plug in their SD card and a HDMI display, Apple delivered. You've swapped places with the bigger proportion of users who needed to carry a dongle or two with them everywhere. So as you no doubt told those who lamented the removal of SD and HDMI, you'll have to put up with it as you're the one with a minority use case - not them.
Yeah, isn't the whole point of the dongle/dock crowd that carrying such things isn't a big deal? Just pack a dock in your backpack, and you only need 1 port.
The only flaw is not having a USB-A, as that would often be useful for a true mobile user. Fortunately, the dongles for those are pretty small and generally work well. (Unlike HDMI, Ethernet, etc.)
Oh, nice! So it comes apart, which makes it easier to store/pack (as well as more versatile).
Eric_WVGG said: Absolutely zero chance of a Mac Pro this year. They couldn't even squeeze in the (far-more-important) iMac!
Agreed. I think we're talking maybe early next year for new mini / iMac, and then WWDC at the very earliest for new Mac Pro (probably shipping later in the year).
Only complaint is I was really hoping for new color ways, specifically Midnight. I think the theory that these colors were baked in like 6 months ago is probably correct, so for now it’s still gray or grayer.
Agree - I would have loved an orange one, but I wasn't holding my breath. Maybe when they refresh the Macbook Air next time?
Air is rumored to get colors; I'd expect something along the lines of the iMac 24"
I thought that creating their own silicon would improve product performance AND drive prices down. At least, the M1 was touted as costing much less than the intel chips previously powering macs. I had expected cheaper prices.
These are by no means cheap chips. As Anandtech just said about these new chips;”Apple invested in silicon.” Meaning that these are large, and expensive. There is no other way to do what these do on chip.
frankly, it surprised me. I was thinking they would put a large GPU array on the substrate as they did with RAM so that they wouldn’t have to make such gigantic chips.
The notch has been there all along, you just couldn’t see it until they added screen to the blacked out bezel around it. 😉
That’s exactly what I was going to say. They didn’t lower the notch into their standard screen ratio, they raised the screen around it, giving a greater height to length, giving us more screen.
I just know that if Steve Jobs was alive now, he would be appalled by the new laptops. He would never allow that to happen. He would definitely demand that only USB4 be used and nothing else to be more consistent with simplicity.
Who gives a shit if Steve were here. He's not so get over it. He hasn't been here for over 10yrs now. And you don't know what Steve would do. This is an entire absolute BS comment and it gets really tiring of people like you who just sit here and think what would Steve think or do like it really matters.
Additionally, Cook told us years ago that when h, Steve, appointed him as CEO, not to do what he, Steve, would have done, but to do what he, Cook, thought he should do. It’s worked out pretty well so far. The growth and financial resources Apple has, has enabled them to think ahead in ways they never could before.
I do expect a few people to be outliers and not appreciate it.
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But, I've got a Logitech webcam on my display and the 'mount' kind of creates a notch which exactly covers a center space on the menu bar, pretty much just like the new MBP. While I wish it wasn't there, it probably won't be as much of an issue as it is on the iPhone most of the time... and most of us get used to it there.
Yeah, I'm glad they ditched the Touch Bar. But, Marco Arment put it well a few weeks back. When a sizable amount of your user base needs a dongle, you removed the wrong ports (rough paraphrase). A LOT of MBP users use HDMI in the corporate world. And, MagSafe is an elegant way of connecting power, both for safety but just ease of use. While USB-C works, it's kind of kludgy mechanically. I'm really glad it is back, but the best thing is you get to use your choice.
Marco also made another really important point... why would anyone complain about having extra ports they don't use? I've had many computers over the years that had ports I personally didn't use. I never went, 'darn, I really wish that port wasn't there.' I (like Marco) just don't get that attitude, especially when there is plenty of room or tradeoffs aren't being made by having the ports (like they argued for the phones).
No doubt! I think I saw some laptop the other day on a YouTube video that had (if memory serves) an Nvidia 3090. So, I'm guessing that means this thing M1 Max is roughly the power of a Nvidia 3080, but at WAY less power draw. And, the CPU aspect is probably not even close, the M1 Pro/Max is going to blow them away. Then there is all that other stuff that may or may not be useful, but if it is, again will blow away everything else.
But, as I've mentioned in other threads... the issue still comes down to software. If I'm running Autodesk Revit, or want to play Planetside 2, etc. it doesn't really matter if my new Apple wipes the floor in benchmarks or other software I don't need to run. That is the big upcoming challenge for these things.
I still really want to know if there will be any possibility of eGPU (either Apple or 3rd party) using those TB4 ports.
(Now, if someone could just write a Metal crypto miner, Apple wouldn't be able to keep them in stock, heh.)
re: spatial audio - hmm, I did, but didn't notice anything. Maybe I was just way too disinterested in that part of the presentation. The first 10 minutes actually scared me a bit (filler content)... good one Apple, they had me going!
I just really hope they've been listening on the mini as well, such that if they do shrink it even more, that they don't go too far. And/or that they've heard the cries for a more mid-level prosumer box, and we'll be able to get these chips (M1 Max, 64GB RAM, 32 GPU cores) in a case that has ports and can keep its cool.
Confirmed, the charge block has a USB-C port on it. So the cable is MagSafe on one end and USB-C on the other. And they're also selling the cable separately. That's a nice move Apple.
Anyway, the best guesses as to what the Mac Pro M1 will be like are in the rest of this image. The real fun is, what will they call them? M1 Uber and M1 Thunderfucker?
Absolutely zero chance of a Mac Pro this year. They couldn't even squeeze in the (far-more-important) iMac!
Yeah, they've kind of created a very unnecessary situation for themselves. Agreed on the port in the power brick, though it kind of works out fairly well for Ethernet. It wouldn't be great for the other ports.
Yeah, isn't the whole point of the dongle/dock crowd that carrying such things isn't a big deal? Just pack a dock in your backpack, and you only need 1 port.
The only flaw is not having a USB-A, as that would often be useful for a true mobile user. Fortunately, the dongles for those are pretty small and generally work well. (Unlike HDMI, Ethernet, etc.)
Oh, nice! So it comes apart, which makes it easier to store/pack (as well as more versatile).
Agreed. I think we're talking maybe early next year for new mini / iMac, and then WWDC at the very earliest for new Mac Pro (probably shipping later in the year).
frankly, it surprised me. I was thinking they would put a large GPU array on the substrate as they did with RAM so that they wouldn’t have to make such gigantic chips.
I do expect a few people to be outliers and not appreciate it.